LSV and MEV are better than KJV.

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Truth7t7

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Yes. More than likely its a rhino.

An animal that exists, or that its name has changed.
The critical Greek text (Novum Testamentum Graece) 1993 also known as the (UBS5) 2014, and was created by 5 individuals behind closed doors, this corrupt Greek text backs all new versions, NASB, NIV, ESV, Etc

Professor Kurt Aland was the leader on this Greek text, he divorced his wife and ran off with his college student Barbara Ehlers and married her, she also was in this group.

A Roman Catholic Jesuit and cardinal Carlo Maria Martini was also one of the five, he wrote books and was in support of homosexuality in the Catholic church

Just a small glimpse of the 3 of the 5 individuals that created the corrupt Greek text.

Gods words at the hands of adulterers and homosexual supporters, sick!
 

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It's got nothing on the Vulgate. Length of use is, by itself, no indicator of reliability.
The King James Version is considered one of the most accurate English translations in existence. A skilled committee of 54 translators worked for 7 years to carefully complete the King James translation project.
 
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This is a discussion about translations not about sex. Please get on board. The point is that words change meaning at different times, it is an illustration about a word that changed meaning.
Okay, I'll repeat my post. Please read it more carefully...

What is it about my post that said "If scripture told us a person was gay, it would not mean his sexual orientation" ??? A good modern translation would never use this type of confusing wording" that you didn't understand?

Did you miss the words "scripture" and "modern translation" this time also??
 
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The King James Version is considered one of the most accurate English translations in existence. A skilled committee of 54 translators worked for 7 years to carefully complete the King James translation project.
409 years ago!! Many things have changed in four centuries, including the English language. The language of the KJV was standard fare for a society that thought/spoke/wrote very differently than how we speak/think/write today. I have never seen a single post on any forum or heard anyone speak in the antiquated English of the early 17th Century. The translators wrote in their lengthy preface that previous translations were the Word of God and that they expected their version to be changed over time.

When you say, "The King James Version is considered one of the most accurate English translations in existence", what are your criteria? Also, what do you mean by accurate? A direct word-for-word translation from ancient Hebrew, Aramaic, and Koine Greek is impossible -- words have shades of meaning, verb tenses are different, and idioms are very different. The King James was created by order of -- believe it or not -- King James. He wanted Christianity to be exactly what he said it should be to legitimize his authority. Many, including earlier translators and the Pilgrims, fled religious persecution and took their earlier Bibles with them.

1) The King James has been revised several times. Why would revisions be necessary if the 1611 translation was error-free?
2) Read my "signature" below this post for further information about the KJV.
 
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The critical Greek text (Novum Testamentum Graece) 1993 also known as the (UBS5) 2014, and was created by 5 individuals behind closed doors, this corrupt Greek text backs all new versions, NASB, NIV, ESV, Etc

Professor Kurt Aland was the leader on this Greek text, he divorced his wife and ran off with his college student Barbara Ehlers and married her, she also was in this group.

A Roman Catholic Jesuit and cardinal Carlo Maria Martini was also one of the five, he wrote books and was in support of homosexuality in the Catholic church

Just a small glimpse of the 3 of the 5 individuals that created the corrupt Greek text.

Gods words at the hands of adulterers and homosexual supporters, sick!
Where did you get this weird information? If there is no verifiable source, it's just vicious rumor.

BTW, have you also looked into the personal history of others who have served the Lord by devoting their lives to doing God's work?

I was told in graduate school that in order for your argument to stand up, you need to try to prove yourself wrong. Give it a try!
 

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409 years ago!! Many things have changed in four centuries, including the English language. The language of the KJV was standard fare for a society that thought/spoke/wrote very differently than how we speak/think/write today. I have never seen a single post on any forum or heard anyone speak in the antiquated English of the early 17th Century. The translators wrote in their lengthy preface that previous translations were the Word of God and that they expected their version to be changed over time.

When you say, "The King James Version is considered one of the most accurate English translations in existence", what are your criteria? Also, what do you mean by accurate? A direct word-for-word translation from ancient Hebrew, Aramaic, and Koine Greek is impossible -- words have shades of meaning, verb tenses are different, and idioms are very different. The King James was created by order of -- believe it or not -- King James. He wanted Christianity to be exactly what he said it should be to legitimize his authority. Many, including earlier translators and the Pilgrims, fled religious persecution and took their earlier Bibles with them.

1) The King James has been revised several times. Why would revisions be necessary if the 1611 translation was error-free?
2) Read my "signature" below this post for further information about the KJV.
The KJV is supported by the (Textus Receptus) and 54 brilliant scholars fluent in the biblical languages, and all Christian's.

The critical Greek text, 1% minority of manuscript evidence in the (Novum Testamentum Graece) 1993 also known as the (UBS5) 2014, and was created by 5 individuals behind closed doors, this corrupt Greek text backs all new versions, NASB, NIV, ESV, Etc
 

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Where did you get this weird information? If there is no verifiable source, it's just vicious rumor.

BTW, have you also looked into the personal history of others who have served the Lord by devoting their lives to doing God's work?

I was told in graduate school that in order for your argument to stand up, you need to try to prove yourself wrong. Give it a try!
There you go pal, the Wikipedia information of the (Novum Testamentum Graece)

Kurt Aland, his second wife Barbara Aland, and Carlo Maria Martini

Wikipedia: Carlo Maria Martini

Homosexuality
In his book Credere e conoscere, published shortly before his death, Martini stated: "I disagree with the positions of those in the Church that take issue with civil unions... It is not bad, instead of casual sex between men, that two people have a certain stability" and that the "state could recognize them." Although he stated his belief that "the homosexual couple, as such, can never be totally equated to a marriage", he also said that he could understand (although not necessarily approve of) gay pride parades when they support the need for self-affirmation.[43][44]
 

Truth7t7

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Where did you get this weird information? If there is no verifiable source, it's just vicious rumor.

BTW, have you also looked into the personal history of others who have served the Lord by devoting their lives to doing God's work?

I was told in graduate school that in order for your argument to stand up, you need to try to prove yourself wrong. Give it a try!
There ya have it, Kurt Aland the adulterer, and his adulterous wife Barbara Aland the college girl, 22 years younger than Kurt

Yes Kurt's lawful wife Ingeborg and his three children were living at the time of the adulterous marriage.

Kurt Aland was in charge of the Nestle/Aland text from 1958-1994, this being used around the world as the foundation for textual criticism, and the foundation for the new Bible versions.

Wikipedia: Kurt Aland
Born
28 March 1915
Berlin-Steglitz, Germany
Died 13 April 1994 (aged 79)
Münster, Germany
Nationality GermanOccupation Biblical scholar, textual critic, author
Notable work
Greek New Testament, Novum Testamentum Graece, Categories of New Testament manuscripts, Institute for New Testament Textual Research, Synopsis of the Four Gospels, Editio Critica Maior

Aland was married twice. His first marriage was to Ingeborg Aland (they had three children together). In 1972 he married Barbara Aland. He died in Münster, Germany in 1994.

Wikipedia: Barbara Aland

Barbara Aland, née Ehlers (born 12 April 1937 in Hamburg, Germany)
is a German theologian and was a Professor of New Testament Research and Church History at Westphalian Wilhelms-University of Münster until 2002.


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Kurt Aland and Barbara Aland visiting Pope John Paul II (1984)

Aland gained an international profile due to the work on the Novum Testamentum Graece and the Greek New Testament which she carried out with her husband Kurt Aland. Both of them collaborated significantly with an international and interconfessional group of theologians on the approvement and updating of the "Nestle-Aland" - Novum Testamentum Graece and also "Greek New Testament". These editions (published by the Institute in Münster) form the basis of apprenticeship and research worldwide.
 

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409 years ago!! Many things have changed in four centuries, including the English language. The language of the KJV was standard fare for a society that thought/spoke/wrote very differently than how we speak/think/write today. I have never seen a single post on any forum or heard anyone speak in the antiquated English of the early 17th Century. The translators wrote in their lengthy preface that previous translations were the Word of God and that they expected their version to be changed over time.

When you say, "The King James Version is considered one of the most accurate English translations in existence", what are your criteria? Also, what do you mean by accurate? A direct word-for-word translation from ancient Hebrew, Aramaic, and Koine Greek is impossible -- words have shades of meaning, verb tenses are different, and idioms are very different. The King James was created by order of -- believe it or not -- King James. He wanted Christianity to be exactly what he said it should be to legitimize his authority. Many, including earlier translators and the Pilgrims, fled religious persecution and took their earlier Bibles with them.

1) The King James has been revised several times. Why would revisions be necessary if the 1611 translation was error-free?
2) Read my "signature" below this post for further information about the KJV.
The KJV was revised to change (Type Set) error, on the old hand press, and English grammar

Example: Thee-The, Thou-You, etc

No textual change as you suggest :)
 
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There you go pal, the Wikipedia information of the (Novum Testamentum Graece)

Kurt Aland, his second wife Barbara Aland, and Carlo Maria Martini

Wikipedia: Carlo Maria Martini

Homosexuality
In his book Credere e conoscere, published shortly before his death, Martini stated: "I disagree with the positions of those in the Church that take issue with civil unions... It is not bad, instead of casual sex between men, that two people have a certain stability" and that the "state could recognize them." Although he stated his belief that "the homosexual couple, as such, can never be totally equated to a marriage", he also said that he could understand (although not necessarily approve of) gay pride parades when they support the need for self-affirmation.[43][44]
I read the Wikipedia articles and found none of your personal slanders of these Catholic men. Is it your position that fallible people can't be expert theologians? Both these men were highly respected scholars regardless of their alleged personal behavior.

Remember that Peter (whom Catholics claim as the first Pope) was called "Satan" by Jesus and Peter denied Him three times.

My feeling is that you have a predetermined slander of these Catholic men; my question is why??

P.S. I'm not your pal and probably, judging by your slander, wouldn't be if I met you.
 

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I read the Wikipedia articles and found none of your personal slanders of these Catholic men. Is it your position that fallible people can't be expert theologians? Both these men were highly respected scholars regardless of their alleged personal behavior.

Remember that Peter (whom Catholics claim as the first Pope) was called "Satan" by Jesus and Peter denied Him three times.

My feeling is that you have a predetermined slander of these Catholic men; my question is why??

P.S. I'm not your pal and probably, judging by your slander, wouldn't be if I met you.
No slander whatsoever, Kurt Aland divorced his wife Ingeborg and three children, to run off with the college girl (Barbara Nee Ehlers) and marry her being 22 years younger (Adultery) simple.

Yes Kurt Aland was in charge of the Nestle/Aland Greek text (Novum Testamentum Graece) 1993 also known as the (UBS5) 2014 that supports all new Bible versions.

Yes Kurt Aland's adulterous wife Barbara and the homosexual union supporter, Roman Catholic cardinal, and Jesuit priest (Carlo Maria Martini) was on this committee of translators also.

The Truth, No slander, just "FACT"! :)
 
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No slander whatsoever, Kurt Aland divorced his wife Ingeborg and three children, to run off with the college girl (Barbara Nee Ehlers) and marry her being 22 years younger (Adultery) simple.

Yes Kurt Aland was in charge of the Nestle/Aland Greek text (Novum Testamentum Graece) 1993 also known as the (UBS5) 2014 that supports all new Bible versions.

Yes Kurt Aland's adulterous wife Barbara and the homosexual union supporter, Roman Catholic cardinal, and Jesuit priest (Carlo Maria Martini) was on this committee of translators also.

The Truth, No slander, just "FACT"! :)
1) What is your source of this slander?
2) Why do you find it necessary to slander these people?

If you want to find somebody to slander, start with Peter, whom Jesus called Satan and who denied Jesus three times. How about those Popes who started the Inquistion? or sold indulgences for money? How about those priests that had/have sexual relations with children? Your slander of scholars who weren't perfect men means nothing. It just demonstrates your bigotry.

Jesus, being God, was perfect. No other human being was, is, or will be perfect. As long as we are living "in the flesh" there will never be a perfect person.
 

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The King James Version is considered one of the most accurate English translations in existence. A skilled committee of 54 translators worked for 7 years to carefully complete the King James translation project.
Yes... and? What of it? Reading it hasn't led to your grasp of English grammar.
 

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I also recommend that you have a paper bible, because nowadays, we don't know what can happen, Christians can be tracked by governaments, and, electronic devices can fail, break, need battery charge, etc.
You will need to have a paper Bible, its more secure.
I personally think that the paper bible is better than looking at it on the phone. We can absorb more and also understand things clear and information is more naturally processed.
 
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I like and only recommend literal Bibles based on Textus Receptus or Majoritarian Text.
LSV (Literal Standard Version) is a Bible based on YLT (Young's Literal Translation), LSV was published in 2020, as an update to YLT that is from 1898, LSV is extremely literal, the order of the words in the verses are based on the order of the words in Hebrew and Greek, but it is an excellent Bible for you to study. (LSV is my favorite)
MEV (Modern English Version) is practically an updated KJV, MEV was published in 2015, it is a little more literal than KJV, but in certain points it tries to "fix" the Bible as using terms according to modern logic and not the point of view of the ancient world (use of the term "epileptics" instead of "lunatick", "lunatick" is more similar to the original Greek "seleniazomai", etc.), MEV is an excellent alternative to KJV, in fact I believe that KJV should be replaced by MEV, because MEV is better, more literal, and in today English.
I do not recommend paraphrase or Critical Text based bibles.
I also recommend that you have a paper bible, because nowadays, we don't know what can happen, Christians can be tracked by governaments, and, electronic devices can fail, break, need battery charge, etc.
You will need to have a paper Bible, its more secure.
I agree with you that paper Bibles are better than electronic ones -- for reference. Bibles in electronic format are easier to transport and generally easier to read. I'm not worried in the least about being tracked by the government because I have Bibles in digital form.

Regarding translations, I prefer functional translations as I am far more interested in the meaning of the texts as expressed in modern English -- my native language -- than in formal translations while, although "literal" are, of course, not an exact translation of the word meanings, verb tenses, idioms, etc.

Since very few people are expert career translators I find there is room for considerable error when non-professionals attempt to convert ancient languages into accurate => and clear <= renditions of the texts. Here is an example, all done by professionals: luke 14:10...

"But when thou art bidden, go and sit down in the lowest room; that when he that bade thee cometh, he may say unto thee, Friend, go up higher: then shalt thou have worship in the presence of them that sit at meat with thee." KJV

" But when thou art bidden, go and sit down in the lowest place; that when he that hath bidden thee cometh, he may say to thee, Friend, go up higher: then shalt thou have glory in the presence of all that sit at meat with thee." ASV

"But when you are invited, go and sit down in the lowest seat, so that when he who invited you comes, he may say to you, ‘Friend, go up higher.’ Then you will have respect in the presence of those who sit at dinner with you." MEV

"But when you are invited, go and take the least important place, so that when your host approaches he will say to you, ‘Friend, move up here to a better place. Then you will be honored in the presence of all who share the meal with you." NET (my favorite translation)

Clearly, the farther one goes down this short list, the clearer the language and therefore the meaning. I find that untrained people derive all kinds of erroneous doctrines by misinterpreting the more obscure translations, meaning those that are different than the language one normally uses daily to think, read, and write.
 
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The King James Version is considered one of the most accurate English translations in existence. A skilled committee of 54 translators worked for 7 years to carefully complete the King James translation project.
By whom?

The KJV was based on earlier translations, which the translators' preface called "the Word of God", and they expected it to be modified over time, which indeed it has.

The first two major revisions of the King James Bible came courtesy of Cambridge University, first in 1629 and then again in 1638. The aim of these revisions was to restore the proper text by eliminating misprints and correcting minor errors in translation. Cambridge scholars also made changes to the original text by incorporating a more literal interpretation of certain words. (These literal interpretations were not new. They had been included in the original King James Version as margin notes.)

Printing errors didn’t end with the Cambridge revisions. For more than 120 years, new mistakes accrued. Eventually, misprinted editions became a problem of scandalous proportions. Two of the leading universities in England—Cambridge (again) and Oxford—began work on updated standard editions. Francis Sawyer Parris oversaw the Cambridge edition, and Benjamin Blayney oversaw the Oxford edition. The Cambridge edition was finished first, in 1760, but the Oxford version, which was finished nine years later, superseded it.

Blayney’s exacting work on the Oxford revision calls to mind Psalm 12:6: “The words of the Lord are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times.”

His revisions fall into five categories. The first is the use of italics. Blayney used italics to identify words that are inserted into a passage to make the meaning clear but aren’t found in the original Hebrew or Greek text.

The original 1611 version used small “roman” type to identify such words. Because of printer’s errors and other factors, however, not all of those words were properly identified. The 1769 Oxford edition is much more heavily italicized than the original.

The second category of revisions involves very minor changes to the text itself. For example, in the 1611 version, Matthew 13:6 contains the phrase “had not root.” In the 1769 version, the phrase is changed to “had no root.”

The third category involves spelling (“sinnes” is changed to “sins”), capitalization (“holy Ghost” is changed to “Holy Ghost”), and punctuation. In the century and a half since the original version was written, the rules of writing had changed. Spelling, capitalization, and punctuation had become more standardized. Blayney attempted to introduce this standardization into the Bible text.

The fourth category involves changes to the margin notes, including removing references to the Apocrypha.

The fifth category involves correcting a handful of printing errors, including changing “might” to “night” in Matthew 26:34

(Source: Thomas Nelson Bibles)

The King James Bible, a.k.a., the Authorized Version, is just that: a version. There has been tremendous progress in the last four centuries in Bible translation science and there are many more ancient texts, both Scripture and not, that professional translators from many backgrounds and faiths use to give us the great Bibles that we have today. It's time to make a change, my friend, into the same language by which you read, write (above), and think.