Attacks on the Rapture: a popular pastime among some Christians

""As Is Clearly Seen, Any Claim Of A (Pre-Trib) rapture is 100% false, This Is (THE LAST DAY)""

Thank God the rapture is clearly defined.

Your deal contradicts the bible.

Once we see our doctrine as false we stand at a crossroad.

1) 1 thes has the dead(only in Christ) rising BEFORE the living...yet your doctrine has the LIVING in rev 14 gathered BEFORE THE SUPPOSED DEAD AT THE SUPPOSED postrib rapture.
....so that is impossible

2)the ac kills ALL W/O THE MARK....yet your doctrine has the church thriving in the gt.

3) the church is in heaven as Jesus proclaimed during the gt and is seen in rev19
Coming down from heaven AS THE WIFE. which lines up with the 10 virgins, the "places prepared in heaven",the marriage supper,the parable of the wedding guests,the 7 letters to the 7 chuches,the "escape verse" the "keep you from" verse ,the declaration of Jesus placing the gathering pre judgement...and others
Yet your deal just ignores those verses completely.

So,omit our verses and ....poooof,postrib rapture makes sense.

....in y'alls camp....through omission of verses.

Your doctrine only made sense to early believers that lived in the era of a destroyed and scattered Israel.

Israel becoming a nation reset the prophetic window.

I can tell you right now that the replacement theology and disdain for the jews is birthed and incubated in the postrib rapture.
The early church had a "reason" to believe it ,as no israel was in the picture.

Now however,you guys have a different motive.

You can't defend your position honestly so all you basically pursue is a "anti pretrib obsession "

You just dont know any basis for trying to make the rapture postrib inspite of no verses.

You only believe pretrib is incorrect.

Pretrib is the Only position that fits.

Hands down.
My verses will never be changed or go away.

You guys have no verses

"I have yet to see anyone show me anything that remotely suggests pre-trib. What do you have?"
Your standing in a destroyed doctrine that can not be defended.

Take that chapter you reference
Mat 24
Jesus makes 3 references to a pretrib gathering.

You say you can not accept scripture?

There are "No" references of a pre-trib rapture whatsoever seen in Matthew 24 "None"!

The Sons of God were Human "Men" as Genesis 6:1 shows, they were not "Angels" as Chuck Missler falsely taught and "Angels" dont procreate with humans, they arent given in marriage.

This "False Teaching" is derived from "Greek Mythology"

Your claim that the "Sons of God "RAPED" the daughters of men is 100% false, as they married them as wives.

Your teachings aren't to be taken seriously, at this point they're pure folly, in willful ignorance on display.

Genesis 6:1-2KJV
6 And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them,
2 That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.

[as a "pre-tribber" ] I completely agree with you on this point (for once ).



There is no reference AT ALL to "our Rapture" in the Olivet Discourse (ANYWHERE!), as that is NOT its Subject.

Jesus is not covering the Subject of "our Rapture" ANYWHERE in His Olivet Discourse.

Matthew and Luke do mention two bodies...they say that in that day there will be two men and two women...one will be taken and the other left. I just take the position that these two men and two women are the SAME person not different people.

I agree 100% Matthew 24:29-31 is one of most prominent verses "PROVING" that the return of Jesus Christ is (Post-Trib)

The "RETURN" of Christ IS at the END of the trib. No one who holds to the "pre-trib rapture" viewpoint disagrees with that.

I just listed a number of passages [in Post #499, for example] pointing out that very thing. That speaks to His "RETURN" (to the earth Rev19).



[Matt24:29-31 = Isaiah 27:12-13 = Rev19 point in the chronology, at His "RETURN" to the earth]

That poor person is so mixed up, it is like watching a dog chasing his tail.

Against my better judgment, I have decided to make a single post to this thread.

That poor person is so mixed up, it is like watching a dog chasing his tail.

Post-trib didn't get debunked. I just showed you what the Bible says about it. I agree the Bible should be understood it's entirety. If something doesn't mesh together with scripture then it can only be concluded we aren't understanding something completely.

What you showed me does not undo what Matthew 24 and 1 Thessalonians 4 says. There is no reference to a pre-trib gathering of the elect of any sort. There is a gathering at the 2nd coming of Christ though and that's after the great tribulation.

I'm only showing you what the Bible says. You decide what you want to believe.

So people who preach the Bible are like dogs now? Well, that took a turn. You could at least ping who you're referencing to give them a chance to reply. @Truth7t7

Sorry my bad. But pls lighten up a little. And pls carefully scrutinize TheDivineWatermark´s posts. He is spot on regarding the rapture and resurrection.

You misunderstand-------------We are looking and waiting for Jesus return when He will put an end to all wickedness.

The Bible also shows us that the church cannot go through the time of God's wrath, which will take place in conjunction to the Lord's return to the earth to end the age. So, don't just pick and chose what you want to support what you have adopted, but include all of the related scripture. Right now you are ignoring or distorting the wrath of God in relation to those in Christ. By believing and teaching a post-trib gathering, you are putting the church through the entire wrath of God, which we are not appointed to suffer.

The Bible also shows us that the church cannot go through the time of God's wrath, which will take place in conjunction to the Lord's return to the earth to end the age. So, don't just pick and chose what you want to support what you have adopted, but include all of the related scripture. Right now you are ignoring or distorting the wrath of God in relation to those in Christ. By believing and teaching a post-trib gathering, you are putting the church through the entire wrath of God, which we are not appointed to suffer.

That poor person is so mixed up, it is like watching a dog chasing his tail.

Absolutely Correct. And for some strange reason that's where they all go wrong. Conflating the Scriptures is the basis for the misunderstanding of the rapture.