Not By Works

I read what they write here as they volunteer their views. So far on this thread, and I was addressing this thread, who talks about pleasing God in what they do? Many think believing OSAS is pleasing God which means they don’t know what pleases Him even though He laid it out.

Exactly what the Pharisees thought as well....

I read what they write here as they volunteer their views. So far on this thread, and I was addressing this thread, who talks about pleasing God in what they do? Many think believing OSAS is pleasing God which means they don’t know what pleases Him even though He laid it out.

The Pharisees issue was with hypocrisy and iniquity.

I’m exhorting to truth and righteousness.

I don’t see the connection.

Wasn’t Paul a Pharisee?

I have the problem Paul had, gaining enemies by preaching the truth.

Your own truth and righteousness?

I’m pushing the truth of the scripture.

The truth hurts sometimes.

You are pushing your "way of Cain" doctrine.

if one thinks of themselves as 'sinless' for all of their lifetime' after 'conversion',
then i have to wonder how they value or think of our Saviour's Holy Sacrifice/Job/Office -
and why in the world would He be sitting on the throne next to our Father, 'interceding' for us,
when those of us who are convicted and brought to our knees in our repenting???

It’s interesting that your side brings up Cain a lot. Notice what God said to Cain:

Genesis 4:7
[7] If thou doest well, shalt thou not be accepted? and if thou doest not well, sin lieth at the door. And unto thee shall be his desire, and thou shalt rule over him.

OSAS gives occasion for the sin that lies at the door to come in without restraint.

Of course not!

By the truth. There’s only one truth. It’s from God in his word. The Bible.

After righteousness was imputed to me, for the forgiveness of my sins when I first repented and believed, I now use my members as instruments of righteousness and am zealous of good works as a member of his peculiar people.

And is good for nothing.

Isn’t the kingdom of God “something”?

but, you still sin. now, you can deny it, but that would make you your own standard, which of course is invalid.

I highly esteem Christ’s sacrifice. It is precious. Without it we’d still be in our sins.

I believe and live by the scripture.

Galatians 5:24
[24] And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.

Sin comes from lust. Sin eliminated.

Galatians 5:16
[16] This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.

Sin cannot manifest itself from a man walking in the Spirit. Sin eliminated.

But have you really been converted into the Spirit? Have you truly been born again? If you think sinlessness is a foolish pursuit, perhaps you’re the natural man described herein:

1 Corinthians 2:14
[14] But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

indeed it is (i believe so anyway).


I Peter 2 : 5

"5you also, like living stones, are being built ( through working, overcoming - with God's help but also is our choice and is a dying procedure - painful - crucifing the flesh - see verses below ) into a spiritual house to be a holy priesthood, offering spiritual sacrifices acceptable to God through Jesus Christ."

11Beloved, I urge you, as foreigners and exiles, to abstain from the desires of the flesh ( crucify the flesh ), which war against your soul. 12Conduct yourselves with such honor among the Gentiles that, though they slander you as evildoers, they may see your good deeds and glorify God on the day He visits us.

Revelation 14

12Here is the endurance of the saints, those keeping the commandments of God, AND the faith of Jesus.

13And I heard a voice out of heaven, saying “Write, ‘Blessed are the dead dying in the Lord [ Matthew 16
21From then on Jesus began to tell his disciples plainly that it was necessary for him to go to Jerusalem, and that he would suffer many terrible things at the hands of the elders, the leading priests, and the teachers of religious law. He would be killed, but on the third day he would be raised from the dead.

22But Peter took him aside and began to reprimand himk for saying such things. “Heaven forbid, Lord,” he said. “This will never happen to you!”

23Jesus turned to Peter and said, “Get away from me, Satan! You are a dangerous trap to me. You are seeing things merely from a human point of view, not from God’s.”

24Then Jesus said to his disciples, “If any of you wants to be my follower, you must give up your own way, take up your cross ( following Jesus's example ) and follow me. 25If you try to hang on to your life, you will lose it. But if you give up your life for my sake, you will save it. ] from now on.’”

“Yes,” says the Spirit, “so that they will rest from their labors ( because they have laboured much ) ; for their works follow with them ( follow them - Mean Something, go with them, are Theirs forever? - and is something They did - in conjunction With God / the Spirit - but also doing - Their Part - WORKING ).”



Luke 17 20Now when He was asked by the Pharisees when the kingdom of God would come, He answered them and said, “The kingdom of God does not come with observation; 21nor will they say, [f]‘See here!’ or ‘See there!’ For indeed, the kingdom of God is [g]within you.


I Peter 2 4As you come to Him ( follow Him, listen to Him, and Obey Him - Work on Ourselves - with the Spirit's help - and drawing nearer to the Spirit - also a Work ), the living stone, rejected by men but chosen and precious in God’s sight, 5you also, like living stones, are being built into a spiritual house to be a holy priesthood, offering spiritual sacrifices ( pick up your cross daily - Follow Me - follow - an action - a Work, not just believe, have faith, wait for God to work in You , believe that He will , wait for it to happen - without any work, action, doing, trying, changing, overcoming - Works ) acceptable to God through Jesus Christ ( through following Christ, picking up our cross daily - giving up own way - Choosing The Way of Life - not Death, dying to self - CHOOSING - a Work - to live to The Spirit - not to Ourselves ).


green is me

gd9,

The scripture declares plainly that sin is brought forth by lust (James 1:15).

The scripture declares plainly that believers have crucified the flesh with its lusts (Galatians 5:24).

How can sin continue in the believers who has crucified the flesh?

And who are you to tell me I still sin?

Don’t project your deficiencies on me.

What you do not understand IS JESUS PAID IT A

And I say to you that Christ came to save sinners, therefore you are disqualified.