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cv5

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#61
We have to bare in mind that C-19 is just beginning though. If someone has preexisting conditions they risk not surviving it. If someone catches it and survives it then they have a certain amount of damage from c-19 to their organs and so if they catch it again and again with those preexisting conditions(c-19 organ damage) it could eventually kill that many.
The plagues of Exodus were not subtle nor insidious. Nor will be the judgements of the tribulation.
 

iamsoandso

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I don't know what the mark of the beast looks like and I don't think anyone else does, either. I know of a plague when I see one, and I have read of plagues we have had in the past.

I simply have absolute trust in the Lord, put my life in His hands, and study His word for instructions.

In the black plague it was spread through fleas it caused their fingertips,toes lymph nodes ect. to blacken and die(gangrene) washing their hands would not have helped much.
 

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i mean imagine all of north & south America, all of Japan, Korea, Polynesia, Australia -- plus absolutely everyone in Europe, dead. all of them. not one left. that's the scale Revelation 6 is talking about.
i agree we *could* be watching immediate precursors taking place, but that would be bowl #4 -- there are 3 other bowls first, and i think we'll see a kind of unprecedented word dominion, rampant murder far beyond what we know now, and worldwide famine first. plus Damascus being removed from ever being a city again thrown in there somewhere, as *someone* tries to invade & pillage Israel while a group of '
young lions' ((ooh! the USA in the Bible!?)) gripe but don't lift a finger to stop it. ;)


yes things are falling into place and it feels like a cusp - no i don't think we're there yet. that's just me tho and i'm not particularly well informed or confident about eschatology :)

We should bare in mind that these things will be seen differently by different Christians. If preterist then these things they will see as having been fulfilled in the past and so this is a natural pandemic. If pre-trib,dispensational ect. then these plagues/wrath are not suppose to take place until after they are raptured. If amillennial then viewing these literal events and tying to view them spiritually would have them interpreting it's meaning differently depending on the individual.

If post tribulation,pre millennial,pre wrath then these events (could be taking place), but then the beast,his image and mark would have to be present tense in the world before this could qualify as "wrath/plague" and so all of the events you are bringing up would then be fulfilled across the course of time and so the current events would equate to the position in time we are now at in eschatology. In view of this the only ones who would see the current events as fulfillment of wrath/plagues would be post tribulation,pre-wrath,pre-millennial.
 

iamsoandso

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The plagues of Exodus were not subtle nor insidious. Nor will be the judgements of the tribulation.
When this was taking place in New York and I had the luxury of watching it unfold on TV but could still change the channel it did seem a bit subtle,insidious. At the moment I have at least five family members being tested/retested for c-19 and no longer see it that way. I live outside the Houston area and am originally from there. From what I am in the midst of witnessing I cannot describe it as subtle or insidious but just being fair I do now understand that we are as if standing waiting in line for our turn at this and everyone I see in line in front of me no longer have those doubts.
 
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We should bare in mind that these things will be seen differently by different Christians. If preterist then these things they will see as having been fulfilled in the past and so this is a natural pandemic. If pre-trib,dispensational ect. then these plagues/wrath are not suppose to take place until after they are raptured. If amillennial then viewing these literal events and tying to view them spiritually would have them interpreting it's meaning differently depending on the individual.

If post tribulation,pre millennial,pre wrath then these events (could be taking place), but then the beast,his image and mark would have to be present tense in the world before this could qualify as "wrath/plague" and so all of the events you are bringing up would then be fulfilled across the course of time and so the current events would equate to the position in time we are now at in eschatology. In view of this the only ones who would see the current events as fulfillment of wrath/plagues would be post tribulation,pre-wrath,pre-millennial.
the whole purpose of this so called plague is to ruin the worlds economy, have mankind as economic slaves, a lot of there freedoms removed, and to pave the way for the new world order, one world religion and of course the anti christ. The plagues will occur during the reign of the new world order, but I do stand to be corrected. Here in Australia I am seeing there agenda playing out right here in my city, and the lies are blatantly obvious, but trying to convince recalcitrants of that is almost impossible, its like sheep to the slaughter .
 

JaumeJ

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No offense, but shouldn't a pandemic result in at least a 50% ratio between those who unfortunately contract Covid to those who die from it? Worldwide, it's about a 2% ratio. Hard to believe this is a pandemic, let alone a plague from God. I do believe if this evolved Italian Version makes its visit worldwide there will be more deaths. Italy is known for its smokers. And the Wuhan Covid was proven the nicotine in daily smokers kept the Wuhan version from being able set up house and mutate. But the Italian Version seems like smokers are getting it this round. Time will tell.
I believe it is pandemic because it has spread around this tired old world.

It seems less perhaps, because of the warnings of its beginning in China,, Italy, Spain and the UK, not to mention the US and Brazil, oh, and Mexico.

The plague has not disappeared. Now my personal thinking is that man brought this on himself and our Father has allowed it to continue. No matter what opinions are, our Father is in total charge of all that is, ever was and ever will be. Praise Jesus/Yeshua, amen.
 

Nehemiah6

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#69
I don't think that knowing where or how it started is any indication that the Lord is not in control of our world.
God is sovereign over His universe, but He does not instigate or encourage wickedness and evil. The godless Chinese Communists had already put the West on notice decades ago. Their plan was to destroy the West and make China dominant, and that is exactly what happened. Even the World Health Organization was under Chinese control (as has now become evident).
 

iamsoandso

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the whole purpose of this so called plague is to ruin the worlds economy, have mankind as economic slaves, a lot of there freedoms removed, and to pave the way for the new world order, one world religion and of course the anti christ. The plagues will occur during the reign of the new world order, but I do stand to be corrected. Here in Australia I am seeing there agenda playing out right here in my city, and the lies are blatantly obvious, but trying to convince recalcitrants of that is almost impossible, its like sheep to the slaughter .

See post #63 everyone stopped watching but a very few.
 

Nehemiah6

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it was a natural occurring virus (possible from bats in the lab) and it infected a worker who then unknowingly spread it in the public.
Thanks for promoting CHINESE DISINFORMATION.

They love the *useful idiots* in the West who gladly promote and propagate their propaganda (especially all the mainstream media which have been bought and paid for by China).

'Coronavirus did NOT come from animals in Wuhan market': Landmark study suggests it was taken into the area by someone already infected - as Beijing thwarts efforts to establish source of Covid-19
  • Specialist biologists suggest the virus was taken into the market by a human
  • The virus was surprisingly 'already pre-adapted to human transmission'
  • It comes as Beijing thwarts global efforts to establish the source of the virus
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...dy-Virus-didnt-come-animals-Wuhan-market.html

How can a virus already be pre-adapted to human transmission unless it was first MANIPULATED in a laboratory?

What should now be crystal clear to Christians at least is that the truth regarding this virus and the pandemic has been DELIBERATELY suppressed. Since so many scientists and agencies have been dependent on China, since China itself has planted its agents in labs and universities worldwide, since China lied about the date of outbreak as well as the origin, since China continues to hide its complicity and threatens countries who will expose it, we should simply understand two things: (1) God was definitely not behind this so-called "plague" and (2) we will never learn the truth about this matter.
 
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I believe it is pandemic because it has spread around this tired old world.

It seems less perhaps, because of the warnings of its beginning in China,, Italy, Spain and the UK, not to mention the US and Brazil, oh, and Mexico.

The plague has not disappeared. Now my personal thinking is that man brought this on himself and our Father has allowed it to continue. No matter what opinions are, our Father is in total charge of all that is, ever was and ever will be. Praise Jesus/Yeshua, amen.



You mentioned something that goes along with a couple of buddies of mine are claiming. Both work in the Scientific Fields. Their beliefs are this virus has been around for some time now. That millions of years ago it existed. And as Earth has went through its many phases, this virus ultimately was covered up. But when humans eat the Species of bats and snakes, which both are known to be carriers of massive diseases and viruses, they unleashed this hidden virus.

I am not claiming to believe this "theory," but I do find it could be credible if the Earth was in fact 100,000 years old.

Either way, and like you mentioned about God allowing it to be unleashed, there is nothing saying that God did not unleash this virus thousands of years ago and hid it. And his plan was to eventually allow people who eat Species that carry this virus, to be unleashed at this current moment in history.
 

JaumeJ

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You mentioned something that goes along with a couple of buddies of mine are claiming. Both work in the Scientific Fields. Their beliefs are this virus has been around for some time now. That millions of years ago it existed. And as Earth has went through its many phases, this virus ultimately was covered up. But when humans eat the Species of bats and snakes, which both are known to be carriers of massive diseases and viruses, they unleashed this hidden virus.

I am not claiming to believe this "theory," but I do find it could be credible if the Earth was in fact 100,000 years old.

Either way, and like you mentioned about God allowing it to be unleashed, there is nothing saying that God did not unleash this virus thousands of years ago and hid it. And his plan was to eventually allow people who eat Species that carry this virus, to be unleashed at this current moment in history.
A word I do not use frequently, intriguing. Yes, I have heard of the bat eaters and more. Also I have heard that the source of this particular pandemic is mankind-s mistreatment of the creation, animals in particular. Everything I have read or heard points to man, of all things. Thank you for your posting, you snagged me.
 
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A word I do not use frequently, intriguing. Yes, I have heard of the bat eaters and more. Also I have heard that the source of this particular pandemic is mankind-s mistreatment of the creation, animals in particular. Everything I have read or heard points to man, of all things. Thank you for your posting, you snagged me.


Years ago I was studying the Essene's. And I found a version of Matthew 24 supposedly connected to them. Within that version, Christ was emphatic about hating the bloodshed of innocent animals, His creation, for food consumption. It gave more insight to why the Essene's were vegan in their diets. But it does go along with your statement concerning the mistreatment of animals.
 

JaumeJ

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Years ago I was studying the Essene's. And I found a version of Matthew 24 supposedly connected to them. Within that version, Christ was emphatic about hating the bloodshed of innocent animals, His creation, for food consumption. It gave more insight to why the Essene's were vegan in their diets. But it does go along with your statement concerning the mistreatment of animals.
One day, talking to my Mom she confided in me that the older she is the less she likes meat. I had already reached that stage. Actually I am getting to the point where it bothers me to eat much of anything. No, I do not believe it is a sin, but it truly is odd how so many foods, especially as the vegetarians may say, food made from any thing with eyes, is almost a turn off.
Perhaps this is the normal way for us, who knows? Thank you, and I appreciate the comment on what you read in the Essenes version of Matthew. May you always be blessed in Jesus/Yeshua...
 

cv5

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#76
Thanks for promoting CHINESE DISINFORMATION.

They love the *useful idiots* in the West who gladly promote and propagate their propaganda (especially all the mainstream media which have been bought and paid for by China).

'Coronavirus did NOT come from animals in Wuhan market': Landmark study suggests it was taken into the area by someone already infected - as Beijing thwarts efforts to establish source of Covid-19
  • Specialist biologists suggest the virus was taken into the market by a human
  • The virus was surprisingly 'already pre-adapted to human transmission'
  • It comes as Beijing thwarts global efforts to establish the source of the virus
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...dy-Virus-didnt-come-animals-Wuhan-market.html

How can a virus already be pre-adapted to human transmission unless it was first MANIPULATED in a laboratory?

What should now be crystal clear to Christians at least is that the truth regarding this virus and the pandemic has been DELIBERATELY suppressed. Since so many scientists and agencies have been dependent on China, since China itself has planted its agents in labs and universities worldwide, since China lied about the date of outbreak as well as the origin, since China continues to hide its complicity and threatens countries who will expose it, we should simply understand two things: (1) God was definitely not behind this so-called "plague" and (2) we will never learn the truth about this matter.
COVID demonstrates gain of function attributes and splice sites that make it perfectly obvious that it has been deliberately engineered in the lab.

BTW....Scribe is some kind on a fraud or troll IMO.
 

oyster67

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#77
Coronavirus is a plague sent by the Lord, and scripture tells us a lot about plagues and what to do about them. When the Lord decided to destroy Sodom, Abraham pleaded for God not to do that. When Abraham asked the Lord if he would destroy all if there were righteous people found in the city the Lord replied in Genesis 18:32 “I will not destroy it on account of 10”.

In Matt. 24:22 we are told of the last days plagues: “but those days will be limited, because of the elect”.
God did destroy Sodom, and He will destroy the world. People need to be saved out of the world.
 
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Thanks for promoting CHINESE DISINFORMATION.

They love the *useful idiots* in the West who gladly promote and propagate their propaganda (especially all the mainstream media which have been bought and paid for by China).

'Coronavirus did NOT come from animals in Wuhan market': Landmark study suggests it was taken into the area by someone already infected - as Beijing thwarts efforts to establish source of Covid-19
  • Specialist biologists suggest the virus was taken into the market by a human
  • The virus was surprisingly 'already pre-adapted to human transmission'
  • It comes as Beijing thwarts global efforts to establish the source of the virus
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...dy-Virus-didnt-come-animals-Wuhan-market.html

How can a virus already be pre-adapted to human transmission unless it was first MANIPULATED in a laboratory?

What should now be crystal clear to Christians at least is that the truth regarding this virus and the pandemic has been DELIBERATELY suppressed. Since so many scientists and agencies have been dependent on China, since China itself has planted its agents in labs and universities worldwide, since China lied about the date of outbreak as well as the origin, since China continues to hide its complicity and threatens countries who will expose it, we should simply understand two things: (1) God was definitely not behind this so-called "plague" and (2) we will never learn the truth about this matter.
I suppose there is always a certain level of trust we have to have in the information we use to form our opinions. Some trust their suspicions, some trust the credibility of their sources from conspiracy theory writers, or video producers, some trust the data coming out of organizations CDC, FDA, US government agencies involved in task forces, vaccine research etc. Unless we are on the front lines involved in the investigation as to the source of the virus, or unless we an infectious disease specialist we all are having a certain amount of trust in the credibility of our sources. Choose wisely.
 

JaumeJ

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#79
So many, so young,, and some old who simply do not remember how the weapons of mass destruction never existed in Iraq. I felt strongly they did not exist because our intelligence services are such there would have been evidence supplied, but no.

On the basis of this motive of Sadam Hussein, hundreds of thousands were killed in an invasion with no declaration of war.

AFterwards when President B.W. Bush admitted the eveidence did not show any WMD-s, he declared he simply did not care, that he would do the same again.

What now, bomb Peking? Wake up and be reasonable. It is certain if a country as well armed as is China wanted it could wage a perfectly normal war. Look at history and see who has been wronged over and over.

I do not believe for a moment that Jesus/Yeshua would approve of this smear campaign in His Name according to so many holy brethren........not for a second.
 

crossnote

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I do not believe for a moment that Jesus/Yeshua would approve of this smear campaign in His Name according to so many holy brethren........not for a second.
Right Comrade, ten million persecuted Holy Chinese Christian's would agree China is involved in a smear campaign to wipe out Christian's.