the big lie: evolution, the beasts: darwin, hitler and nero.

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Mii

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Christian IS a religion.
Your original post needed some things.
-paragraphs
-structure
-coherence
-a point
Agreed on the first two for sure.

I rarely if ever Tl;dr a post because I make some long ones myself. I don't use paragraphs but just spaces in between and I'll admit, that perhaps, an overabundant use of ellipses.

I'll go back and read to see if there is coherence and a point, but yeah scanning that was a challenge.

@OP it just helps people to read it. You can even open it up in a text document and do 1.5x spacing and that helps out if bulk text is your preference.
 

Mii

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Ok so I did read it...I didn't realize that the name of Nero translated to the number.

How would that even work for those whose names are English or in a language that the symbols don't correspond?


It seems you were pointing toward microevolution in part of your post. Like a bear being a polar bear, grizzly, black bear etc.

Or human beings "evolving" different traits like eye color, hair color, skin color, physical size, etc. That's just genetics and "micro" evolution which could easily just be called genetics or breeding.

People point toward the Galapagos and even the dwarfism of "key deer" in Key West. This is the only evidence of evolution that I see. It doesn't suggest anything unscriptural.


Mutations occur often enough and typically in nature (animals) they are destroyed by their mothers. These aren't considered good traits though (like having two heads or an extra finger) or even looking at the African bush people with lack of genetic diversity in populating it produces some rather distressing results.

I even was in a class where one of the groups had a 5 legged frog offshoot from one of the limbs and I have seen this in humans as well, although not limbs.

It looks more like an error in genetic coding, but not species transmutation. Although it is possible to breed different species together in very rare exceptions, this isn't considered "evolution". It seems that these can only be within the same genus and are usually sterile thus further research impossible (wonder why). To my knowledge, no human breeding has ever been successful, unless you take a certain view of the pre-flood era. Regarding that, I find it more likely that it is not possible except spiritually, which is considerably worse but I'm not willing to discuss supposition in that area.

It seems incredibly unlikely that experimentation with human DNA and animal DNA has not occurred and been unsuccessful. People are curious, if it had amounted to something evidentiary we would have some clue I think.


There are many evolution narratives out there...looking at the "antichrist" you can get an idea of where this narrative will reach a climax.
 
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Ok so I did read it...I didn't realize that the name of Nero translated to the number.

How would that even work for those whose names are English or in a language that the symbols don't correspond?


It seems you were pointing toward microevolution in part of your post. Like a bear being a polar bear, grizzly, black bear etc.

Or human beings "evolving" different traits like eye color, hair color, skin color, physical size, etc. That's just genetics and "micro" evolution which could easily just be called genetics or breeding.

People point toward the Galapagos and even the dwarfism of "key deer" in Key West. This is the only evidence of evolution that I see. It doesn't suggest anything unscriptural.


Mutations occur often enough and typically in nature (animals) they are destroyed by their mothers. These aren't considered good traits though (like having two heads or an extra finger) or even looking at the African bush people with lack of genetic diversity in populating it produces some rather distressing results.

I even was in a class where one of the groups had a 5 legged frog offshoot from one of the limbs and I have seen this in humans as well, although not limbs.

It looks more like an error in genetic coding, but not species transmutation. Although it is possible to breed different species together in very rare exceptions, this isn't considered "evolution". It seems that these can only be within the same genus and are usually sterile thus further research impossible (wonder why). To my knowledge, no human breeding has ever been successful, unless you take a certain view of the pre-flood era. Regarding that, I find it more likely that it is not possible except spiritually, which is considerably worse but I'm not willing to discuss supposition in that area.

It seems incredibly unlikely that experimentation with human DNA and animal DNA has not occurred and been unsuccessful. People are curious, if it had amounted to something evidentiary we would have some clue I think.


There are many evolution narratives out there...looking at the "antichrist" you can get an idea of where this narrative will reach a climax.
Sheep were cloned 15 year's ago...
 

Ahwatukee

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according to "science", the oldest cities in the world are jericho and damascus. both are in the bible (genesis). years.

who is 666? bible quotes:
18 Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six. (Revelation 13:18)
gematria is a calculation, a number from a name, a word, a phrase. every letter has a number allocated. the amount of all numbers is the number allocated to that word. if in latin alphabet, you allocate to the letter z, the number 1 and to next letters in inverse order of the alphabet, you allocate 2,3,4, etc, until 10, then 10,20,30, etc, until 100, then 100,200,300, etc, until last letter a, the word (name) hitler is 666. h=100, i=90, t=7, l=60, e=400, r=9. this is one of many possible gematries. in "real" gematria, the hebrew alphabet, nero is the only famous person with the number 666.
caesar neron = nron qsr = נרונ קסר
resh (ר) samekh (ס) qoph (ק) nun (נ) vav (ו) resh (ר) nun (נ)
200 + 60 + 100 + 50 + 6 + 200 + 50 = 666
8 The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is. (Revelation 17:8)
from this quote, we can understand the beast (666) will live two times. what similarities have hitler and nero? both they fought jews, both they killed themselves after they lost the war, both were the biggest killers in the history of humanity, nero killed paul and peter, in one word: 666. maybe God gave two chances to 666 to be a human, but he refused those.
Good day cristian_gavrilescu!

According to Rev.9:11, the beast is an fallen angel who is currently in the Abyss, who, when he comes up out of the Abyss, will be the power behind the antichrist, the man of lawlessness. Regarding this man of lawlessness, it states the following:

"And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord Jesus will slay with the breath of His mouth and annihilate by the majesty of His arrival."

Regarding this, both Nero and Hitler committed suicide and therefore neither fits the criteria of being the beast. The scripture above states that the antichrist will be killed by the coming of the Lord Jesus. Likewise, Rev.19:20 says that as Jesus is returning to the earth to end the age, both the beast and the false prophet will be captured and cast into the lake of fire.

Therefore, since both Nero and Hitler committed suicide and Jesus hasn't returned yet, neither of them fits the criteria of scripture.

By the way, gematria can be used to make most anybody to add to the numbers of the beast.
 

Mii

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Sheep were cloned 15 year's ago...
Yeah but what does cloning have to do with what I posted? That's not cross-species. I think dolly was 1999 or 2000. I recall reading about that when I was 12 in a few year old textbook in 7th grade science class.

One need only look at where technology has progressed across the board to draw surmise a few things about current cloning technology. To be fair though, there are some areas where technology hasn't progressed as far as say cellphones or computers. Experiments reach brick walls, as far as I know genus cross breeding is possible (Liger, Zebra variants, etc) but not much else.



Oh...looked it up, apparently dolly was 1996 :eek:

Coincidentally I still have Izzy pins from 1996 ATL olympics, off topic but they share the same year haha.
 
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Good day cristian_gavrilescu!

According to Rev.9:11, the beast is an fallen angel who is currently in the Abyss, who, when he comes up out of the Abyss, will be the power behind the antichrist, the man of lawlessness. Regarding this man of lawlessness, it states the following:

"And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord Jesus will slay with the breath of His mouth and annihilate by the majesty of His arrival."

Regarding this, both Nero and Hitler committed suicide and therefore neither fits the criteria of being the beast. The scripture above states that the antichrist will be killed by the coming of the Lord Jesus. Likewise, Rev.19:20 says that as Jesus is returning to the earth to end the age, both the beast and the false prophet will be captured and cast into the lake of fire.

Therefore, since both Nero and Hitler committed suicide and Jesus hasn't returned yet, neither of them fits the criteria of scripture.

By the way, gematria can be used to make most anybody to add to the numbers of the beast.
Well we American's committed genoside on an entire race of people here in the U.S. are those responsible going to have to answer the same as Hitler? ( wiped out 90% of the population of natives here.)
 

Ahwatukee

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Well we American's committed genoside on an entire race of people here in the U.S. are those responsible going to have to answer the same as Hitler? ( wiped out 90% of the population of natives here.)
Good day, 1christian1!

I didn't say that what Hitler did wasn't terrible. It surely was. But what I did say is that, neither he nor the emperor Nero could be the beast. Reasons being is that, scripture states that the first beast (antichrist) will be captured and thrown into the lake of fire alive when the Lord returns to the earth to end that age. Hitler and Nero committed suicide. Therefore, neither of them matches the criteria of being the beast, because they are already dead by their own hands and therefore can't be killed by the Lord at His coming.
 
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Good day, 1christian1!

I didn't say that what Hitler did wasn't terrible. It surely was. But what I did say is that, neither he nor the emperor Nero could be the beast. Reasons being is that, scripture states that the first beast (antichrist) will be captured and thrown into the lake of fire alive when the Lord returns to the earth to end that age. Hitler and Nero committed suicide. Therefore, neither of them matches the criteria of being the beast, because they are already dead by their own hands and therefore can't be killed by the Lord at His coming.
So sorry. I misunderstood or was answering another post. But yeah , I agree with you..
 
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I think that it was Westminster Cathedral. I asked if you were British and you agreed,
So you are Briish? Lol...
O yes sorry. I am (unfortunately). How bad is that for uk though. Also we have gog & Magog statues in London museum. Very pagan country now.
 
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O yes sorry. I am (unfortunately). How bad is that for uk though. Also we have gog & Magog statues in London museum. Very pagan country now.
Wow. I had'nt heard that or even read about it. What's going on there? All the actor's there seem very happy to be alive! lol. Sorry for your troubles...
 
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Yuk...
First off,; Hitler was as catholic as he was nationalistic as he was socialistic. Meaning, he was neither of these. He wanted the world and an uber race which was blue eyes blond hair and other features.
Second off
There is only ONE human race, that is geneticly proven. Speaking of different races is social Darwinism. Many believers have a lot of Darwinian assumptions without even knowing themselves.