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Lightskin

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2 Corinthians 2:10-11
[10] To whom ye forgive any thing, I forgive also: for if I forgave any thing, to whom I forgave it, for your sakes forgave I it in the person of Christ; [11] Lest Satan should get an advantage of us: for we are not ignorant of his devices.
Holding on to your salvation.
Giving too much thought to the enemy.
We are indeed very different.
 

Lightskin

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Satan has not been cast into the lake of fire yet.

Just sayin’.
Perhaps what happened to Job could happen again but I seriously doubt anyone empowered and protected by the Holy Spirit would be vulnerable to enemy attack.
 
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Perhaps what happened to Job could happen again but I seriously doubt anyone empowered and protected by the Holy Spirit would be vulnerable to enemy attack.
2 Corinthians 12:7-9
[7] And lest I should be exalted above measure through the abundance of the revelations, there was given to me a thorn in the flesh, the messenger of Satan to buffet me, lest I should be exalted above measure. [8] For this thing I besought the Lord thrice, that it might depart from me. [9] And he said unto me, My grace is sufficient for thee: for my strength is made perfect in weakness. Most gladly therefore will I rather glory in my infirmities, that the power of Christ may rest upon me.
 

Lightskin

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2 Corinthians 12:7-9
[7] And lest I should be exalted above measure through the abundance of the revelations, there was given to me a thorn in the flesh, the messenger of Satan to buffet me, lest I should be exalted above measure. [8] For this thing I besought the Lord thrice, that it might depart from me. [9] And he said unto me, My grace is sufficient for thee: for my strength is made perfect in weakness. Most gladly therefore will I rather glory in my infirmities, that the power of Christ may rest upon me.
You’re comparing a leg ailment to the mind numbing cataclysmic events endured by Job? Come on man.
 

Blain

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You’re comparing a leg ailment to the mind numbing cataclysmic events endured by Job? Come on man.
I am not sure the thorn at pauls side is the best way to provide evidence of the enemy but whether it is a physical or spiritual attack he doesn't need to do anything directly. Now ehether he is still locked up for a thousand years or not he usually tends to copy God. God more than anything uses his followers rather than direct action and in the same way the enemy uses his followers minions and demons to do the same.

in the same way that God indirectly works on this earth so does the devil but pysical, spiritual mental emotional there is all kinds of ways he attacks even and especially those with the holy spirit. There is truth to the train of thought that if the enemy is attacking you must be doing something right
 

Lightskin

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I am not sure the thorn at pauls side is the best way to provide evidence of the enemy but whether it is a physical or spiritual attack he doesn't need to do anything directly. Now ehether he is still locked up for a thousand years or not he usually tends to copy God. God more than anything uses his followers rather than direct action and in the same way the enemy uses his followers minions and demons to do the same.

in the same way that God indirectly works on this earth so does the devil but pysical, spiritual mental emotional there is all kinds of ways he attacks even and especially those with the holy spirit. There is truth to the train of thought that if the enemy is attacking you must be doing something right
I praise God I’m protected.
 

ForestGreenCook

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So we already have disagreement on the finished work of Christ. You are claiming that Christ died only for the elect, even though the Bible is emphatic that Christ died for the sins of the whole world. At the same time, only those who obey the Gospel are saved by grace, through faith in Christ and His finished work of redemption.

Therefore chances are that we will not find any common ground.
Read 1 Cor 2:14 and tell me how a person who has not been born again, with the indwelling of the Holy Spirit, and cannot discern the things of the Spirit, even thinking them to be foolishness, can obey the spiritual gospel? It further says, "neither can he know them, because they (the gospels) are spiritually discerned.

John 3:16 and other scriptures pertaining to God loving the whole world, is referencing the world of believers only.

Why would Jesus say that he prays not for the world (John 17:9) that God so loved? Jesus tells us also to not love the world (1 John 2:15). Why would he tell us not to love a world that he loves?

God tells us that "as many as he loves, he rebukes and chastens" (Rev 3:19). You claim that God loves the whole world of mankind, if so, then it stands to reason that, in your interpreting of things, that God rebukes and chastens the whole world of mankind.

Have you read Psalms 73? Where David was envious at the foolish, when he saw the prosperity of "the wicked" (a part of mankind). David says in verse 5, "They are not in trouble as other men; neither are they [PLAGUED] (Greek interpretation=divinely punished) CHASTENED.
like other men.

How does Psalms 73:5 harmonize with Rev 3:19?
 

ForestGreenCook

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So we already have disagreement on the finished work of Christ. You are claiming that Christ died only for the elect, even though the Bible is emphatic that Christ died for the sins of the whole world. At the same time, only those who obey the Gospel are saved by grace, through faith in Christ and His finished work of redemption.

Therefore chances are that we will not find any common ground.
As I stated in my first sentence, that the majority of the religious world at the time of Jesus's presence on earth, as a man, did not find any common ground with his doctrine, and it is no different in this day and time.
 

Blain

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I praise God I’m protected.
Yes we are protected but we are also told to put on the full armor of God for a reason. We may have the holy spirit and may have his protection but doesn't mean the enemy is unable to attack us. He loves to use more than anything the mental attack, doubt fear worry stress anxiety sadness depression anger impatience all these things are basically the main way he attacks and we all deal with this to a degree and some more than others. My depression issues make it where I always have to have my armor on filling myself with his love peace grace patience and all the fruits of the spirit because if I let my guard down the attacks come and believe me they can be strong.

He loves this tactic for two reasons the first being it is the most effective and the second is because it is an attack from the flesh. Our minds naturally produce these things and so it is easy to use and to break using things that naturally occur from the flesh now think of all the fruits of the spirit and what the mind produces in opposite of those.
 
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I praise God I’m protected.
Amen!

But let us watch how we conduct ourselves.

Psalm 39:10-11
[10] Remove thy stroke away from me: I am consumed by the blow of thine hand. [11] When thou with rebukes dost correct man for iniquity, thou makest his beauty to consume away like a moth: surely every man is vanity. Selah.