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dcontroversal

dcontroversal

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tourist said:
Seeing how the first bible was not printed until 1455 that must mean that no one was saved before that. The disciples of Jesus didn't have a bible either so they are goners for sure. I agree completely with your point of view, the bible says that you can know God just by observing His creation that would enable you to make a choice to serve God or reject God.
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Search the scriptures, for they are they which TESTIFY OF ME.....before the N.T. was written, and yes the churches DID have the letters passed around from church to church....they had the penned word of God!
 
PennEd

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Apostol2013 said:
I see your attempt of ridiculing me through scriptures that's a bigger crime... my wisdom is not of this world but it is of god think carefully before you speak I'm not here to argue I'm here to edify and that's what the body should be doing to each other edifying one another not causing strife grief seditions things that separates us from one another call seditions divisions .. U see I'm here just to love you I'm here to tell you that Christ died for your sins in order for you to live a sinless life if possible but remember with God everything is possible nothing will be able to be perfect but yet everyday we strive to be more like-minded to Christ we could follow all the commandments of God but without the heart in God's spirit there is no salvation Jesus said that one thing if one is not born again he will not enter the kingdom of heaven born again is not just you confess the Lord out of your mouth it is that you believe in your heart and believe in your heart makes you want to do things it makes you change it makes you want to learn the ways of God and walk-in statutes and that my friend is faith he believed he confess and now you walk in that belief that's whole heartedness . When I leave you in your prayer closet I forgive you....
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If you’re offended, and feel ridiculed by a few passages of Scripture, I got news for you friend. You ain’t gonna last long here.
And YOUR “wisdom is not of this World” ?

Dear Lord, not another one!
 
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eternally-gratefull

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jackrosie said:
Depends what your definition of intimacy is.

To me it doesn’t mean sexual.....but I can see why others read what they did into sackcloth post....Adam knew eve intimately..well...I guess that does kinda sound like sexually.
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The problem is sackcloth took the passage out of context, and afterwords instead of admitting he was wrong, keep it up and made it worse

context of the passage is sexual relations.

you can not take words out of context, But many have a habit of doing this. To suit their own needs
 
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eternally-gratefull

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stonesoffire said:
Maybe this might help. A Pastor of mine once said that intimacy means into me see.

Helpful?
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That’s fine

i believe god does know us that way

but in Genesis, the passage used to support this, it is used in a different context,
 
jackrosie

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eternally-gratefull said:
The problem is sackcloth took the passage out of context, and afterwords instead of admitting he was wrong, keep it up and made it worse

context of the passage is sexual relations.

you can not take words out of context, But many have a habit of doing this. To suit their own needs
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What about when two born again are making love?

The Holy Spirit is there also isn’t he..?.....but then the couple would be making love and not lust...


Before the fall it would have been pure spiritual love making would it?..with Adam and Eve.
Why did God give man sexual organs..how would he have known that they give pleasure?

Not being dirty just trying to understand.

Plus Jesus had sexual desires....he felt all that we felt.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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jackrosie said:
What about when two born again are making love?

The Holy Spirit is there also isn’t he..?.....but then the couple would be making love and not lust...


Before the fall it would have been pure spiritual love making would it?
Why did God give man sexual organs..how would he have known that they give pleasure?

Not being dirty just trying to understand.

Plus Jesus had sexual desires....he felt all that we felt.
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I do not think the person who used the passage to show god is has intimate knowledge of us In any sexual manner. That is what the best clearing is about lol
 
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eternally-gratefull

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eternally-gratefull said:
I do not think the person who used the passage to show god is has intimate knowledge of us In any sexual manner. That is what the best clearing is about lol
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I hate being blind and barely seeing my posts.

Best clearing should be discussion. How does discussion get changed to best clearing auto correct is getting worse
 
tourist

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Magenta said:
I do remember long before I became Christian wondering why people believed Jesus died for them. It was not just that, though, for it was accompanied by a great sense of sorrow and grief that He would have to suffer so much on our account. Having experienced God's unconditional love and total forgiveness did not help me understand either... for it was not until I was approaching full conversion could I grasp it. Oh, the wonderful cross! The song is now playing in my head :D For the joy set before him he endured the cross, scorning its shame, and sat down at the right hand of the throne of God. Yes, due to His great and everlasting love for us. Thank you, Jesus :love:
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I couldn't agree more. "Oh happy day...".
 
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eternally-gratefull said:
I am at work can’t do that. That’s also why I am using phone.
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Other option is to enlarge the screen, I wouldn't worry about it... I definitely have become less attentive to the details and my spelling is not always good... we can blame on the angst the naysayers cause us. ;)
 
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