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TheIndianGirl

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As for how I view older singles, I admit I feel sorry for them. I have one friend in particular, raised a Christian and very solid in her faith. She just retired from teaching, and is still a never married. She seems very happy and content with her life, but I unfairly think about how sad it is she never found the right person. (Her words!)

But, I think that is just my view of life. My husband and I have been married 40 years, and it is hard for me to imagine anything else for myself. I used to worry sometimes he would die before me, especially when he would get these life threatening infections. But medicine solved that problem, and he has been good for 12 years. I am now the sick one, and other than a death by accident for him, I am going to go first. And he will not do well without me. Mostly because he doesn't cook! Lol
I think this is a type of feeling that even singles can relate to regarding other types of relationships. For example, people who have a good relationship with a mom or dad may feel sorry for a person growing up without a mom or dad, because they did not experience that relationship. Or, people who loves pet will feel sorry for people who have never had pets. I do think that singles without a spouse and kids do "miss out" in a sense (assuming the marriage/family life is ideal) in that respect, since they are lacking on fulfilling relationships. And, we are made for relationships generally speaking (not necessarily marriage though).
 
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If God's will was against it then it wouldn't happen. And because we do not have scripture to tell us the will of God on this issue. It is safe to assume this is within the liberty and judgment of each couple. Especially as we have Biblical examples of elderly parents.

Modern day servants are called public education, day care, babysitters, friends and family, extracurricular activities, etc.
It’s nothing I feel strongly about or anything. Bringing God’s will into the equation I think is erroneous. People have demonstrated their free will and disconcern to God’s since the beginning. I think that’s been my point in this. If God doesn’t allow your body to produce children, then maybe you aren’t supposed to have children. He designed us, so that IS God’s will. Anything we do to circumvent His design is our will. Clearly those who disagree will disagree. It was just a question, more rhetorical than anything.
 

Roughsoul1991

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It’s nothing I feel strongly about or anything. Bringing God’s will into the equation I think is erroneous. People have demonstrated their free will and disconcern to God’s since the beginning. I think that’s been my point in this. If God doesn’t allow your body to produce children, then maybe you aren’t supposed to have children. He designed us, so that IS God’s will. Anything we do to circumvent His design is our will. Clearly those who disagree will disagree. It was just a question, more rhetorical than anything.
Not necessarily. You would have to determine was the bodies inability to reproduce a spiritual act or a natural defect.

And in less you get a spiritual message saying otherwise because nothing in scripture says anything about this topic, then we can only conclude it was a natural defect.

Your thoughts are important. Doesn't matter if you feel strongly about it or not. No matter rhetorical or not. Every thought should be held captive. Sometimes that means we must wrestle it unto submission.
 

Billyd

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You'll never find happiness by having what you want. It only available to those who want what they already have.
 
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Not necessarily. You would have to determine was the bodies inability to reproduce a spiritual act or a natural defect.

And in less you get a spiritual message saying otherwise because nothing in scripture says anything about this topic, then we can only conclude it was a natural defect.

Your thoughts are important. Doesn't matter if you feel strongly about it or not. No matter rhetorical or not. Every thought should be held captive. Sometimes that means we must wrestle it unto submission.
I enjoy how our little side discussions stray so far from where we started. I had to remember where we began. I don’t think each thought needs to be contemplated equally. If it seems right for you to adopt, then adopt. I don’t think it’s a sin or anything. I don’t think being barren is a punishment either. My view of God’s will is whatever is. If I have a good year financially or bad, it just is. All I can do is my best. If I’m kind and pleasant and happy and people like me, great. If they don’t, great. I just accept what he gives me. I thought helping people get physically fit would benefit them so I studied hard to gain the best information. I set up a site, made some cards and offered training and advice. Nobody cared. No problem, move on. If it was God’s will I figured an audience would find me. It didn’t so I took down the site and sold most of my equipment. Moving to the analogy of us being branches, sometimes a sucker shoots out. You can see it’s not producing any fruit. Either you cut it off or let it rob sustenance from other parts producing fruit. I think often we pay more attention to the suckers. I let God do the pruning. If it’s not meant to be, I leave it. Not my will, His.
 

presidente

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How do you view older singles (40 plus) ? Please be honest.

I don't think I, as a married person, have a particular view of all 40+ singles. Americans tend to be laid back and not care much whether other people marry or not. Someone from the Philippines said if you don't marry by your late 20's, people are suspicious of you as to why you never married. I think this was a comment from a man who had hit 30. Young women or their parents thought there might have been a reason why he had been rejected by other women. But I don't pick up on that in the US.

But there have been older single people we met with difficult personalities, and my wife, who is Indonesia, might wonder if God hadn't given them a spouse because they weren't ready, yet. I used to hang out with a man who turned 50 and was single who wanted to marry, and I figured the reason was because he was shy and awkward around women.

I knew a 40+ Singaporean woman of Indian descent who was actually quite attractive. We tried to match her up with a widow preacher friend about 10 years older, and she kind of freaked out about the whole idea. We figured that might be why she was single. Maybe she was afraid of marrying. But eventually, she settled into the teaching of Paul about how single people can serve God better. She actually had dated some time earlier, probably her 30's. She also said Indian girls in Singapore did not date, but then some of the Indian men married Chinese and there weren't the male partners to match the girls up with, so some of them were single. Singapore is one of those countries where people work careers, delay marriage, and the government has been pushing for more marriage and more kids to keep the population up. There are plenty of people, but they probably want reproduction rather than growth by immigration from Muslim Malayu folks from futher north.

Being single and living celibate to focus more on serving the Lord is a noble thing.
 

presidente

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For those who want to marry, there is not a lot of support if they do not do well in the dating system in the US. If men are shy or even if women are shy and do not flirt and get male attention, they can be overlooked for marriage. We are bombarded with images of the 90th percentile and up for good looks on TV and magazine ads, and so the vast majority of folks who are somewhere in the middle of the bell curve for looks can have difficulty finding someone if they aren't outgoing in the western dating system.

My wife is from Indonesia. In the cities, but also in villages, young people kind of find their own spouses, but parental approval for marriage is socially required. I don't even think the civil registrar agent would have signed the papers if my wife's parents had not agreed and she was 24. The lady asked if the parents agreed. But her people group in days gone by had a preference for certain cousins who do not have the same family name to marry. It seems like most do not marry their cousins, but I have noticed they do that sometimes. In some cases in her extended family, if a woman has gotten older, they try to match them up with someone in the family network.

My wife had a pretty young cousin who we heard was matched up with someone from a well-to-do family. I don't know if they sort of dated or just got matched up. Another cousin, my 'adopted' sister for family name purposes in their traditional system, married her cousin. I didn't know they were related. And one of my wife's other relatives had a baby out of wedlock and they finally married her off to a cousin in her 30's and they had more kids together.

My wife has a cousin. We left Indonesia right after he had started college. My wife said he was good-looking. I've got about as much of a sense of a man is good-looking as I do about telling whether a dog is male or female by looking just at it's face. So I'll take her word for it. We went back after 9 years and he was married. I recognized his wife. I believe i'd met her at a family reunion. But she was up in her 30's and hadn't married. She wasn't bad looking or anything, but hadn't found anyone. I talked to my wife's male cousin. I asked if he looked over at her at a family reunion and fell in love. He wasn't familiar with the Jeff Foxworthy jokes I had running in the back of my mind. When I mentioned being 'in love' he was really uncomfortable for that. He said marrying like that strengthens family bonds.

I was not privy to the family discussions, but my guess is cousin so and so probably says "My daughter is 33 and not married yet. Your son is single. How about you help us out a bit and talk to him about marrhying our daughter?" It's not so bad in the city, but when I've got up to the village, my wife's relatives want to arrange our whole itinerary while we are in a big family meeting. Usually, I don't care that much, but sometimes it is irritating. It's the downside of hiring a relative who is a part of the group as a driver. I wonder if the discussions about who marries whom when they get older are like that.

They also had an old tradition of Lavrite marriage. And they also might talk a sister of a deceased wife into marrying a widower. Or if a woman were widowed or a husband were a widower, they could ask the deceased family for help finding a partner. They would probably suggest someone on the same generational level as the deceased. Going above or below would be like marrying an uncle, aunt, niece, or nephew and probably would be seen almost like cousin marriage is in the US. They might also match someone up with an in-law of an in-law.

In Korea, young people who go to college get matched up on 'meetings' by their 'seniors'-- older students. They go on a date with the three of them. If the couple like each other, they start dating. So they get help with starting dating, after coming out of all boy or all girl schools. Those who do not end up with a boyfriend when they graduate, get a job, and start getting pressure from parents to marry can get set up by relatives. Or they can go to a professional matchmaker. When I was there in the 1990's, they said if you were single in your late 20's, you aunt would have a picture of you and talk to someone else's aunt or grandmother at a bus stop. They would show each other pictures and try to match their kids up. Maybe the busstop thing was an exaggeration a bit of a joke.

Japanese managers try to suggest potential matches for marriage to their employees. Korean pastors may do the same with their congregation. I spoke to a man in Hawaii who was set up with a woman maybe around 40 who was single. He was probably 50 or so.

I notice the Old Testament tells parents going to Babylon to find wives for your sons and husbands for your daughters, to increase and not decrease. That implies that parents have a responsibility to help find spouses.

I have heard of church people frowning on someone going to church hoping to find a spouse. I don't see anything wrong with, for example, a man visiting other mid-week services to meet women if all the suitable women in his own church are married off. We could also be a bit more active in helping people find each other. Some parental involvement would also be helpful. At the least, fathers need to approve their daughter's choices, though the widow may marry whomsoever she wills, but only in the Lord.
 

Angela53510

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Yeah hockey is pretty big with us. It’s my son’s draft year and he had a good chance but who knows now. I’ve got two goalies.
Congrats! A goalie is hard on the parents! But if they love it, they have to go for it. I hope your son gets drafted. Are they having a draft, this year? Or a virtual one??
 
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Congrats! A goalie is hard on the parents! But if they love it, they have to go for it. I hope your son gets drafted. Are they having a draft, this year? Or a virtual one??
Nobody knows what’s going on this year. All we know is that there will be no tournaments. There’s some talk about making it a 3 on 3 season.
 
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How do you view older singles (40 plus) ? Please be honest.
I was married after 30 and so know both camps better than some who married younger or those who never married. How do I view singles? And those who have the opportunity to be more devoted to the Lord in body and spirit as they have no family to care for. That was my experience as a single after 30 and I think it is still valid.
 

Prycejosh1987

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How do you view older singles (40 plus) ? Please be honest.
I cannot judge them, because i love being single, besides it could be that they were married. As long as they have the right values and belief systems its all good with me.