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weak as it was through the natural man. But Jesus is supernatural. A word that’s been twisted in many minds to only mean demonic.
This view absolutely denies the human aspect of Christ and him disrobing himself of glory and emptying himself....Not good Stones!
 
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The walk of the Spiritual man and woman. And my finger points at myself too UG. I’ve been taught Sonship from my beginning but now I’m older and am just starting to really understand what this is about.

The millenials are getting it though. I want to see it happen.
I am really not understanding what you mean .. the sonship of Jesus?
 

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Decon, if you want to know this is true, get your KJV out and look. Or you can stay on your thread here and you will be rewarded. But, I believe God has more for you. I told you that in the beginning.

Am sorry it’s come out this way but we are farther ahead in time than we realize.
 
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Decon, if you want to know this is true, get your KJV out and look. Or you can stay on your thread here and you will be rewarded. But, I believe God has more for you. I told you that in the beginning.

Am sorry it’s come out this way but we are farther ahead in time than we realize.

I study all the time....I am not going to buy a dime store view of Jesus when the word is so clear and obvious.....sorry...!
 

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This view along with Gong show's view absolutely denies the ability of God and his word to shine through and give us truth....you both have jumped off the deep end!
As others have said before....just show me where to jump.

Im done here. I won’t argue precious gems. If you don’t want to know fine.
 

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weak as it was through the natural man. But Jesus is supernatural. A word that’s been twisted in many minds to only mean demonic.
Supernatural and Spiritual are not the same at all.

Jesus was not supernatural ... above nature .. that is not biblical.

I am a little shocked by the statement actually.
 
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You aren’t understanding the whole picture.

How do you explain Romans 8?
No....I am understanding just fine...you are trying to devalue the flesh aspect of Christ and deny...

For what the Law could not do, weak as it was through the flesh, God did: sending His own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh and as an offering for sin, He condemned sin in the flesh,
 
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Decon, if you want to know this is true, get your KJV out and look. Or you can stay on your thread here and you will be rewarded. But, I believe God has more for you. I told you that in the beginning.

Am sorry it’s come out this way but we are farther ahead in time than we realize.
I have said many times this thread is an echo chamber where a group of people feel good getting likes, no matter what they post.

It got to the extreme case, where if one member of that group accidentally like a post that the others are opposing, they will ask him publicly why he like that post, and he is "pressured" to withdraw his like.

That was what happened to cv5 and I really laughed when I read that he had to "admit" openly that he is removing that like. :LOL:
 

stonesoffire

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The Bible is dual too. Literal/spiritual. Eyes mean both. Understanding still connected to this realm, and heavenly, connected above. Born from above. Ringette any bells?




Eph 1:15 Wherefore I also, after I heard of your faith in the Lord Jesus, and love unto all the saints,


Eph 1:16 Cease not to give thanks for you, making mention of you in my prayers;


Eph 1:17 That the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give unto you the spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of him:


Eph 1:18 The eyes of your understanding being enlightened; that ye may know what is the hope of his calling, and what the riches of the glory of his inheritance in the saints,


Eph 1:19 And what is the exceeding greatness of his power to us-ward who believe, according to the working of his mighty power,


Eph 1:20 Which he wrought in Christ, when he raised him from the dead, and set him at his own right hand in the heavenly places,


Eph 1:21 Far above all principality, and power, and might, and dominion, and every name that is named, not only in this world, but also in that which is to come:


Eph 1:22 And hath put all things under his feet, and gave him to be the head over all things to the church,


Eph 1:23 Which is his body, the fulness of him that filleth all in all.


verse 8. Paul- the greatest spiritual man yet he was born out of the time. This is the time.

I was given a poem about this but I had to wait on the understanding.

We are sprouts from the tree of life. Christian in the beginning were even called sprouts. Google it if you like.

In revelations the leaves of the tree of life translates to sprout. We are for the healing of the nations.

In His image.
 
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I have said many times this thread is an echo chamber where a group of people feel good getting likes, no matter what they post.

It got to the extreme case, where if one member of that group accidentally like a post that the others are opposing, they will ask him publicly why he like that post, and he is "pressured" to withdraw his like.

That was what happened to cv5 and I really laughed when I read that he had to "admit" openly that he is removing that like. :LOL:
Boy you are really something.

He @cv5 did not have to admit openly the way you imply, I am sure if he had a problem with it he would have let me know.
And he still can and I will apologize to him. I did it as a courtesy.

I did the same thing myself and @jackrosie let me know and I removed it not big deal... it happens a lot when you are on your phone.

You have a problem that we actually have much unity here .. my recommendation is abandon Les Feldick teachings start fresh and maybe you will see what we have been trying to teach you.
 

stonesoffire

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Jesus EMPTIED himself of the GLORY he had with the Father and came in the form of SINFUL FLESH and I disagree, this truth is not to be spiritualized away which devalues what Christ actually accomplished on our behalf....

end of story
Maybe He did Decon, but at His water baptism, He’s baptized in Holy Spirit. He’s our pattern. He came to give us this right standing with God, then to receive the glory. The overwhelming presence of the Spirit of God within us. The same presence that came “upon” the men of the Old Testament. The results then were signs and wonders.

Same as today? Hit and miss. It will be no longer when the body of Christ comes together as one and manifests the son on earth.

I believe the two witnesses just might be the Old Testament heroes and the the new. But I don’t know for sure.
 
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How much wood would a woodchuck chuck if a woodchuck could chuck wood?

Asking for a friend
 
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Maybe He did Decon, but at His water baptism, He’s baptized in Holy Spirit. He’s our pattern. He came to give us this right standing with God, then to receive the glory. The overwhelming presence of the Spirit of God within us. The same presence that came “upon” the men of the Old Testament. The results then were signs and wonders.

Same as today? Hit and miss. It will be no longer when the body of Christ comes together as one and manifests the son on earth.

I believe the two witnesses just might be the Old Testament heroes and the the new. But I don’t know for sure.
The glory was not returned unto Christ until at the moment of or after the resurrection.....and Jesus even prayed to have the Glory given BACK long after his immersion!

Look the word "emptied" up as found in the referenced verse Stones.....
 

stonesoffire

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I am really not understanding what you mean .. the sonship of Jesus?
Jesus is our pattern. He’s not coming for a weak body. He is making the glorious church without spot or wrinkle and this is not through good works of humanity but the same works and even greater He said, of His glorious church.


Man, I had no intentions of getting into this here when I came back. I got chewed up and spit out so many times here, I needed a break. Yet, here I am strpinger than ever.

Believe this or not ....nothing personal, it’s just business.
 

stonesoffire

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The glory was not returned unto Christ until at the moment of or after the resurrection.....and Jesus even prayed to have the Glory given BACK long after his immersion!

Look the word "emptied" up as found in the referenced verse Stones.....
I believe that was given when He ascended Decon. He was one with God at His baptism through Holy Spirit and He prayed that we would know or experience the same. We aren’t separate from God if we are born of Spirit.
 

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Jesus is our pattern. He’s not coming for a weak body. He is making the glorious church without spot or wrinkle and this is not through good works of humanity but the same works and even greater He said, of His glorious church.


Man, I had no intentions of getting into this here when I came back. I got chewed up and spit out so many times here, I needed a break. Yet, here I am strpinger than ever.

Believe this or not ....nothing personal, it’s just business.
error and can’t correct. Strpinger should be stronger.