Not By Works
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Asking Jesus into your heart is not really how one should be sharing the Gospel.
And once again I connected conditions with works... none of what you have stated above is a work.
But you did mention suffering for Jesus as a condition of salvation, that would be a work and no where are we called to merit salvation by our suffering.
And once again I connected conditions with works... none of what you have stated above is a work.
But you did mention suffering for Jesus as a condition of salvation, that would be a work and no where are we called to merit salvation by our suffering.
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Yes it happens. There are such things as LIFE PRESERVERS whereby one throws the ring to the drowning person to pull them to safety if one can not safely enter and leave the water. I did Red Cross Life Guard training and there are also other apparatus devises whereby the person needs to exercise themselves to be saved.
Surprised you never heard of a life preserver.
Surprised you never heard of a life preserver.
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Fastfredy0 said:
Well, you are better than most. At least you attempted to answer my question.
Note i said to not give me verses saying what we must do, BUT VERSES TELLING US WHY WE BELIEVE.
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Again, a verse saying what we should do (hope) ... but not the cause of our hope. Specifically was the cause:
1) God changing our hearts like Ezekiel 36:26
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2) we, of our libertarian free will desire to hope (there is not verse to quote for this postulate
Fastfredy0 said:
Well, you are better than most. At least you attempted to answer my question.
Note i said to not give me verses saying what we must do, BUT VERSES TELLING US WHY WE BELIEVE.
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Again, a verse saying what we should do (hope) ... but not the cause of our hope. Specifically was the cause:
1) God changing our hearts like Ezekiel 36:26
or
2) we, of our libertarian free will desire to hope (there is not verse to quote for this postulate
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I didn’t write that verse. If you don’t like it you need to take it up with God. Remind Him that you don’t need to suffer or do anything close to w o r k. No praying cause that’s work. No reading the Bible cause reading is work. No loving God or man cause that is a lot of work.
I’m sorry that’s a bit sarcastic but do you see there’s like a knee jerk reaction to anything close to exercising faith shown in working in some fashion in your responses? Don’t you see that if you love Him, it’s not like working works?
I’m sorry that’s a bit sarcastic but do you see there’s like a knee jerk reaction to anything close to exercising faith shown in working in some fashion in your responses? Don’t you see that if you love Him, it’s not like working works?
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How is praying suffering? We are talking about suffering let us stay focused please.
No, you did not write the verse but you should be able to support your position and state a yes or a no?
So then according you and your understanding of that verse "suffering" is necessary to receive the promise of salvation?
No, you did not write the verse but you should be able to support your position and state a yes or a no?
So then according you and your understanding of that verse "suffering" is necessary to receive the promise of salvation?
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