The absurdity and heresy of Preterism

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sure if you insist the tribulation is only 7 yrs. But the tribulation is not only 7 years. We are still in the tribulation so Justin Trudeau's disdain for christians is part of the tribulation.


Technically, as a Believer and follower of Christ, the tribulation began at conversion. But the Tribulation where the antichrist claims to be God is yet to come.
 

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I'm not going to argue with a person who believes in 5 different gospels. Sorry but it's pointless.
I know a lot of good tidings messages. The birth of Christ was a good tidings message. 😀
 
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Daniel 9:26 says (in its SEQUENTIAL passage), "desolaTIONS [plural] are determined."

The 70ad events ("the desolation [singular] thereof") is just ONE of those PLURAL "desolaTIONS".

However, when Jesus spoke of "the abomination [singular] of desolation [singular] spoken of by Daniel the prophet..." (Matt24:15), He uses the singular purposely, because He is specifically referring to that which is referred to in Dan12:11 "the abomination [singular] which maketh desolate SET UP [H5414]"


Tell me, since Nero, the literal WUSS he was, sent Titus to Jerusalem. So, who by your account was this abomination who sat in the Temple? It wasn't Nero, he was being a chicken sitting at home.
 
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Tell me, since Nero, the literal WUSS he was, sent Titus to Jerusalem. So, who by your account was this abomination who sat in the Temple? It wasn't Nero, he was being a chicken sitting at home.

  • The Second Temple was destroyed by the Romans on the same date, Tisha B'Av, in 70 AD. Rome's destruction of the Temple began in 66 AD, when Roman Emperor Nero appointed General Vespasian to put down a revolt in Judea. Almost immediately, Rome experienced chaos.
Rome Destroyed Jerusalem - What Happened Next?
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Vespasian is Titus' daddy!
 
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So who was this supposed man of perdition/abomination to sit in the Temple in 70 AD claiming he was God?

I will tell you. It was NOBODY, because those events are still TO COME!
 

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Correct. (Glad we can agree on one point, anyway! Woohoo!)



So where Matt24:15 says, "Therefore when ye shall see [the AOD]...," the "ye" here is a "proleptic 'you/ye'," meaning, "those in the future, OF THE SAME CATEGORY"... and in this context, that means, "THOSE TO WHOM the promised and prophesied earthly Millennial Kingdom" was promised. (The ID of which is not [pertaining to]"the Church WHICH IS HIS BODY" / US. ;) [ppl have a bad habit of reading themselves/'the Church which is His body' INTO every passage they read--THIS passage/context is not speaking of it/this])
Yes. The preceding verse "and then the end will come" makes it clear that v34 is speaking to the generation of the end...the future GT. So clear, so consise, so obvious!
 

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Tell me, since Nero, the literal WUSS he was, sent Titus to Jerusalem. So, who by your account was this abomination who sat in the Temple? It wasn't Nero, he was being a chicken sitting at home.
You seem to be mis-reading my post.

I've stated throughout this thread that the AOD is "far-future" to when written (and yet future to our present day!).

It was ONLY the 70ad events (spelled out in Lk21:12-24 ONLY) that occurred in the "near-future".

I'm pointing out the reasons for the DISTINCTIONS (throughout this thread). One *near*; the other *far-future* (and *future* even to "our Rapture").
 
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You seem to be mis-reading my post.

I've stated throughout this thread that the AOD is "far-future" to when written (and yet future to our present day!).

It was ONLY the 70ad events (spelled out in Lk21:12-24 ONLY) that occurred in the "near-future".

I'm pointing out the reasons for the DISTINCTIONS (throughout this thread). One *near*; the other *far-future* (and *future* even to "our Rapture").

My bad if I did!

Use what I state to back your statement and I will confirm that.

I understood I misread after reading CV5's post.
 
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When I am in error, I have no issue admitting it.

Something I have yet to see the preterist or amill's do!
 

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This is TODAY:
This is proving Matthew 24:9 is for today, not for 70 AD

The Top 50 Countries Where It’s Most Dangerous to Follow Jesus
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Jan 10, 2018 · Approximately 215 million Christians now experience high, very high, or extreme levels of persecution; that means 1 in 12 Christians live where Christianity is “illegal, forbidden, or punished ...


What’s the Biggest Threat to the Persecuted Church?
Rounding out the top 10, following North Korea and Afghanistan, are Somalia (No. 3), Sudan (No. 4), Pakistan (No. 5), Eritrea (No. 6), Libya (No. 7), Iraq (No. 8), Yemen (No. 9), and Iran (No. 10).
Matthew 24:3-14 isn't talking about some specific 7 years. He is talking about a vast time period from 1st Century AD to approx 3000 AD to 10,000 AD when Christ Returns.
 

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My bad if I did!

Use what I state to back your statement and I will confirm that.

I understood I misread after reading CV5's post.
Sorry, my Post #720 (you quoted) was aimed at Neb's Post #715 (not your intervening posts, which it may APPEAR I was addressing simply b/c I typed slowly, and several posts popped up b/f I was finished. LOL).


He had said:

Member Neb said [Post #715]: This is 7 year Roman-Jewish War. 70AD is just the beginnings of the tribulation.
The Romans made desolate Jerusalum, destroying the temple and ending sacrifices.
Fits like hand to glove. It is even more clear when looking at Luke 21:20 where Jesus refers to surrounding armies which are the roman armies, and that the desolation is a reference to Daniel 9:27
Luke 21:20
When you see Jerusalem being surrounded by armies, you will know that its desolation is near.

My post #720 was speaking to THAT.

(Dan9:26 "desolaTIONS are determined")
 
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Matthew 24:3-14 isn't talking about some specific 7 years. He is talking about a vast time period from 1st Century AD to approx 3000 AD to 10,000 AD when Christ Returns.

I will definitely research that.

I was just wanting to show if Jesus was referring to "All Nations" hated the Jews in 67-70 AD then more than just Rome would have attacked.

And why I copied/pasted who are currently persecuting Believers today because they fit the bill to what Jesus was speaking about in verse 9.
 
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Sorry, my Post #720 (you referred to) was aimed at Neb's Post #715 (not your intervening posts, which it may APPEAR I was addressing simply b/c I typed slowly, and several posts popped up b/f I was finished. LOL)

No worries Brother, it happens (y)

I jumped the gun lol
 
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Sorry, my Post #720 (you quoted) was aimed at Neb's Post #715 (not your intervening posts, which it may APPEAR I was addressing simply b/c I typed slowly, and several posts popped up b/f I was finished. LOL).


He had said:




My post #720 was speaking to THAT.


Yes, your statement does answer what he posted. I see that now :LOL:
 
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My post towards yours can therefore be sent to his hahahahahahahaha

Member Neb said: This is 7 year Roman-Jewish War. 70AD is just the beginnings of the tribulation.
The Romans made desolate Jerusalum, destroying the temple and ending sacrifices.
Fits like hand to glove. It is even more clear when looking at Luke 21:20 where Jesus refers to surrounding armies which are the roman armies, and that the desolation is a reference to Daniel 9:27
Luke 21:20
When you see Jerusalem being surrounded by armies, you will know that its desolation is near.
 
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For me, when I read a very good written book and get to the end, I find it less satisfying knowing there is nothing more left.

I cannot see how a preterist believes the Bible is over and complete and still lives for God.

If the Bible was completed and the prophecies were fulfilled, there would be no reason to serve God because God is done with humanity.

I am extremely thankful for the Church Fathers who have proven John was placed by Domitian in Patmos in 94 AD where he wrote Revelations, was released after Domitian died, and served in Ephesus till 100 AD.

Because that proves the Bible was not finished and still had much more to be fulfilled, and God still had much more left to do with humanity!
 
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I want to serve a God who wants to deal with His Creation until His Will has been completed.

From the preterist viewpoint, it seems like a waste of time to continue living for God!
 
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I know what lies ahead for me as a Believer is going to be pure hell until I die, or God has other plans for me. That's what makes it worth it, for me, because God is not finished yet. Even if that means I will suffer like never before, at least it is God bringing me through this by my side the entire time.