Author's intent hermeneutic

You say hermeneutics has absolutely nothing to do with theology. But is the study of the methodological principles of interpretation (as of the Bible) Then are you saying it is the study different methods?

Like without parables Christ spoke not And how that is used in theology .

But He DID speak without using parables. Hermeneutics would involve determining when He is using a parable and when He is not. If you erroneously assume that He is always speaking in parables, you cannot interpret Scripture correctly.

Hermeneutics is the study of the methodological principles of interpretation of literature, especially the Bible. Theology is the study of God and His interactions with his creation—especially man.

During the early days of my first pastorate, a friend gave me a first edition copy of the classic work, Biblical Hermeneutics: A Treatise on the Interpretation of the Old and New Testaments by Milton S. Terry D.D., LL.D., S.T.D. published in 1890. This 511 page treatise includes a fifteen and one half page bibliography of works on hermeneutics that were published from 1590 up to 1890. Since 1890, numerous additional books on hermeneutics have been published, and I have some of them here in my study.

It is important to note in this thread that hermeneutics is NOT the study of the rules of interpretation of literature, but the principles of interpretation of literature. Rules imply a rule maker, and a rule maker raises the questions, “Who is this rule maker, and who gave this rule maker the authority to make the rules, and are these rules still in force today?” Principles, on the other hand, make no such troublesome implications.

Anyway the question of the hermeneutical interpretation being that one may use what Gideon did with the fleeces as a normal method of how to get direction from God based on this passage. Is that sound hermeneutics? Is that the correct way to interpret the reason that this story has been given to us? Or is the authorial intent (in this case the Holy Spirit) that we learn something other than that from this passage?
If one were to say that this is for us to follow and do the same when we need to know if God wants us to do something then wouldn't we want to stick to the pattern as exact as possible. For example the coat in the yard overnight idea. Or maybe how about asking God to not let it snow on one side of our windshield. It seems to me that if we are going to use it as an example we would need to make the fleece as challenging as Gideon did. If we just say God show me your will if the answer is yes have a bird sing in the back yard in the morning when I go out for coffee, and this happens most mornings anyway, are we following this example we are claiming we got from the bible? I think not.

Hermeneutics is the study of the methodological principles of interpretation of literature, especially the Bible. Theology is the study of God and His interactions with his creation—especially man.

During the early days of my first pastorate, a friend gave me a first edition copy of the classic work, Biblical Hermeneutics: A Treatise on the Interpretation of the Old and New Testaments by Milton S. Terry D.D., LL.D., S.T.D. published in 1890. This 511 page treatise includes a fifteen and one half page bibliography of works on hermeneutics that were published from 1590 up to 1890. Since 1890, numerous additional books on hermeneutics have been published, and I have some of them here in my study.

It is important to note in this thread that hermeneutics is NOT the study of the rules of interpretation of literature, but the principles of interpretation of literature. Rules imply a rule maker, and a rule maker raises the questions, “Who is this rule maker, and who gave this rule maker the authority to make the rules, and are these rules still in force today?” Principles, on the other hand, make no such troublesome implications.

Hermeneutics is the Art & Science Of Biblical interpretation.

Anyway the question of the hermeneutical interpretation being that one may use what Gideon did with the fleeces as a normal method of how to get direction from God based on this passage. Is that sound hermeneutics? Is that the correct way to interpret the reason that this story has been given to us? Or is the authorial intent (in this case the Holy Spirit) that we learn something other than that from this passage?
If one were to say that this is for us to follow and do the same when we need to know if God wants us to do something then wouldn't we want to stick to the pattern as exact as possible. For example the coat in the yard overnight idea. Or maybe how about asking God to not let it snow on one side of our windshield. It seems to me that if we are going to use it as an example we would need to make the fleece as challenging as Gideon did. If we just say God show me your will if the answer is yes have a bird sing in the back yard in the morning when I go out for coffee, and this happens most mornings anyway, are we following this example we are claiming we got from the bible? I think not.

Hermeneutics is the study of the methodological principles of interpretation of literature, especially the Bible. Theology is the study of God and His interactions with his creation—especially man.

During the early days of my first pastorate, a friend gave me a first edition copy of the classic work, Biblical Hermeneutics: A Treatise on the Interpretation of the Old and New Testaments by Milton S. Terry D.D., LL.D., S.T.D. published in 1890. This 511 page treatise includes a fifteen and one half page bibliography of works on hermeneutics that were published from 1590 up to 1890. Since 1890, numerous additional books on hermeneutics have been published, and I have some of them here in my study.

It is important to note in this thread that hermeneutics is NOT the study of the rules of interpretation of literature, but the principles of interpretation of literature. Rules imply a rule maker, and a rule maker raises the questions, “Who is this rule maker, and who gave this rule maker the authority to make the rules, and are these rules still in force today?” Principles, on the other hand, make no such troublesome implications.

Hermeneutics is the Art & Science Of Biblical interpretation.

We are practicing eisegesis by reading into the text that God disapproved of Gideon laying out the fleece. That meaning simply is not there. Which is exactly what the hermeneutic says NOT to do. In fact, the text says the exact opposite: Judges 6:39 says that Gideon told God, "do not be angry with me." In other words, "patience". Verse 40 goes on to say that God was patient.

Nowhere in the text does it say that "Then God's anger burned against Gideon." Which is exactly what Exodus 4 says about Moses, in exactly the same situation. Except even then, God's anger was not about Moses wanting sign after sign: it was when Moses told God, "Okay, I get it. I don't care; I just don't want to do it." Gideon did the exact opposite, and in fact had been quite obedient several times before he had even asked for the fleece. Hermeneutical practice says we are to see if our interpretation is corroborated by other Scripture. Interestingly, God DID strike Moses' hand with leprosy, but it was not out of anger, nor was there anything wrong with it.

Further Scriptural corroboration can be found in I John 4, I Thessalonians 5:21, and Luke 14:31-33. Jesus said that the king with 10,000 men will seriously reconsider opposing the king with 20,000 men, and that that is understandable. And Gideon's odds were far more lopsided than 2:1. It is in-line with Luke 14:31 for Gideon to go back to God and say, "Are you SURE this is what you're telling me? Because if it's not, I will get my head handed to me on a platter."

The exegesis is clear: the question was never about, "How many signs do you need?" The question really is, "Does it matter? At the end of the day, if God tells you, will you do it?"

I am not assuming. Its what he said .

Not sometimes he spoke in parables .

Its the kind of language he spoke not without .

So should we put goat skins in the grass and ask for them to stay dry over night and that the grass be wet? If so, why doesn't anyone do it?

You read an "always" where it doesn't exist. A read of the gospels will demonstrate that Jesus simply does not always speak in parables. You have taken His statement out of context and completely misunderstood it. You have also been told this several times, and have stubbornly clung to your error.

In the last day The father spoke directly through Jesus a living parable. every movement every word was tested to see if it came from the father. Not once did Jesus do the will of the flesh and its sinful desires. like us the father worked in him to both will and do the good pleasure of God. Not seen

God is not a man