The absurdity and heresy of Preterism

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John146 said:
Chair? I don't know. What I do know is what Scripture clearly states.

Colossians 3:1 If ye then be risen with Christ, seek those things which are above, where Christ sitteth on the right hand of God.
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Well my wife is at my right hand does that mean she's literal stuck seated next to me? Or does that mean she's there for me, my partner, my best friend, someone who would do anything for me, some one I love more than anyone else on this earth?
 
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KJV1611 said:
Well my wife is at my right hand does that mean she's literal stuck seated next to me? Or does that mean she's there for me, my partner, my best friend, someone who would do anything for me, some one I love more than anyone else on this earth?
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There's nothing in the passage that directs me to not take it literal. When you spiritualize God's word, you can make it say anything you want. That's one reason we have so many different belief systems...people not taking the word literally.
 
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KJV1611 said:
Well my wife is at my right hand does that mean she's literal stuck seated next to me? Or does that mean she's there for me, my partner, my best friend, someone who would do anything for me, some one I love more than anyone else on this earth?
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Again, stuck seated next to me? Your verbiage does not add anything to your stance.
 
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John146 said:
Scripture does not state that it was done for Stephen, only that Stephen saw the Lord standing. This is the same usage in James 5 as the Lord is standing before the door of heaven ready to judge.
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I thought you said earlier that Jesus was never mentioned standing anywhere in the bible. It's funny how you take Jesus sitting at the right had of the Father LITERALLY but you won't take "this generation", or "the disciples going to all the cities", or "at hand" or "now" literally.

My friend you are deceived beyond measure, you need to rethink your beliefs.
 
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John146 said:
There's nothing in the passage that directs me to not take it literal. When you spiritualize God's word, you can make it say anything you want. That's one reason we have so many different belief systems...people not taking the word literally.
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I just responded to this with my last response.
 
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John146 said:
Again, stuck seated next to me? Your verbiage does not add anything to your stance.
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My point is that Jesus is GOD'S RIGHT HAND MAN. He's not sitting in heaven all bound up and powerless.
 
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I thought you said earlier that Jesus was never mentioned standing anywhere in the bible. It's funny how you take Jesus sitting at the right had of the Father LITERALLY but you won't take "this generation", or "the disciples going to all the cities", or "at hand" or "now" literally.

My friend you are deceived beyond measure, you need to rethink your beliefs.
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He's standing at the preaching of Stephen, and once again He's standing in the tribulation ready to return as judge.
 
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My point is that Jesus is GOD'S RIGHT HAND MAN. He's not sitting in heaven all bound up and powerless.
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Scripture states specifically that Jesus is seated at the right hand of the Father. If Scripture states that He is seated, then I believe He is seated. If Scripture states He is standing, then I believe He is standing.
 
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He's standing at the preaching of Stephen, and once again He's standing in the tribulation ready to return as judge.
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More properly returning to make war.
 
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Scripture states specifically that Jesus is seated at the right hand of the Father. If Scripture states that He is seated, then I believe He is seated. If Scripture states He is standing, then I believe He is standing.
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Just to see where you stand, do you believe that literal mountains are going to drop down literal new wine and the literal hills will flow with literal milk?

(Joe 3:18) And it shall come to pass in that day, that the mountains shall drop down new wine, and the hills shall flow with milk, and all the rivers of Judah shall flow with waters, and a fountain shall come forth of the house of the LORD, and shall water the valley of Shittim.
 
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The resurrection was the SECOND COMING of Christ. He came first to Mary, then he left and went to hell, then returned back to earth in all power and glory. Now could you provide biblical evidence that 1) Jesus didn't leave the earth and return at his resurrection and 2) When he returned, he didn't return with all power and glory. 3) The resurrected saints ARE NOT a cloud of witnesses.

You show me bible verses like that and I'll agree with you.
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You openly "Deny" a future second coming of Jesus Christ, you openly claim the second coming has taken place already.

Your claims are "Full Preterism" that is considered by many as heresy, and I agree.
 
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Jesus returned from the grave with POWER over death and he brought back ten thousands (cloud of witnesses) dead Old Testament saints with him. So yes I truly believe that.

The bible doesn't say storm clouds, or rain clouds or clouds in the sky, it just says clouds. Clouds can be a cloud of anything, and a cloud of witnesses is one of them.

Heb_12:1 Wherefore seeing we also are compassed about with so great a cloud of witnesses, let us lay aside every weight, and the sin which doth so easily beset us, and let us run with patience the race that is set before us,
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You deny a future second coming of Jesus Christ, "Full Preterism" is 100% Heresy!
 
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You openly "Deny" a future second coming of Jesus Christ, you openly claim the second coming has taken place already.

Your claims are "Full Preterism" that is considered by many as heresy, and I agree.
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I don't know if Jesus has a future "second coming" or not, if he does I don't see it in the bible. He's already came into my life and I'm going to heaven FOR SURE within the next 50 years.

The verses you keep posting are about Jesus returning at his resurrection, that just the way it is I can't help it.
 
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Mat 27:52 And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose,
Mat 27:53 And came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many.

Jesus went to where they were, he returned to earth and brought them back with him. So yes they came with him.
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Aesop's Fables!

You Deny a future Second Coming of Jesus Christ, you falsely claim this has already taken place.

"Full Preterism" is heretical.
 
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Truth7t7 said:
You deny a future second coming of Jesus Christ, "Full Preterism" is 100% Heresy!
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What's the big deal? So what if I'm wrong about the second coming, do you think you are right on every single thing you believe? Does me not seeing YOUR VERSION of the second coming mean that I'm going to hell?
 
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The resurrection was the SECOND COMING of Christ. He came first to Mary, then he left and went to hell, then returned back to earth in all power and glory. Now could you provide biblical evidence that 1) Jesus didn't leave the earth and return at his resurrection and 2) When he returned, he didn't return with all power and glory. 3) The resurrected saints ARE NOT a cloud of witnesses.

You show me bible verses like that and I'll agree with you.
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The resurrection wasn't Jesus Coming in the clouds of heaven, as you falsely claim this has been fulfilled.

"Full Preterism" is 100% Heresy!
 
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What's the big deal? So what if I'm wrong about the second coming, do you think you are right on every single thing you believe? Does me not seeing YOUR VERSION of the second coming mean that I'm going to hell?
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You deny a future second coming of Jesus Christ, you claim this has been fulfilled.

"Full Preterism" is 100% Heresy!
 
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Truth7t7 said:
The resurrection wasn't Jesus Coming in the clouds of heaven, as you falsely claim this has been fulfilled.

"Full Preterism" is 100% Heresy!
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That's your opinion, I respect your right to have an opinion even if it's wrong.
 
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Truth7t7 said:
"Full Preterism" is 100% Heresy!
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I'm beginning to think you're mentally unstable. You know what, you will get your chance to stand before Jesus Christ and explain to him exactly how he didn't return from the grave with full power and glory.... I hope I get watch you explain it lol.
 
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