THE LIE IN LORDSHIP SALVATION THEORY

In order to be saved, you have changed your mind by lowering the bar of what lordship requires in mathew 5:48 to suit your degree of sinfulness. Your concept of lordship is "diluted" & subjective and not according to mathew 5:48!!

MacArthur states:

"Submission to the will of God, to Christ’s lordship, and to the guiding of the Spirit is an essential, not an optional, part of saving faith" (EPHESIANS, p. 249).

The faith of lordship Salvationists is false faith because it is faith+works rather than "faith alone" in Christ's atonement. So their works which follow their false faith is also false!!

So, one doesn’t have to submit to the will of God to be saved? Christ doesn’t have to be their Lord in order to be saved. One doesn’t have to be guided by the Holy Spirit in order to be saved?

Bruh, you’re holding to Free Grace Theology where a person can live as they want, and since they “prayed the prayer”, they’re still saved. You’re promoting a life a lasciviousness. Congrats!

That is not free grace theology .. just like how people do not like to be misrepresented as "Calvinists" same holds true the other way.

No person believing the biblical doctrine of so-called LS believes “Salvation…comes from a life lived in obedience…”

That and nowhere on page 93 did MacArthur make your above “quote.” See for yourselves:

https://books.google.com/books?id=NcLwhTDBICgC&pg=PP3&source=kp_read_button

Looks like your boy Thomas M. Cucuzza did a little embellishing and conflating of MacArthur's words, which is slander. His statement in his book “Secure Forever” is not what MacArthur said in his opening statement of chapter 6:


https://books.google.com/books?id=Q6gqpxrthw4C&pg=PA92&lpg=PA92&dq=It+comes+from+a+life+lived+in+obedience+and+service+to+Christ&source=bl&ots=r9VMVVKTJZ&sig=ACfU3U25zxYEhOjd74KSQeNCKnbZRsqMHg&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwihlK-o7cTpAhUQVc0KHXEoAioQ6AEwAHoECAYQAQ#v=onepage&q=It comes from a life lived in obedience and service to Christ&f=false

I just wanted everyone to see the embellished lie on MacArthur and be reminded not to believe anything and everything a person quotes. MacArthur has been both misrepresented and slandered. Our friend posting this has been mislead about LS as I stated all along. Be wise; Proverbs 14:15.

Now @Sudakar has the opportunity to accept or reject refutation and correction.

What he’s averring is my understanding of FGT.

No person believing the biblical doctrine of so-called LS believes “Salvation…comes from a life lived in obedience…”

That and nowhere on page 93 did MacArthur make your above “quote.” See for yourselves:

https://books.google.com/books?id=NcLwhTDBICgC&pg=PP3&source=kp_read_button

Looks like your boy Thomas M. Cucuzza did a little embellishing and conflating of MacArthur's words, which is slander. His statement in his book “Secure Forever” is not what MacArthur said in his opening statement of chapter 6:


https://books.google.com/books?id=Q6gqpxrthw4C&pg=PA92&lpg=PA92&dq=It+comes+from+a+life+lived+in+obedience+and+service+to+Christ&source=bl&ots=r9VMVVKTJZ&sig=ACfU3U25zxYEhOjd74KSQeNCKnbZRsqMHg&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwihlK-o7cTpAhUQVc0KHXEoAioQ6AEwAHoECAYQAQ#v=onepage&q=It comes from a life lived in obedience and service to Christ&f=false

I just wanted everyone to see the embellished lie on MacArthur and be reminded not to believe anything and everything a person quotes. MacArthur has been both misrepresented and slandered. Our friend posting this has been mislead about LS as I stated all along. Be wise; Proverbs 14:15.

Now @Sudakar has the opportunity to accept or reject refutation and correction.

“Don’t believe anyone who says it’s easy to become a Christian. Salvation for sinners cost God His own Son; it cost God’s Son His life, and it’ll cost you the same thing. Salvation isn’t the result of an intellectual exercise. It comes from a life lived in obedience and service to Christ as revealed in the Scripture; it’s the fruit of actions, not intentions. There’s no room for passive spectators: words without actions are empty and futile. Remember that what John saw in his vision of judgment was a Book of Life, not a Book of Words or Book of Intellectual Musings. The life we live, not the words we speak, determines our eternal destiny.”
― John F. MacArthur Jr., Hard to Believe: The High Cost and Infinite Value of Following Jesus

I cannot see page 93.. it is not available?

From Good Reads..

.https://www.goodreads.com/work/quot...gh-cost-and-infinite-value-of-following-jesus

From Good Reads..

.https://www.goodreads.com/work/quot...gh-cost-and-infinite-value-of-following-jesus

That's not what the book says in Chapter 6.

MacArthur’s teaching and that they are nothing less than works-righteousness. It appears that there were some changes made in the text by the editors of the publishing house that were not sent to MacArthur for affirmation. Therefore the books went to press with statements that are quite disturbing. They plan to make changes if there is a second printing of the book.”

What chapter is that quote found in?

What chapter is that quote found in?

I really think unless someone has the book it cannot be verified and there are two printings of the book.

For me Chapter 6 is no longer clickable...

I did learn about this so maybe this explains it....



https://www.challies.com/general-news/john-macarthurs-hard-to-believe-and-lordship-salvation/

You can't read it? The link I gave starts you at the beginning of the book, scroll down to the chapters page. I can still click chapter 6, and it doesn't say what others state.

I cannot see page 93.. it is not available?