Approaching Matriarchal Society

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I’ve been noticing for a long time the shift in power has been going from male to female. This isn’t an equal rights movement as much as men just no longer want to be dominant. After reading a couple articles based on education statistics females are dominating in the classrooms in the west. Also many more university degrees are awarded to women. Perhaps this is related to the skilled trades being dominated by men. If a woman wants to be financially independent, a less physical avenue should be pursued. I’m all in favour for women achieving. My concern is for the males. Have young men thrown in the towel? Are they too distracted with video games and sports to secure a future in the “white collar” professions? I fear this will cause a ripple effect already being noticed. I have my own observations but am curious what others have seen.
 
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I know a few guys from high school through Facebook who do not have white collar jobs (they work in fitness, music, retail, etc.) but I think this is because they were not focused in academics. A lot of of them were into school activities and video games. I don't think this has to do with any power shift to women or any external factors besides perhaps influence from friends or lack of involvement from family. I don't think they are giving up because of what women are doing. The way to get a white collar job is to get a degree in a white collar field.

I think from now on colleges are going to be approx. 50/50 men and women. Some areas like engineering or nursing will have greater difference.
 
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I know a few guys from high school through Facebook who do not have white collar jobs (they work in fitness, music, retail, etc.) but I think this is because they were not focused in academics. A lot of of them were into school activities and video games. I don't think this has to do with any power shift to women or any external factors besides perhaps influence from friends or lack of involvement from family. I don't think they are giving up because of what women are doing. The way to get a white collar job is to get a degree in a white collar field.

I think from now on colleges are going to be approx. 50/50 men and women. Some areas like engineering or nursing will have greater difference.
The statistics I saw were in the 90s it was about 5/4 men to women getting university degrees. Ten years ago that number reversed and the expected projection in 5 years it will be 2/3 men to women. This will cause a social rift. If professional women will lose a majority of the family income by taking a maternity leave, it will start making fiscal sense for men to take a leave. Besides things like that I think boys are just distracted. Instead of desiring to work hard for good grades to feel a sense of accomplishment, they would rather be victorious at PS4. Its just more rewarding to them. When I was a boy there’s just no way I’d let a girl beat me at anything. My friend told me a girl at martial arts beat his son in a fight. He asked him if he was embarrassed. His son said, “No she’s just really good.” Now I don’t care if the girl was five years older and two feet taller, there is be no way I would be ok with defeat. I would be practicing my butt off so it never happened again...ever. I just don’t see that gender rivalry. I’m not sure that’s a good thing for our future.
 

Dino246

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There has been a shift in "gender dominance" in universities and in business, but it comes with a drawback. Speaking in general terms, women prefer to "marry up" - most women prefer to marry (or even date) a man who is more successful than she is. That means, predictably, that the more successful a woman is, the fewer more-successful men there are. Many successful women have found that there simply isn't anyone who meets their now-much-higher standards. They are finding that, despite being told for decades that women can "have it all", they can't, because the rest of the world isn't cooperating with the plan.

I don't agree that there is a shift towards matriarchy, or if there is, it's the swing of a pendulum. I would prefer that people of either gender who are gifted and who work hard would achieve success, and be rewarded with influence because of righteousness, integrity, and wise goals.
 

Roughsoul1991

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I’ve been noticing for a long time the shift in power has been going from male to female. This isn’t an equal rights movement as much as men just no longer want to be dominant. After reading a couple articles based on education statistics females are dominating in the classrooms in the west. Also many more university degrees are awarded to women. Perhaps this is related to the skilled trades being dominated by men. If a woman wants to be financially independent, a less physical avenue should be pursued. I’m all in favour for women achieving. My concern is for the males. Have young men thrown in the towel? Are they too distracted with video games and sports to secure a future in the “white collar” professions? I fear this will cause a ripple effect already being noticed. I have my own observations but am curious what others have seen.
In the historical cycle of the rise and fall of most civilizations, this is a typical trend. The society at the peak of prosperity and security no longer feel the threat of survival and therefore each generation begins to forget the importance of what was once a great attribute of men. The men who would defend the country, the men who would defend the family, and do what was necessary to protect their livelihood. While this sacrifice over generations would allow such security where women and children could seek the renascence type of luxury. Unfortunately, over time this luxury if not bridled can create generations who no longer see the need for war or the importance of the traditional male and female roles. As generations pass they begin to see themselves as now wiser, more intelligent than the boundaries of old. They begin to rebel as social revolutions break the traditional restraints and things like sex, marriage, gender roles, etc begin to be a faded line as human knowledge begins to suppress inner and ancient truths.

"I must study politics and war, that my sons may have the liberty to study mathematics and philosophy, natural history and naval architecture, in order to give their children a right to study painting, poetry, music, architecture, tapestry, and porcelain." John Adams
 
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Matriarchal societies are rooted in a particular perception of human reproduction. Very little value placed on the man's contribution. Women wield the power of fertility which is closely tied to divine power to create.

Signs of the shift to matriarchy.

The diminishing value of the man's role in reproduction.

Diminishing understanding of the nature of human pairbonding.

Women considered the spiritual head of the family.

We see a perverted matriarchy in the worship of fertility. Perverted because it is manifest in various technologies that replace natural conception.

People's lives today revolve around the power of fertility

The power of fertility becomes increasingly idolized. ,

In the courts fathers aren't even a consideration when it comes to 'reproductive right's.

The bible shows us the origin of Matriarchal society.

Gen 4
4 Now the man knew his wife Eve, and she conceived and bore Cain, saying, “I have produced[a] a man with the help of the Lord.”


Eve is the producer of man and God is her helper.
This maternal environment shaped man the murderer.
Cains descendants founded the matriarchy we call the Harlot, Babylon etc.

Adam put things right Eve repented.

Gen 4
25 Adam knew his wife again, and she bore a son and named him Seth, for she said, “God has appointed[e] for me another child instead of Abel, because Cain killed him.” 26

God is the source of life. She births a child not man.
Things are properly ordered.
The proper value of the man's natural role in human reproduction is expressed

Gen 5
When Adam had lived one hundred thirty years, he became the father of a son in his likeness, according to his image, and named him Seth.
 

Lanolin

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isnt it because of wars that half the population. DIE as only men go to wars and fight and kill while women stay home and have to hold the fort and do everything. Of course you are then going to be imbalanced when half the population are gone so women are actually forced to go to work and do everything the men do since they are dead.
 

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I see patriarchal as Biblical and matriarchy as a sign of a messed up culture. God is the Father after whom every every patria in heaven in earth receives its name (Eph. 3:15.) I've got some in-laws married into a patriarchal culture where the woman's family buys the male instead of the other way around. Actually, Anglo culture sort of does the same thing with the bride's father paying for the wedding.

Be that as it may, I do see the higher number of women getting degrees as a concerning trend. Governments pushed having more women go to college. A few decades back, women could get minority scholarships. I have also heard the option that many young men who choose not to persue higher education are making a rational choice considering the low salaries, lack of job opportunities, and student loans. This was commentary I heard during the great recession in the US when a small number of students were protesting about the 1%, and the news selectively covered that as if it were a big deal. There may be some truth to the fact that girls who go to college, at least in the US, tend to major in lower paying fields. Some of the fields of study may be more fields of ideology than true social science. It could be some young men see through the rhetoric. Some politicians treat getting a college degree almost as if it were a religious obligation, like Muslims who make the haj to Mecca, as if one is incomplete without it. It could be some of the young men see through the rhetoric while the girls are more impressionable. So more girls take out $30-$40K in debt to study Women's Studies and get a job in retail afterwards while more boys become plumbers and carpenters.

I have also heard that classrooms are biased toward girls and against boys, and the some of the teachers do not encourage the boys like they used to. I am not sure what the data is to support that.

The point some posters have raised about video games is an interesting one. It could be that too much video gaming has hindered a lot of the boy's minds and motivation by the time they get to college. Atari and Nintendo were popular with Gen-X kids, but a lot of boys in Gen-X went to college.

It could also be the effects of a matriarchical society, where boys masculinity has been portrayed as 'toxic.' Not allowing boys to be dominant in social situations, discouraging leadership over girls, etc. may also have hindered their development. Lack of proper role modeling from fathers in countries where divorce and remarriage or marriage out of wedlock is common might lead to improper development of boys. I'd like to find stats comparing college attendance with these other variables.

Women do like to 'marry up' and men not having the same education may hinder them in that regard.

I also think some of the objectives of government officials are rather foolish. If more men go into stem fields, it may be because men tend to have a wider bell curve when it comes to mathematical ability. Average mathematical ability may be about the same between men and women, but more of the outliers in the 99th percentile tend to be men. More men may want to be engineers. There are very few people who want to work 18 hours a day who are just that driven to succeed. These are the type of people who run things at the top tiers of society. And more of them tend to be women. Most women, and the vast majority of men also, do not want to work like that and have such a work-life imbalance. If women tend to make decisions in favor of work-life balance and having families, and therefore tend to be represented less in the C-suite, governments should not use social engineering to change that. Equality of opportunity and equality of outcome are not the same thing. Jordan Peterson is now a popular speaker on topics of this nature, drawing from the social science research to support his arguments. There are lots of videos of him lecturing on this topic online, or debating and discussing with newspeople or social activists who do not really know what they are talking about on shows he is invited to speak on.
 

Lanolin

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mmm well having a college degree isnt a bad thing but going into to debt for it is.
the reason why women work in retail after they got a college degree is that partiarchy still deemed women as cheap labour so they dont really get the opportunity.
 

Lanolin

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Jordan whoever it is is just spouting views he cant speak of what its actually like to be. woman because he isnt one.

if you REALLY want to know what its like to be a woman...ask one!
 

Lanolin

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i worked in engineering library and most of the school students were still male but the faculty were tryign to encourage more females. I think female engineers are a good thing as many things are designed with males in mind and not actually user friendly for females.

work life balance is really important though for both genders. Neglectful fathers are a scourge on society...worse than infidels the Bible calls them
 

Lanolin

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for example...vaccuum cleaners. noisiest things ever. have to tug around a huge cord. lawn mowers...noisy too. and cars.
 

Lanolin

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clothing for women also needs to be designed by women because when its designed by men they dont even have essential things eg zips in awkward places, useless pockets, (or NO pockets) uncomfortable materials.
 
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The pill changed our culture profoundly. Not because it liberated women from the duties to the traditional family but because removing the responsibility attached to the sexual act men began objectifying women exponentially. In turn more women hate and mi strust men exponentially. That increased disharmony ushers in matriarchy.

A Father Creator God is shelved in favor of nature god's. The institutions that exercise and discipline the intellect disappear and institutions that enable the emotions and senses rise in their place. Example: Marriage disciplines and exercises the intellect. And planned parenthood which enables the the sensitive powers.
 

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I’ve been noticing for a long time the shift in power has been going from male to female. This isn’t an equal rights movement as much as men just no longer want to be dominant.
No.. Men by and large still want to be men.. But the western society has weaponized woman to destroy men and they are doing it.. The feminists have the legal system and the police behind them and those two gorillas are what normal men have no power to dominate..

After reading a couple articles based on education statistics females are dominating in the classrooms in the west. Also many more university degrees are awarded to women.
They have feminized the educational system.. Men going to college are only one ""METOO"" accusation away from getting expelled and losing tens of thousands of dollars worth of education.. Why because woman must be believed.. In the olden days the mantra a woman must be believed caused a good number of decent black men to end up being lynched.. In modern western society woman can virtually lynch a guy just by making a false accusation.. So men are withdrawing from higher education.. Men are withdrawing full stop..

Perhaps this is related to the skilled trades being dominated by men. If a woman wants to be financially independent, a less physical avenue should be pursued. I’m all in favor for women achieving. My concern is for the males. Have young men thrown in the towel?
Yes many have..

Are they too distracted with video games and sports to secure a future in the “white collar” professions? I fear this will cause a ripple effect already being noticed. I have my own observations but am curious what others have seen.
The ripple effect is men no longer earning large salaries and many woman thus no longer finding them attractive as prospective husbands.. Woman always invariably want to marry up.. They want a man who earns more then them so that he can support them when they are pregnant and unable to earn money themselves.. But with the success of the feminist movement now woman are occupying high earning professions.. The higher a woman's carrier achievements the fewer and fewer men she will feel meet her standards and thus a lot of professional woman end up single and childless..
 
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As for my people, children are their oppressors, and women rule over them (Isaiah 3:12).
 
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We are not approaching a matriarchal society we are far past. Women have been the majority of college degrees since 1983 this is nearly 40years. If a woman calls the police because she is angry with you they will arrest you and find out the facts later. Months later. They are 2/3 of new car and home owners. They cumulatively pay zero dollars in federal income tax.

What would a matriarchy look like? 140 female only govt cash assistance programs? We became a matriarchal society when they got the right to vote. They are the majority of the population and always vote for their interests.
 
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That mother's are given legal power of life and death over children is Matriarchal.
 

Magenta

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Jordan whoever it is is just spouting views he cant speak of what its actually like to be. woman because he isnt one.

if you REALLY want to know what its like to be a woman...ask one!
Why do you assume that he hasn't? Have you ever heard him speak?

 

Prycejosh1987

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If a woman wants to be financially independent, a less physical avenue should be pursued. I’m all in favour for women achieving. My concern is for the males. Have young men thrown in the towel? Are they too distracted with video games and sports to secure a future in the “white collar” professions?
I have seen women that work very physical jobs, nowadays women can be providers in households and men can do chores that women do. Everything is possible for everybody. Nowadays women preach and lead churches. The world is becoming more fair in good ways but of course in bad ways, for example introducing Gay marriages in churches.