CESSATIONISM AND HEALING

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miknik5 said:
Wait a second, can you clarify what you meant by your above statement which I highlighted in red?i
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Yes.
Jn 3
14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up:

15 That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.

16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
 
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miknik5 said:
No...I am just taking literally what JESUS said was GOD´S WILL in John 6...as well as what JESUS said was the WORK of GOD, which is also in John 6

I take it literally...and I leave everything else to HIM...
I know where my eyes are and who my eyes are on...in ALL seasons...sir...
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I hope you do not think Jesus healed and the apostles healed apart from Gods will.
 
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miknik5 said:
No, HE told Paul that...

Show me where you are somehow better than Paul in understanding GOD´S GRACE and the TRUE FAITH that is to HIS GLORY...
Are you trying to suggest Paul had no idea that JESUS can and does heal? Are you suggesting that our faith is greater than Paul?

Just the opposite is true...Paul had great faith...he had signs that faith in CHRIST alone is sufficient...and because of all that he had been given, all the wisdom and surpassing knowledge of the TRUTH of What had been hidden throughout the WORD of GOD, that thorn was given him to keep him on THE FOUNDATION...understanding that it is ALL GODŚ GRACE to begin with that he has received what he had received...

That too, was GOD´S GRACE...
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You just laid out a case for not knowing it is Gods will to heal.
Actually arguing He is not interested in healing when even the earthly father would not withhold healing to his natural children.
 
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miknik5 said:
No...I am just taking literally what JESUS said was GOD´S WILL in John 6...as well as what JESUS said was the WORK of GOD, which is also in John 6

I take it literally...and I leave everything else to HIM...
I know where my eyes are and who my eyes are on...in ALL seasons...sir...
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Most of the healing verses are in the gospels.
Do you also give place to those verses?

So many believers,when praying for the sick invoke the 3 or 4 cessationist verses and NEVER have learned the 60 plus healing verses.

They solidly believe those verses put ALL HEALING in a so so limbo.
"My 3 verses cancel your 60 verses"

Wow...that is bizare.
 
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miknik5 said:
I don´t remember that message exactly as CHRIST said when HE said, and if I be lifted up...

I don´t remember HIM saying, look to me and you will be healed from the poisonous snake that has bitten you, though HE did say, NOW is satan cast out...

HIS healing was more than JUST physical...
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Not me.
The cross is not one dimensional.

It encompasses all of humanities deficiancies.
A complete work.
Jesus still does Exactly What he did before.
Heals,delivers,saves,comforts,protects,renews,and gives the Holy Spirit to those that ask.

To think it is no longer his will to heal is bizare.
 
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chanchuinchoy said:
Sinc yu believed that it is God himself who gives knowledge to the doctors, then why would Christ atonement be despise?????:unsure:o_Oo_O
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So you believe in healing through Christ's atonement according to Isaiah 53:4?
 
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Absolutely said:
You do not comprehend.
You just slap an answer out there.
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You mean to say Christians should seek gifted healers rather than believe in Christ's atonement for healing? That's spoiling them!!
 
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Dino246 said:
Nobody is doing what you suggest. God does actually heal people's physical bodies, and they don't turn into idolaters. People who already were pagan idolaters misunderstood Paul and Barnabas and their ministry; it wasn't Christians who were idolizing them.
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Exactly! It was men that had no faith that comes from hearing God (the gospel) . They attributed the work of healing to the hands of the apostles making them into gods in the likeness of men .

This is what Sudakar is trying to sell as the gospel. The mark of Cain (666)
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Making gods in the likeness of men. Same kind of mind set of those who make a noise fall backward to mock God. and yet after revealing their error they continue the the mocking side show. Making Jesus into a circus seal. . Falling backward slain by the Spirit of Christ.

This according to the Bible shows that person is under the judgement of God .It is used that way many times throughout the bible.

You can find a meeting place in your own home town. Milwaukee has many of those who call things "sign gifts"( self edifying )no such thing. . Like. . . Did God really say you shall surely die? ...look at me flesh and blood and believe. Sssssss )

Milwaukee has many that mock God by falling backward. .. Spiritual gifts. . they are unseen. . Why does Sudakar preach another gospel, another Christ?
 
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garee said:
Exactly! It was men that had no faith that comes from hearing God (the gospel) . They attributed the work of healing to the hands of the apostles making them into gods in the likeness of men .

This is what Sudakar is trying to sell as the gospel. The mark of Cain (666)
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Making gods in the likeness of men. Same kind of mind set of those who make a noise fall backward to mock God. and yet after revealing their error they continue the the mocking side show. Making Jesus into a circus seal. . Falling backward slain by the Spirit of Christ.

This according to the Bible shows that person is under the judgement of God .It is used that way many times throughout the bible.

You can find a meeting place in your own home town. Milwaukee has many of those who call things "sign gifts"( self edifying )no such thing. . Like. . . Did God really say you shall surely die? ...look at me flesh and blood and believe. Sssssss )

Milwaukee has many that mock God by falling backward. .. Spiritual gifts. . they are unseen. . Why does Sudakar preach another gospel, another Christ?
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So you are Christless by denying His atonement for your healing?
 
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Sudakar said:
So you are Christless by denying His atonement for your healing?
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The atonement for the eternal healing? or a hang nail ?

The wrath of God revealing mankind sufferings the pangs of hell will continue till the last day. If the load is going to be lighter we need our sabbath rest to walk with us.

Why make men into gods in the likeness of men? Study Acts 14. Or donkeys. . The doctrine as gods in the likeness of Asses. God put his words on the tongue of a Ass and it restrained the work of blasphemy .Pinned Balaam in a hard place. No turning to the left or right

Buy the gospel truth and do not sell it. Send you money I can use it to repair my old house. .LOL

2 Corinthians 4:7 But we have this treasure in earthen vessels, that the excellency of the power may be of God, and not of us.

Proverbs 23:23 Buy the truth, and sell it not; also wisdom, and instruction, and understanding.
 
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According to this thread than no sickness will end in death...
Sudakar said:
The topic isn't evangelism but healing for christians. Don't digress.
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You don´t have any right to control the conversations of others in this thread.
 
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garee said:
The atonement for the eternal healing? or a hang nail ?

The wrath of God revealing mankind sufferings the pangs of hell will continue till the last day. If the load is going to be lighter we need our sabbath rest to walk with us.

Why make men into gods in the likeness of men? Study Acts 14. Or donkeys. . The doctrine as gods in the likeness of Asses. God put his words on the tongue of a Ass and it restrained the work of blasphemy .Pinned Balaam in a hard place. No turning to the left or right

Buy the gospel truth and do not sell it. Send you money I can use it to repair my old house. .LOL

2 Corinthians 4:7 But we have this treasure in earthen vessels, that the excellency of the power may be of God, and not of us.

Proverbs 23:23 Buy the truth, and sell it not; also wisdom, and instruction, and understanding.
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wonderful scriptures in answer to the new term used by Sudakar: CHRISTLESS
 
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garee said:
Exactly! It was men that had no faith that comes from hearing God (the gospel) . They attributed the work of healing to the hands of the apostles making them into gods in the likeness of men .

This is what Sudakar is trying to sell as the gospel. The mark of Cain (666)
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No it isn't.
 
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garee said:
The atonement for the eternal healing? or a hang nail ?

The wrath of God revealing mankind sufferings the pangs of hell will continue till the last day. If the load is going to be lighter we need our sabbath rest to walk with us.

Why make men into gods in the likeness of men? Study Acts 14. Or donkeys. . The doctrine as gods in the likeness of Asses. God put his words on the tongue of a Ass and it restrained the work of blasphemy .Pinned Balaam in a hard place. No turning to the left or right

Buy the gospel truth and do not sell it. Send you money I can use it to repair my old house. .LOL

2 Corinthians 4:7 But we have this treasure in earthen vessels, that the excellency of the power may be of God, and not of us.

Proverbs 23:23 Buy the truth, and sell it not; also wisdom, and instruction, and understanding.
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Are you denying God heals physically? If not you must understand He values physical healing.
 
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