Prophecy, it’s not what most think.
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I agree that it is "future" (I did mention that *I* do not agree with the "Historicist" viewpoint... I'm merely pointing out that some Historicists, who would reject the "Preterist" viewpoint, nevertheless see the fulfillment of Matt24 as SPANNING some 2000 yrs. [I do not.] And one of the REASONS WHY they see it this way, is because they do not DISTINGUISH between the TWO DISTINCT "SEE-then-FLEE" instances which are told about in the Olivet Discourse... one in the 70ad events, the other *far-future* [even "future" to "our Rapture"])
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NO sir, the word Preterist is one who holds to all the prophecies of the End time is fulfilled. Not part of it, not smidgin. They hold all being fulfilled. And it is not true those who believe in any part as fulfilled are partly Preterist.
I believe the all Prophecies have a Forth telling and foretelling IF the context of the whole Bible is seen only in that writing .
Matthew 24 has Parallel Scriptures in the Old Testament and New. Your opinion as to what you say I am is wrong.
Facts change Truth does not. Truth is higher form than a fact.
I believe the all Prophecies have a Forth telling and foretelling IF the context of the whole Bible is seen only in that writing .
Matthew 24 has Parallel Scriptures in the Old Testament and New. Your opinion as to what you say I am is wrong.
Facts change Truth does not. Truth is higher form than a fact.
I don't see anything about the false sign as a wonder .70 AD ? What chapter and verse?
When the veil was rent it showed the abomination of desolation was made desolate. That was not 70 AD. The law of reformation was set in stone long before that. That period of time used as a parable to help us learn what it means to walk by faith caused a gospel explosion's. We are still feeling the affect. Some are still criying out to lifeless stones . Even though they understand human are the temple made with the hands or will of God not the hands of corrupted mankind.
Why would any one ever desire a temple like the pagan kingdoms of this world?? Eye candy? Jesus shook it, dust off his feet when he walk out declaring prophesying their house as a abomination of desolation was made void as the place where our father in heaven sits.
The reformation came. The time of tribulation began and continues to this day .One like never before or ever again .
Satan no longer has any power to deceive all the nations using Jewish flesh as a wolf in sheep's clothing. . There was no sign of a few rock falling off by some Roman solder in 70 AD.
Jesus said "it is finished" and that is exactly what he meant. The End of the one time "demonstration" of a work of two performed before the foundation of the world.
When the veil was rent it showed the abomination of desolation was made desolate. That was not 70 AD. The law of reformation was set in stone long before that. That period of time used as a parable to help us learn what it means to walk by faith caused a gospel explosion's. We are still feeling the affect. Some are still criying out to lifeless stones . Even though they understand human are the temple made with the hands or will of God not the hands of corrupted mankind.
Why would any one ever desire a temple like the pagan kingdoms of this world?? Eye candy? Jesus shook it, dust off his feet when he walk out declaring prophesying their house as a abomination of desolation was made void as the place where our father in heaven sits.
The reformation came. The time of tribulation began and continues to this day .One like never before or ever again .
Satan no longer has any power to deceive all the nations using Jewish flesh as a wolf in sheep's clothing. . There was no sign of a few rock falling off by some Roman solder in 70 AD.
Jesus said "it is finished" and that is exactly what he meant. The End of the one time "demonstration" of a work of two performed before the foundation of the world.
Wikipedia: Preterism
In the preterist view, the Tribulation took place in the past when Roman legions destroyed Jerusalem and its temple in AD 70 during the end stages of the First Jewish–Roman War, and it affected only the Jewish people rather than all mankind.
Christian preterists believe that the Tribulation was a divine judgment visited upon the Jews for their sins, including rejection of Jesus as the promised Messiah. It occurred entirely in the past, around 70 AD when the armed forces of the Roman Empire destroyed Jerusalem and its temple.
A preterist discussion of the Tribulation has its focus on the Gospels, in particular the prophetic passages in Matthew 24, Mark 13 and Luke 21, the Olivet discourse, rather than on the Apocalypse or Book of Revelation. (Preterists apply much of the symbolism in the Revelation to Rome, the Cæsars, and their persecution of Christians, rather than to the Tribulation upon the Jews.)
Jesus' warning in Matthew 24:34 that "this generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled" is tied back to his similar warning to the Scribes and the Pharisees that their judgment would "come upon this generation" (Matthew 23:36), that is, during the first century rather than at a future time long after the Scribes and Pharisees had passed from the scene. The destruction in 70 AD occurred within a 40-year generation from the time when Jesus gave that discourse.
The judgment on the Jewish nation was executed by the Roman legions, "the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet" (Matthew 24:15). This can also be found in Luke (Luke 21:20).
Since Matthew 24 begins with Jesus visiting the Jerusalem Temple and pronouncing that "there shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down" (vs. 3), preterists see nothing in Scripture to indicate that another Jewish temple will ever be built. The prophecies were all fulfilled on the then-existing temple that Jesus spoke about and that was subsequently destroyed within that generation.
In the preterist view, the Tribulation took place in the past when Roman legions destroyed Jerusalem and its temple in AD 70 during the end stages of the First Jewish–Roman War, and it affected only the Jewish people rather than all mankind.
Christian preterists believe that the Tribulation was a divine judgment visited upon the Jews for their sins, including rejection of Jesus as the promised Messiah. It occurred entirely in the past, around 70 AD when the armed forces of the Roman Empire destroyed Jerusalem and its temple.
A preterist discussion of the Tribulation has its focus on the Gospels, in particular the prophetic passages in Matthew 24, Mark 13 and Luke 21, the Olivet discourse, rather than on the Apocalypse or Book of Revelation. (Preterists apply much of the symbolism in the Revelation to Rome, the Cæsars, and their persecution of Christians, rather than to the Tribulation upon the Jews.)
Jesus' warning in Matthew 24:34 that "this generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled" is tied back to his similar warning to the Scribes and the Pharisees that their judgment would "come upon this generation" (Matthew 23:36), that is, during the first century rather than at a future time long after the Scribes and Pharisees had passed from the scene. The destruction in 70 AD occurred within a 40-year generation from the time when Jesus gave that discourse.
The judgment on the Jewish nation was executed by the Roman legions, "the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet" (Matthew 24:15). This can also be found in Luke (Luke 21:20).
Since Matthew 24 begins with Jesus visiting the Jerusalem Temple and pronouncing that "there shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down" (vs. 3), preterists see nothing in Scripture to indicate that another Jewish temple will ever be built. The prophecies were all fulfilled on the then-existing temple that Jesus spoke about and that was subsequently destroyed within that generation.
Wikipedia: Preterism
In the preterist view, the Tribulation took place in the past when Roman legions destroyed Jerusalem and its temple in AD 70 during the end stages of the First Jewish–Roman War, and it affected only the Jewish people rather than all mankind.
Christian preterists believe that the Tribulation was a divine judgment visited upon the Jews for their sins, including rejection of Jesus as the promised Messiah. It occurred entirely in the past, around 70 AD when the armed forces of the Roman Empire destroyed Jerusalem and its temple.
A preterist discussion of the Tribulation has its focus on the Gospels, in particular the prophetic passages in Matthew 24, Mark 13 and Luke 21, the Olivet discourse, rather than on the Apocalypse or Book of Revelation. (Preterists apply much of the symbolism in the Revelation to Rome, the Cæsars, and their persecution of Christians, rather than to the Tribulation upon the Jews.)
Jesus' warning in Matthew 24:34 that "this generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled" is tied back to his similar warning to the Scribes and the Pharisees that their judgment would "come upon this generation" (Matthew 23:36), that is, during the first century rather than at a future time long after the Scribes and Pharisees had passed from the scene. The destruction in 70 AD occurred within a 40-year generation from the time when Jesus gave that discourse.
The judgment on the Jewish nation was executed by the Roman legions, "the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet" (Matthew 24:15). This can also be found in Luke (Luke 21:20).
Since Matthew 24 begins with Jesus visiting the Jerusalem Temple and pronouncing that "there shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down" (vs. 3), preterists see nothing in Scripture to indicate that another Jewish temple will ever be built. The prophecies were all fulfilled on the then-existing temple that Jesus spoke about and that was subsequently destroyed within that generation.
In the preterist view, the Tribulation took place in the past when Roman legions destroyed Jerusalem and its temple in AD 70 during the end stages of the First Jewish–Roman War, and it affected only the Jewish people rather than all mankind.
Christian preterists believe that the Tribulation was a divine judgment visited upon the Jews for their sins, including rejection of Jesus as the promised Messiah. It occurred entirely in the past, around 70 AD when the armed forces of the Roman Empire destroyed Jerusalem and its temple.
A preterist discussion of the Tribulation has its focus on the Gospels, in particular the prophetic passages in Matthew 24, Mark 13 and Luke 21, the Olivet discourse, rather than on the Apocalypse or Book of Revelation. (Preterists apply much of the symbolism in the Revelation to Rome, the Cæsars, and their persecution of Christians, rather than to the Tribulation upon the Jews.)
Jesus' warning in Matthew 24:34 that "this generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled" is tied back to his similar warning to the Scribes and the Pharisees that their judgment would "come upon this generation" (Matthew 23:36), that is, during the first century rather than at a future time long after the Scribes and Pharisees had passed from the scene. The destruction in 70 AD occurred within a 40-year generation from the time when Jesus gave that discourse.
The judgment on the Jewish nation was executed by the Roman legions, "the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet" (Matthew 24:15). This can also be found in Luke (Luke 21:20).
Since Matthew 24 begins with Jesus visiting the Jerusalem Temple and pronouncing that "there shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down" (vs. 3), preterists see nothing in Scripture to indicate that another Jewish temple will ever be built. The prophecies were all fulfilled on the then-existing temple that Jesus spoke about and that was subsequently destroyed within that generation.
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Here's an interesting tidbit for you, Dave-L —
Luke 4:
16 And he came to Nazareth, where he had been brought up: and, as his custom was, he went into the synagogue on the sabbath day, and stood up for to read.
17And there was delivered unto him the book of the prophet Esaias. And when he had opened the book, he found the place where it was written,
18 The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised,
19 To preach the acceptable year of the Lord.
20 And he closed the book, and he gave itagain to the minister, and sat down. And the eyes of all them that were in the synagogue were fastened on him.
21 And he began to say unto them, This day is this scripture fulfilled in your ears.
Now, go back to Isaiah 61:
1 The Spirit of the Lord GOD is upon me; because the LORD hath anointed me to preach good tidings unto the meek; he hath sent me to bind up the brokenhearted, to proclaim liberty to the captives, and the opening of the prison to them that are bound;
2 To proclaim the acceptable year of the LORD, and the day of vengeance of our God ...
According to Jesus, the prophecy in Isaiah 61 1-2 was only partially fulfilled.
The day of vengeance of our God —
Talk about rightly dividing God's Word. Jesus started reading the prophecy of Isaiah ... stopped mid-verse (even though we know that back then Scripture was not broken down into chapters/verses). Just shows how closely Jesus stuck to God's Word.
Anyway ... just something for you to think about seeing as how you're so interested in prophecy ...
[p.s. ... not sure you'll read this post cuz it's kinda long ...
]
Luke 4:
16 And he came to Nazareth, where he had been brought up: and, as his custom was, he went into the synagogue on the sabbath day, and stood up for to read.
17And there was delivered unto him the book of the prophet Esaias. And when he had opened the book, he found the place where it was written,
18 The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised,
19 To preach the acceptable year of the Lord.
20 And he closed the book, and he gave itagain to the minister, and sat down. And the eyes of all them that were in the synagogue were fastened on him.
21 And he began to say unto them, This day is this scripture fulfilled in your ears.
Now, go back to Isaiah 61:
1 The Spirit of the Lord GOD is upon me; because the LORD hath anointed me to preach good tidings unto the meek; he hath sent me to bind up the brokenhearted, to proclaim liberty to the captives, and the opening of the prison to them that are bound;
2 To proclaim the acceptable year of the LORD, and the day of vengeance of our God ...
According to Jesus, the prophecy in Isaiah 61 1-2 was only partially fulfilled.
The day of vengeance of our God —
Talk about rightly dividing God's Word. Jesus started reading the prophecy of Isaiah ... stopped mid-verse (even though we know that back then Scripture was not broken down into chapters/verses). Just shows how closely Jesus stuck to God's Word.
Anyway ... just something for you to think about seeing as how you're so interested in prophecy ...
[p.s. ... not sure you'll read this post cuz it's kinda long ...
]
The disciples were as blind as anyone until they learned the truth. But, Peter preached the gospel of the kingdom on Pentecost, which by then included the message of the cross.
Replacement Theology? Read this carefully. Several points emerge that disprove replacement theology claims. I.e., it's REMOVAL THEOLOGY. Believing Israel remains. https://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/removal-theology-not-replacement-theology.190118/
“For Moses truly said unto the fathers, A prophet shall the Lord your God raise up unto you of your brethren, like unto me; him shall ye hear in all things whatsoever he shall say unto you. And it shall come to pass, that every soul, which will not hear that prophet, shall be destroyed from among the people.” Acts 3:22–23 (KJV 1900)
Replacement Theology? Read this carefully. Several points emerge that disprove replacement theology claims. I.e., it's REMOVAL THEOLOGY. Believing Israel remains. https://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/removal-theology-not-replacement-theology.190118/
“For Moses truly said unto the fathers, A prophet shall the Lord your God raise up unto you of your brethren, like unto me; him shall ye hear in all things whatsoever he shall say unto you. And it shall come to pass, that every soul, which will not hear that prophet, shall be destroyed from among the people.” Acts 3:22–23 (KJV 1900)
Living the Sermon is a career. Here's how;
“No man can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon. Therefore I say unto you, Take no thought for your life, what ye shall eat, or what ye shall drink; nor yet for your body, what ye shall put on. Is not the life more than meat, and the body than raiment? Behold the fowls of the air: for they sow not, neither do they reap, nor gather into barns; yet your heavenly Father feedeth them. Are ye not much better than they? Which of you by taking thought can add one cubit unto his stature? And why take ye thought for raiment? Consider the lilies of the field, how they grow; they toil not, neither do they spin: And yet I say unto you, That even Solomon in all his glory was not arrayed like one of these. Wherefore, if God so clothe the grass of the field, which to day is, and to morrow is cast into the oven, shall he not much more clothe you, O ye of little faith? Therefore take no thought, saying, What shall we eat? or, What shall we drink? or, Wherewithal shall we be clothed? (For after all these things do the Gentiles seek for your heavenly Father knoweth that ye have need of all these things. But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you. Take therefore no thought for the morrow: for the morrow shall take thought for the things of itself. Sufficient unto the day is the evil thereof.” Matthew 6:24–34 (KJV 1900)
Here's my experience in living it as a career.
I began following the Sermon on the Mount as a career in the 1970s after giving up a career that hindered my relationship with Christ. This left me and my wife homeless without any marketable skills.
So it then involved walking through doors the Lord opened. And not losing heart for the doors he closed. I noticed he created jobs where there weren't any and provided good housing we could afford, well below the going rate. Some of the jobs were dead-end unskilled labor that I performed in thanksgiving the best I could do. Over my working years, I did everything from washing dishes to being a factory manager, to selling the best of the best in high priced merchandise. Eventually retiring early from my own pocket. Never missing a day's work even though we had a couple of job closings along the way. Never needing public assistance.
There are some fascinating trials along the way that would tie most people in knots that had little effect on me. Knowing God is my provider and that he never let me down. It was an adventure not making plans but going with the flow having a willingness to try anything that came up.
“No man can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon. Therefore I say unto you, Take no thought for your life, what ye shall eat, or what ye shall drink; nor yet for your body, what ye shall put on. Is not the life more than meat, and the body than raiment? Behold the fowls of the air: for they sow not, neither do they reap, nor gather into barns; yet your heavenly Father feedeth them. Are ye not much better than they? Which of you by taking thought can add one cubit unto his stature? And why take ye thought for raiment? Consider the lilies of the field, how they grow; they toil not, neither do they spin: And yet I say unto you, That even Solomon in all his glory was not arrayed like one of these. Wherefore, if God so clothe the grass of the field, which to day is, and to morrow is cast into the oven, shall he not much more clothe you, O ye of little faith? Therefore take no thought, saying, What shall we eat? or, What shall we drink? or, Wherewithal shall we be clothed? (For after all these things do the Gentiles seek
for your heavenly Father knoweth that ye have need of all these things. But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you. Take therefore no thought for the morrow: for the morrow shall take thought for the things of itself. Sufficient unto the day is the evil thereof.” Matthew 6:24–34 (KJV 1900)Here's my experience in living it as a career.
I began following the Sermon on the Mount as a career in the 1970s after giving up a career that hindered my relationship with Christ. This left me and my wife homeless without any marketable skills.
So it then involved walking through doors the Lord opened. And not losing heart for the doors he closed. I noticed he created jobs where there weren't any and provided good housing we could afford, well below the going rate. Some of the jobs were dead-end unskilled labor that I performed in thanksgiving the best I could do. Over my working years, I did everything from washing dishes to being a factory manager, to selling the best of the best in high priced merchandise. Eventually retiring early from my own pocket. Never missing a day's work even though we had a couple of job closings along the way. Never needing public assistance.
There are some fascinating trials along the way that would tie most people in knots that had little effect on me. Knowing God is my provider and that he never let me down. It was an adventure not making plans but going with the flow having a willingness to try anything that came up.
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