Not By Works

Not at all. You don’t understand our position and think falsely about it.If you focused on theology it would be an improvement. So far you

Just for the record, I don’t loathe anyone. I don’t loathe anyone’s theology either. I’m sorry they focus so much on what they get from God and fight giving to Him.

You mentioned Jacob's Ladder. That may be more real than you know. I absolutely BELIEVE in the Rapture, no matter when it happens. I believe and call it The BRIDE of CHRIST is CALLED OUT, to go to the WEDDING of the LAMB, in the New City Jerusalem, in HEAVEN. And it says we will Reign with HIM as Priests, and our New Dwelling Place is IN THE NEW CITY JERUSALEM! While HE Reigns for a 1000 YEARS hear on Earth.

Has any one besides me ever wondered HOW WE WILL GET BACK AND FORTH AS PRIESTS during HIS MILLENNIAL KINGDOM ? ? ?

I learned back in the late 80's, one of the main reasons For Jacobs dream, was to convince us that GOD has created a WAY for us to be IN HEAVEN during our off Time, and On earth to TEACH as Priests, the MORTAL CHILDREN OF the 144,000. Whether it is a literal ladder or staircase, or some other way, like a Portal, GOD HAS HIS PLAN, and all we need is to TRUST HIM.

What they get from God?

No idea what you mean?

Their whole focus is the salvation they got and cannot lose.

No it isn’t and shouting doesn’t make your case stronger.

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We don't judge the person's soul for that is up to God to do. However, we do and should judge the actions of a person, the words of a person, and most definitely the doctrine/preaching/leadership of any person on spiritual matters. There are false teachers, leaders, preachers and absolutely FALSE DOCTRINE.





one problem i see with this is we are not to Judge, no? "Judge not that you be not judged" also, how can we properly judge anyone anyway without knowing motives (only God knows?) tone of voice, attitutes (we can't necessarily see/hear these in chat).

also, how can we properly judge another man's doctrine as totally false when we don't know as God knows, but only dimly, "for now we see through a glass dimly.. but now we know in part" not in whole.

also, are we not open to learning more here, or are we forever closed in our minds to new revelation? we should all be open to learn more truth, or at least not totally closed to it, no?


all these things apply to all of us here.

I attack your dogma

And show me otherwise about your position... is is called "conditional security" correct?........ so what are the "conditions" that must be met?

... still waiting

I think, you mean............ they are not will to following their dogma to its logical conclusion.

Is there a statement where we are told to tolerate false gospels?

Their whole focus is the salvation they got and cannot lose.

Their whole focus is the salvation they got and cannot lose.

Their whole focus is the salvation they got and cannot lose.

You got that one wrong DorothyMae...as we can see by their response to your post.

I have no idea where you got that idea from...you don’t even know these people.

Can you lose yours?

If so why so?

And once again if one reads Dottie's response to this, she has taken my words out of context, rearranged them to support her "being offended" by what I said. Her words are divisive to this thread.

Wrong

Our entire focus is ON Jesus and the salvation He gave us and cannot lose.

Thank you Jesus!

Sad you cannot give Him all Glory and Honour in such a statement because you do not believe it.

Sad indeed!!

Do you think you can fall away from the faith?

Caustic..........to be exact!

The problem is that there is an assumption that OSAS carries the connotations that those who believe in it use it as license to sin and sit on our ass and do nothing.

And for some reason it does not matter how many times you tell them that actually you do not believe this is the case. Everyone on this site that I know would never ever ever promote that position.

Then they tend to go to the extremes, to try and prove their point.

As they judge so they will be judged.

Exactly as I said. Jackrosie does not see that this one couldn’t write a sentence praising Jesus without mentioning what he got out of him. I rest my case!

We need to come up with a better acronym than OSAS.

It’s really Once Born Again, Always Born Again.

But OBAABA doesn’t have a nice ring to it .

I read their posts. I read the threads they start. I see it in the words they choose. I could write I don’t know why you don’t see it. it it wouldn’t be true. I do know why you don’t see it.