Catholicism vs Protestantism
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here's what I think happened
you asked this question
I gave a lengthy answer here
https://christianchat.com/threads/catholicism-vs-protestantism.190982/post-4290320
and you quote part of that in post 2387
https://christianchat.com/threads/catholicism-vs-protestantism.190982/post-4291055
in the part you quote, I say, "but are you talking about an evil, satanic one world religion? Yes."
I'll try to explain more.
the issue is that the phrase "one world religion" is ambiguous.
it could mean the one world religion that God is going to set up.
or it could refer to an evil, satanic one that many people believe Satan is setting up.
so if you are talking about the evil, satanic one,
then the answer is yes, it would be satanic.
it would be required, since it's part of the description "evil, satanic".
you asked this question
I gave a lengthy answer here
https://christianchat.com/threads/catholicism-vs-protestantism.190982/post-4290320
and you quote part of that in post 2387
https://christianchat.com/threads/catholicism-vs-protestantism.190982/post-4291055
in the part you quote, I say, "but are you talking about an evil, satanic one world religion? Yes."
I'll try to explain more.
the issue is that the phrase "one world religion" is ambiguous.
it could mean the one world religion that God is going to set up.
or it could refer to an evil, satanic one that many people believe Satan is setting up.
so if you are talking about the evil, satanic one,
then the answer is yes, it would be satanic.
it would be required, since it's part of the description "evil, satanic".
I only watch the small bit of the video, it's 14 minutes long.
it looks like it's from 1986.
to me, the world doesn't look any closer to a single religion today.
we can find all kinds of things on the internet.
it turns out Lutherans, Methodists, and Baptists are involved in the one world religion movement, too.
"By 1994, Catholics, Lutherans, Methodists, Baptists and even Jews began to exchange churches, synagogues and pulpits. It was amazing to watch since it had never happened before."
https://www.endtime.com/articles-endtime-magazine/one-world-religion-part-1/
1Since you have been raised to new life with Christ, set your sights on the realities of heaven, where Christ sits in the place of honor at God’s right hand. 2
Think about the things of heaven, not the things of earth. 3For you died to this life, and your real life is hidden with Christ in God. 4
And when Christ, who is youra life, is revealed to the whole world, you will share in all his glory.
https://biblehub.com/nlt/colossians/3.htm
For we died to this life.
say Amen somebody!
it looks like it's from 1986.
to me, the world doesn't look any closer to a single religion today.
we can find all kinds of things on the internet.
it turns out Lutherans, Methodists, and Baptists are involved in the one world religion movement, too.
"By 1994, Catholics, Lutherans, Methodists, Baptists and even Jews began to exchange churches, synagogues and pulpits. It was amazing to watch since it had never happened before."
https://www.endtime.com/articles-endtime-magazine/one-world-religion-part-1/
1Since you have been raised to new life with Christ, set your sights on the realities of heaven, where Christ sits in the place of honor at God’s right hand. 2
Think about the things of heaven, not the things of earth. 3For you died to this life, and your real life is hidden with Christ in God. 4
And when Christ, who is youra life, is revealed to the whole world, you will share in all his glory.
https://biblehub.com/nlt/colossians/3.htm
For we died to this life.
say Amen somebody!
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my brother Jackson, I think you got the wrong impression from the article.
I'm not in favor of Christians participating in interfaith gatherings.
at the same time, I don't want to sit in judgment of a Christian who did.
imo, that would be unnecessary judging.
yes I believe God is a trinity, and I understand that Jews and Muslims do not think God is a trinity.
but beyond that, I think it would be good to wait until we finish talking about what Paul says to the Athenians.
that's because the Athenians weren't believing that God was a trinity either, I'm pretty sure.
Then Paul stood up in the meeting of the Areopagus. He said, “People of Athens! I see that you are very religious in every way. 23 As I walked around, I looked carefully at the things you worship. I even found an altar with
to an unknown god
written on it. So you don’t know what you are worshiping. Now I am going to tell you about this ‘unknown god.’
24 “He is the God who made the world. He also made everything in it. He is the Lord of heaven and earth. He doesn’t live in temples built by human hands. 25 He is not served by human hands. He doesn’t need anything. Instead, he himself gives life and breath to all people. He also gives them everything else they have. 26 From one man he made all the people of the world. Now they live all over the earth. He decided exactly when they should live. And he decided exactly where they should live. 27 God did this so that people would seek him. And perhaps they would reach out for him and find him. They would find him even though he is not far from any of us. 28 ‘In him we live and move and exist.’ As some of your own poets have also said, ‘We are his children.’
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Acts+17&version=NIRV
I'm not in favor of Christians participating in interfaith gatherings.
at the same time, I don't want to sit in judgment of a Christian who did.
imo, that would be unnecessary judging.
yes I believe God is a trinity, and I understand that Jews and Muslims do not think God is a trinity.
but beyond that, I think it would be good to wait until we finish talking about what Paul says to the Athenians.
that's because the Athenians weren't believing that God was a trinity either, I'm pretty sure.
Then Paul stood up in the meeting of the Areopagus. He said, “People of Athens! I see that you are very religious in every way. 23 As I walked around, I looked carefully at the things you worship. I even found an altar with
to an unknown god
written on it. So you don’t know what you are worshiping. Now I am going to tell you about this ‘unknown god.’
24 “He is the God who made the world. He also made everything in it. He is the Lord of heaven and earth. He doesn’t live in temples built by human hands. 25 He is not served by human hands. He doesn’t need anything. Instead, he himself gives life and breath to all people. He also gives them everything else they have. 26 From one man he made all the people of the world. Now they live all over the earth. He decided exactly when they should live. And he decided exactly where they should live. 27 God did this so that people would seek him. And perhaps they would reach out for him and find him. They would find him even though he is not far from any of us. 28 ‘In him we live and move and exist.’ As some of your own poets have also said, ‘We are his children.’
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Acts+17&version=NIRV
we can rest assured that we win!
In all these things we are more than winners! We owe it all to Christ, who has loved us. 38 I am absolutely sure that not even death or life can separate us from God’s love. Not even angels
or demons,
the present or the future, or any powers can separate us. 39 Not even the highest places or the lowest, or anything else in all creation can separate us. Nothing at all can ever separate us from God’s love. That’s because of what Christ Jesus our Lord has done.
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Romans+8&version=NIRV
In all these things we are more than winners! We owe it all to Christ, who has loved us. 38 I am absolutely sure that not even death or life can separate us from God’s love. Not even angels
or demons,
the present or the future, or any powers can separate us. 39 Not even the highest places or the lowest, or anything else in all creation can separate us. Nothing at all can ever separate us from God’s love. That’s because of what Christ Jesus our Lord has done.
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Romans+8&version=NIRV
Amen! If Paul had succeeded at turning that unknown God to it's true object, those converts would have included that icon in their worship. Perhaps as 'the once unknown God' or something. And whalah! A perfect set up for future accusations of paganism.😊. Thank you for your input Dan and may God continue to bless you.
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Common sense. Here's some data...
Administrations must be adapted to the time periods in which they are carried out. The administration with Adam before the fall was different from the one with his immediate family after the fall. The administration with Israel “under the law” was carried out on different principles from the present administration of Grace. This present administration is different from the one that will characterize the return of Christ. The administration of Judgment will be different from the one that will belong to the administration of Glory, when all things shall be gathered together in one under the headship of Christ.
We will never understand the truth of God’s Word if we neglect to rightly divide the subject matter. As far as we are concerned in this Grace administration, what happened to Israel in the Old Testament was written for our learning. If we do not rightly divide to whom it's addressed—the Jew, Gentile, or the Church of God, we will use one truth to contradict another truth, and we will use what is true for one group in contrast to what is also true for another group.
These different administrations are suited to different times because God has spoken everything to its proper time and administration. We will never understand the truth of God’s Word if we read into one administration what God tells us belongs to another administration. If we believe what God said in one administration and carry it into another administration that was on a different principle, we will be taking what is true for one time, and using it to contradict what is also true for another time. When we mix them all together, by jumbling the whole Bible together: Law, Gospel, Grace, Judgment, Glory, Jew, Gentile, and the Church of God, we will be very confused in our understanding of the truth of God’s Word.
What is written directly to the Jews, belongs to and is for the Jews. What is written directly to the Gentiles, belongs to and is for the Gentiles. What is written directly to the Church of God, belongs to and is for the Church of God. What does God mean when He tells us that the visions shown to Isaiah was concerning Judah and Jerusalem? It was not addressed to us or written concerning us, but it was addressed to and concerning Judah and Jerusalem. It would be dishonest for the Church of God to interpret to the Church of God what God said concerns Israel.
The present administration of God is in the time period of the New Testament known as Grace. It deals with the new covenant, and it belongs to the time that is called the administration of the mystery. It's a period in time that was not made known to any one prior to this administration because God kept it a secret since the world began. From this our Grace administration, we learn God’s secret purpose that He had placed in Himself, according to the administration of Grace, which was first revealed to the apostle Paul.
From the eighth chapter of the book of Romans, it's written to those who live in this present Grace administration, “There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus” and “that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come, nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.”
From the sixth chapter of the book of Deuteronomy, it was written to those who lived under the Law administration, “it shall be our righteousness, if we observe to do all these commandments before the Lord our God, as he hath commanded us.” However, from the third chapter of the book of Romans, it's written to those who live in this present Grace administration, “by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight.” What was written to those who lived under the Law administration is the complete opposite of what is written to us who live under the Grace administration.
We will always be in darkness and confusion regarding the truth of God’s Word if we do not understand the different administrations in the Bible. All hope for our redemption is in Jesus Christ, who was born into this world, died, and in the resurrection he became the head of a new creation. The living resurrected Christ Jesus has become the one great subject that occupies the Word of God that the church belongs to. It's this Christ Jesus that is the key to the divine revelation in the Word of God for this our Grace administration. The contents of the New Testament must be understood in reference to Christ Jesus our Lord because the doctrine and nature of God for this our Grace administration are centered in His Christ.
Administrations must be adapted to the time periods in which they are carried out. The administration with Adam before the fall was different from the one with his immediate family after the fall. The administration with Israel “under the law” was carried out on different principles from the present administration of Grace. This present administration is different from the one that will characterize the return of Christ. The administration of Judgment will be different from the one that will belong to the administration of Glory, when all things shall be gathered together in one under the headship of Christ.
We will never understand the truth of God’s Word if we neglect to rightly divide the subject matter. As far as we are concerned in this Grace administration, what happened to Israel in the Old Testament was written for our learning. If we do not rightly divide to whom it's addressed—the Jew, Gentile, or the Church of God, we will use one truth to contradict another truth, and we will use what is true for one group in contrast to what is also true for another group.
These different administrations are suited to different times because God has spoken everything to its proper time and administration. We will never understand the truth of God’s Word if we read into one administration what God tells us belongs to another administration. If we believe what God said in one administration and carry it into another administration that was on a different principle, we will be taking what is true for one time, and using it to contradict what is also true for another time. When we mix them all together, by jumbling the whole Bible together: Law, Gospel, Grace, Judgment, Glory, Jew, Gentile, and the Church of God, we will be very confused in our understanding of the truth of God’s Word.
What is written directly to the Jews, belongs to and is for the Jews. What is written directly to the Gentiles, belongs to and is for the Gentiles. What is written directly to the Church of God, belongs to and is for the Church of God. What does God mean when He tells us that the visions shown to Isaiah was concerning Judah and Jerusalem? It was not addressed to us or written concerning us, but it was addressed to and concerning Judah and Jerusalem. It would be dishonest for the Church of God to interpret to the Church of God what God said concerns Israel.
The present administration of God is in the time period of the New Testament known as Grace. It deals with the new covenant, and it belongs to the time that is called the administration of the mystery. It's a period in time that was not made known to any one prior to this administration because God kept it a secret since the world began. From this our Grace administration, we learn God’s secret purpose that He had placed in Himself, according to the administration of Grace, which was first revealed to the apostle Paul.
From the eighth chapter of the book of Romans, it's written to those who live in this present Grace administration, “There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus” and “that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come, nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.”
From the sixth chapter of the book of Deuteronomy, it was written to those who lived under the Law administration, “it shall be our righteousness, if we observe to do all these commandments before the Lord our God, as he hath commanded us.” However, from the third chapter of the book of Romans, it's written to those who live in this present Grace administration, “by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight.” What was written to those who lived under the Law administration is the complete opposite of what is written to us who live under the Grace administration.
We will always be in darkness and confusion regarding the truth of God’s Word if we do not understand the different administrations in the Bible. All hope for our redemption is in Jesus Christ, who was born into this world, died, and in the resurrection he became the head of a new creation. The living resurrected Christ Jesus has become the one great subject that occupies the Word of God that the church belongs to. It's this Christ Jesus that is the key to the divine revelation in the Word of God for this our Grace administration. The contents of the New Testament must be understood in reference to Christ Jesus our Lord because the doctrine and nature of God for this our Grace administration are centered in His Christ.
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My brother, Jesus is the only way to the father.
The only true God is trinity.
Hindu pray to false God and that is Satan, they don't know they pray to Satan, so does other religion.
They don't need my approval, but I don't think it is biblical.
On the Old Testament God teach Israel to be separate from pagan.
The only true God is trinity.
Hindu pray to false God and that is Satan, they don't know they pray to Satan, so does other religion.
They don't need my approval, but I don't think it is biblical.
On the Old Testament God teach Israel to be separate from pagan.
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I asked you
Can you show me where the Bible divides history into dispensations? or if you prefer "administrations".
You haven't done that. You have just given me your opinion (or Ethelbert William Bullinge's opinion) as to this division.
And if you are going to quote from the Bible can you please give a reference. Thank you.
Incidentally Romans never uses the word administration or dispensation so why quote from it?
Can you show me where the Bible divides history into dispensations? or if you prefer "administrations".
You haven't done that. You have just given me your opinion (or Ethelbert William Bullinge's opinion) as to this division.
And if you are going to quote from the Bible can you please give a reference. Thank you.
Incidentally Romans never uses the word administration or dispensation so why quote from it?