The absurdity and heresy of Preterism

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tanakh said:
Christians who unconditionally support the state of Israel do so because they believe they will be cursed by God if they dont. If you add
the US Governments interest in keeping the very influential Jewish voters and fundamentalist Christians on side you have a very toxic mixture to deal with. The most ridiculous option for solving the Jewish/Arab conflict to date is digging a tunnel from the west bank
to Gaza. The real solution is for Israel to leave the occupied territories return to the pre 1967 border and make Jerusalem an
international city. This solution would in my opinion greatly diminish terrorist threats both in Israel and internationally. Lastly
Arab people are human beings that for the most part want a peacful secure life as we all do.
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That's a very humanistic idea, And seems nice enough at first glance.
 
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Nehemiah6 said:
That is totally FALSE. And your idea is refuted in Revelation 7. Furthermore, the land of Israel was never promised to the Church, since the New Jerusalem is the eternal home of the Church.

REDEEMED ISRAEL: A MICROCOSM IN THE 144,000 FROM THE 12 TRIBES
4 And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there weresealed an hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel.
5 Of the tribe of Juda were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Reuben were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Gad were sealed twelve thousand.
6 Of the tribe of Aser were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Nepthalim were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Manasses weresealed twelve thousand.
7 Of the tribe of Simeon were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Levi were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Issachar were sealed twelve thousand.
8 Of the tribe of Zabulon were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Joseph were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Benjamin weresealed twelve thousand.

THE CHURCH: FROM ALL NATIONS, KINDREDS, PEOPLE, AND TONGUES
9 After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands;
10 And cried with a loud voice, saying, Salvation to our God which sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb.

This one chapter effectively refutes Replacement Theology. But the entire book of Ezekiel refutes it also. And there are numerous other passages throughout Scripture.
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Absolutely correct. And to deny this makes a person guilty of breaking Scripture does it?
Preteriism and amillennialism is a vicious circle. One feeds upon another and Israel gets kicked to the curb.
 
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That's a very humanistic idea, And seems nice enough at first glance.
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But the truth is that Jerusalem is the city of the Great King, The city of the Lord, And the Zion of the Holy one of Israel. Of course the amillennialist deny this.....but not for much longer trust me.
 
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KJV1611 said:
You're making progress! Yes, only SOME of the ethnic Jews were chosen.... that means that the Jews as a whole ARE NOT God's chosen people. Those that aren't chosen are called the enemies of the gospel, those that are chosen are called God's elect.





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Easily refuted. The fact that the Israelites were, are, and will be forevermore God's CHOSEN people is made perfectly clear by the "unconditional covenants". You do understand that Israelites who are CHOSEN to believe in Jesus are converted to Christianity correct? They enter into the New Covenant correct? The ones who do not believe are still CHOSEN and remain under the other unconditional covenants correct? A very simple concept, and if you understand this all end time prophecy fits together perfectly. But only if you believe that the Scripture cannot be broken that is. If you believe that God trashes his covenants and breaks his promises well anything goes doesn't it?

Enjoy! I know you amillennialist Israel haters love Chuck Missler!

 
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Still waiting to hear your reply in the posts I made about Rahab and Joshua and the Wars of the Lord in the conquest of Canaan, His bloodstained garments while He makes war, and His inevitable rescue and redemption of Israel. Also waiting to hear your reply of why in 70 A.D. the Lord himself did not destroy the armies surrounding Jerusalem as the Scripture clearly states.
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....and the components of horror vividly described in the gt that have supposedly happened.

She evidently will not go there.
 
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It is surprising the venom with which the pre-tribs and post-tribs fight. You’d think Jesus’ coming depends upon them personally having the right view. I know those have made very foolish decisions from the rapture theology. If they’d known the truth It’d have been much better.
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Show me the venom.
I think you just can't handle a challenge.

And show me where you take a scriptural stand.
What verses support your claims?
 
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KJV1611 said:
I don't hate the Jews or any other group of people, I just call them what they are, Rebellious, God hating, Christ killers. What blows my mind is that you worship them. Why?
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This post is way outta whack.
 
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....and the components of horror vividly described in the gt that have supposedly happened.

She evidently will not go there.
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You got that right. Fake Christians never want to touch the grim reality of judgment. Tragically there going to end up going through it because of unbelief in it. And then they backstop their unbelief with self-righteousness, secular humanism and the social gospel.

A warning to all those listening: the end times are upon us, The Lord Jesus Messiah is coming very very soon!
 
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Absolutely said:
Show me the venom.
I think you just can't handle a challenge.

And show me where you take a scriptural stand.
What verses support your claims?
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Don't bother asking you are wasting your time. I am still waiting for one solid rebuttal that includes Scripture from this person.
 
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cv5 said:
Easily refuted. The fact that the Israelites were, are, and will be forevermore God's CHOSEN people is made perfectly clear by the "unconditional covenants". You do understand that Israelites who are CHOSEN to believe in Jesus are converted to Christianity correct? They enter into the New Covenant correct? The ones who do not believe are still CHOSEN and remain under the other unconditional covenants correct? A very simple concept, and if you understand this all end time prophecy fits together perfectly. But only if you believe that the Scripture cannot be broken that is. If you believe that God trashes his covenants and breaks his promises well anything goes doesn't it?

Enjoy! I know you amillennialist Israel haters love Chuck Missler!

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Can you make up your mind on whether the ethnic Jews are God's chosen people or not? One time you say only some of the ethnic Jews are God's chosen people and now you're waffling back to all ethnic Jews are God's chosen people... which one is it?
 
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Dino246 said:
Here's the only verse needed to trump your rump:

Matthew 24:34 Truly I say to you, this generation will not pass away until all these things take place.
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...in mat 24 the " one taken" is the rapture.
And the timing is pre flood and pre sodom.
(From jesus own words.)
Then the flying locusts and the 144k taken in rev 14 are during the gt.
 
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KJV1611 said:
Can you make up your mind on whether the ethnic Jews are God's chosen people or not? One time you say only some of the ethnic Jews are God's chosen people and now you're waffling back to all ethnic Jews are God's chosen people... which one is it?
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The gt makes or breaks the jews.
Some come to the messiah....some dont.
Some are raptured in rev 14 some stay.
The 144k are firstfruit JEWS.
10% OF THE TOTAL JEWS.
REV 14 has both firstfruit jews arriving in heaven, and the main harvest of jews about mid chapter.

Your jewish analysis is bogus.
 
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KJV1611 said:
Can you make up your mind on whether the ethnic Jews are God's chosen people or not? One time you say only some of the ethnic Jews are God's chosen people and now you're waffling back to all ethnic Jews are God's chosen people... which one is it?
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What are you talking about now? Israelites are, were and forever more will be God's chosen people period. Those are chosen to believe in Jesus enter into the New Covenant period. Those who are not chosen to believe in Jesus remain in the unconditional covenants period. God will inevitably redeem the remnant of Israel (who survive through the GT) in the millennium period.

And all covenants are fulfilled and all end time prophecy is completed period!!!!!

So simple so easy if and only if you actually understand and believe in the Bible PERIOD!
 
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Absolutely said:
The gt makes or breaks the jews.
Some come to the messiah....some dont.
Some are raptured in rev 14 some stay.
The 144k are firstfruit JEWS.
10% OF THE TOTAL JEWS.
REV 14 has both firstfruit jews arriving in heaven, and the main harvest of jews about mid chapter.

Your jewish analysis is bogus.
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Firstfruits of what?
 
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Slamdunk Biker......!

"That John lived until after the reign of Domitian is also shown by Irenaeus' repeated references to his own mentor, Polycarp, being John's disciple.[8] Polycarp was born in AD65, and died in AD155. He was five years old when Jerusalem was destroyed. He was two years old when Nero died. His being tutored by John therefore must have been at least a decade after the destruction of Jerusalem, and more likely two or three decades afterward."
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I looked into the written dating of rev many,many years ago.
(About 40 lol)
All I remember about it was cracking a smile when I saw the early dating of preterist was a impossibility.
It is disaster for preterists.
 
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KJV1611 said:
Look at what you did. "All Israel" doesn't really mean "All Israel", what it REALLY MEANS is (TWIST) "all believing Israel".
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That is not twisting Scripture but rightly dividing the Word of Truth. Had you taken the time to properly study Romans 11:26-36, you would have discovered that Paul is speaking about redeemed and restored Israel after the Second Coming of Christ, when He comes as the Deliverer of Jerusalem (Zion).

ROMANS 11: THE FUTURE REDEMPTION OF ISRAEL

1. CHRIST WILL DELIVER ISRAEL AND BRING SALVATION TO THE JEWS
26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:

2. THE NEW COVENANT WAS MADE WITH ISRAEL (SEE EZEK 36)
27 For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.

3. ISRAEL IS BELOVED BECAUSE OF GOD'S COVENANT WITH THE PATRIARCHS
28 As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the fathers' sakes.

4. GOD'S GIFTS AND CALLING CAN NEVER BE WITHDRAWN
29 For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance.

5. THE UNBELIEF OF ISRAEL OPENED SALVATION TO THE GENTILES
30 For as ye in times past have not believed God, yet have now obtained mercy through their unbelief:

6. THE MERCY SHOWN TO GENTILES WILL ALSO BE SHOWN TO JEWS IN THE FUTURE
31 Even so have these also now not believed, that through your mercy they also may obtain mercy.

7. GOD WILL HAVE MERCY UPON ALL (PROVIDED THEY BELIEVE ON CHRIST)
32 For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that he might have mercy upon all.

8. GOD'S WISDOM, KNOWLEDGE, AND GRACE ARE UNSEARCHABLE
33 O the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of God! how unsearchable are his judgments, and his ways past finding out! 34 For who hath known the mind of the Lord? or who hath been his counsellor? 35 Or who hath first given to him, and it shall be recompensed unto him again? 36 For of him, and through him, and to him, are all things: to whom be glory for ever. Amen.
 
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