THIRD TEMPLE NEWS

Your meaning Dispensationist like Mid Acts Dispensationist right? As for me, an futurist, the next temple is the kingdom of the beast,aka one world government.

Its a evil generation that seeks after a sign as lying wonders . No sign is given

Its already here it began in the garden by the god of this world. The father of lies. Those kingdoms will become our Savior's in the new heavens and earth.

Satan offered them to the Son of man Jesus .But the father gave his apostle Jesus words to rebuke the lying spirit . Three times with three denoting the end of the matter. Jesus revealed the will of the father as it is written

Strike three struck him out. Sent him to the bottomless dugout.

Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them; And saith unto him, All these things will I give thee, if thou wilt fall down and worship me. Then saith Jesus unto him, Get thee hence, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve. Mathew 4: 8-10

So your meaning the Herod's who were Edomites https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herodian_dynasty ? Why would God destroy the Jews/Israelite's for something Edomite(forced to convert to Judaism) kings given power by Rome did? Still the ten generals of Israel and the others rebelled in the revolts(1,2,3) so even if the Herod's worshiped Caesar and Rome the Jews in the revolt did not.

That's the point the Romans(beast) isn't suppose to exist after Revelation 19:21 but they existed for hundreds of years after ad70 and split into the eastern and western empires and onward still after that.

Your meaning Dispensationist like Mid Acts Dispensationist right? As for me, an futurist, the next temple is the kingdom of the beast,aka one world government.

It seems as if everyone's first thought is to say what ever it takes to defend ones camp in eschatology. Rare few say the things they see the bible saying because if they say something wrong according to their camps position then they will be ridiculed. "Defend the camps position",,, this is how we learned to separate our selves from the camps.

History tends to repeat, doesn't it? As Rome was the one-world government in the known world of it's day, we have the same thing happening again today. There was a time when the same could have been said of Great Britain. I just don't see any Biblical predictions of the end of our age as I see those predictions fulfilled at the end of the last age, the end of the Jewish Age as God's Chosen people Age. This is why I believe we are in the Millennial Kingdom Age now, AKA the Church Age as the Bride of Christ, where Israel was the Bride of God, the Father. That Bride of God (Israel) was unfaithful so it didn't end well for them. Do you think today's Church is fairing any better? Correction, there is a tiny bit of Rev 20 that I see as future which will happen at the end of our age. I think the table is being set for it.

Revelations 20 is a parable to those who do walk by faith (the unseen mystery made known )

We do not know God after the political nations as kingdom of sects of the world. The work was finished when our unseen Lord and God working in the Son of Man, Jesus gave Jesus the apostle prophet words ."It is finished."

The veil was rent, the sun became dark the moon into blood. No light from the Sun. The earth quaked all signs as a true indication it was finished . Opening the ressurection gate to the many rooms of the Mansion the new Jerusalem prepared as His bride.

We walk by the unseen eternal called faith .It the faith of Christ is that which works in us. It must be mixed with the temporal things seen the historical. if not we do not find rest yoked with Christ who does make our burden dying lighter

Strengthening the inner man the new creature.

We do not wrestles against the things seen and neither are supported by the things of the flesh. Political nations. .Therefore some making the gospel understanding to no effect that is hid in the parable . Parables are designed to teach us how to walk by faith the unseen eternal .Without them Christ spoke not.

Wow vco. Your thread got high jacked. Let me know when you get back to temple Stuff I would have to put 2 people On ignore To see relevant stuff. I can do that but I try not to use ignore much

History tends to repeat, doesn't it? As Rome was the one-world government in the known world of it's day, we have the same thing happening again today. There was a time when the same could have been said of Great Britain. I just don't see any Biblical predictions of the end of our age as I see those predictions fulfilled at the end of the last age, the end of the Jewish Age as God's Chosen people Age. This is why I believe we are in the Millennial Kingdom Age now, AKA the Church Age as the Bride of Christ, where Israel was the Bride of God, the Father. That Bride of God (Israel) was unfaithful so it didn't end well for them. Do you think today's Church is fairing any better? Correction, there is a tiny bit of Rev 20 that I see as future which will happen at the end of our age. I think the table is being set for it.

Jesus gives us the answer. The below applies to everybody. The zealots didn't accept Messiah either. If they had, they would have become disciples.

Luke 19: 43 For days will come upon you when your enemies will build an embankment around you, surround you and close you in on every side, 44 and level you, and your children within you, to the ground; and they will not leave in you one stone upon another, because you did not know the time of your visitation.”

Peter echoes this:

Acts 3: 22 For Moses truly said to the fathers, ‘The Lord your God will raise up for you a Prophet like me from your brethren. Him you shall hear in all things, whatever He says to you. 23 And it shall be that every soul who will not hear that Prophet shall be utterly destroyed from among the people.’

Those wicked Jewish religious leaders who took the mark killed Christ and many of His followers. They got a special place in Hell for doing that because they grieved the Holy Spirit. While it was a 3-way civil war, Christ saw only two sides, those who accepted Him as their Messiah and those who did not. Christ did not come to bring peace, He came with a sword to divide the House of Israel in two and a divided House cannot stand, thus it fell in 70 AD.

I have an answer for this but you aren't going to like it. Your first impulse would be to disregard my explanation without giving it serious thought. This short question would take pages to fully explain but I'll try to make it as short as possible. Revelation is full of metaphors, one word actually means something else and John borrows symbols from the OT prophets. In a lot of cases, this symbolism has both spiritual and literal meanings. Yes, the Beast was the Roman empire but the beast was also it's leaders, "Caesar is Rome and Rome is Caesar" they used to say. Before I explain Rev 19 we must first look at Rev 9 where Titus is introduced because Rev 19 is the reverse of Rev 9.

11 And they had as king over them the angel of the bottomless pit (or Abyss), whose name in Hebrew is Abaddon, but in Greek he has the name Apollyon.

I believe Titus was the "angel of the bottomless pit" mentioned here. The "Abyss" or "bottomless pit" or "Lake of Fire" all mean the same thing. In the spiritual realm, we know this place as Sheol or Hades, the underworld realm of the spiritually dead - a place of torment and separation from God. Apollyon is a play on words for “Apollo” (Apollon in Greek) and “destroyer” a perfect description of Titus, the general of Legio XV Apollonaris (the 15th Apollonian Legion) who destroyed Jerusalem and its Temple in A.D. 70 after tormenting them for five months with his scorpion dark-throwing machines. Apollyon is called “the angel of the Abyss.” (Revelation 9:11) Here Titus as Apollyon is said to rise out of the Abyss (the lake of fire) when he arrives at Jerusalem in A.D. 70 with his army. Notice Titus was ALIVE before he arrived in Jerusalem to besiege the city. In other words, Titus was ALIVE when he was previously in the Abyss (lake of fire). So if Titus was PHYSICALLY ALIVE before he ROSE out of the Abyss (lake of fire) obviously he would still be ALIVE when he was cast back into Abyss (the lake of fire) just as is stated in Rev 19:20: “The two of them were thrown ALIVE into the fiery lake of burning sulfur.”

In the OT and throughout Revelation the "earth" symbolizes a specific land, usually Israel while the sea symbolizes a foreign nation, in this case, Rome. Additionally, when the Jews were in the holy land they were "alive," but when they were taken into captivity, they were "dead." Thus when they were restored to their land, they were "resurrected," made alive again. We see this symbolism in Ezekiel 37, Valley of Dry Bones. Here Ezekiel uses resurrection motif to describe Israel's return following Babylonian captivity. The same symbolism is denoted in Isaiah 28:14-18. In Isaiah 28:14-18 the leaders of Judah are said to have made a “covenant with death” and an “agreement with Sheol.” Like the Abyss/lake of fire, Sheol is another name for the realm of the dead. This “covenant with death” and “agreement with Sheol” poetically refers to the treaty Ahaz, king of Judah, made with Assyria to destroy the king of Israel, Pekah, and the king of Syria, Rezin. Thus in Isaiah 28:14-18 foreign nations like Assyria are called “Sheol” and “death.” I further believe Titus was the rider of the pale horse of the fourth seal where his name is Death and Hades, but let's not digress.

In Ezek 37, the meaning of the vision is explained to Ezekiel where this resurrection is a metaphor for the return of the Jews from exile: “Therefore prophesy and say to them: ‘This is what the Sovereign Lord says: My people, I am going to open your graves and bring you up from them; I will bring you back to the land of Israel.” (Ez 37:12.) If the return of the Jews from foreign nations is an symbolic of the resurrection of the dead, what does that imply when one leaves Israel? This departure out of Israel to foreign nations according to Ezekiel 37 represents the metaphorical death of the Jews. The same meaning is found in many other verses in the Bible and even appears in the Midrash Psalm 116:3 where “the power of the netherworld [Sheol/Abyss]” of Hosea 13:14 is interpreted as “the kingdoms” of the world. The same meaning appears implied in Rev 19:20 where the beast and false prophet are thrown into the Abyss (lake of fire) in A.D. 70. Here the departure of the beast to Rome, the Abyss/death/lake of fire, is symbolically denoting the death of the beast, as is often the case in the Bible and Jewish tradition.

The fact that Titus and Vespasian “were thrown alive into the fiery lake of burning sulfur” is echoed in 2 Thessalonians 2:8 which literally reads, “And then the Lawless One will be revealed, whom the Lord Jesus will take away with the breath of his mouth and do away with by the splendor of his coming.” Echoing this interpretation of Revelation 19:20 Titus is taken away and done away with in 2 Thessalonians 2:8 having left Jerusalem for Rome, the Abyss, at the fall of the city in A.D. 70. Thus Revelation 19:20 and 2 Thessalonians 2:8 are both fulfilled in Titus’ departure to Rome, the Abyss, in A.D. 70 after Jerusalem fell.

You assume, as many do, that the casting of the beast and false prophet into the lake of fire must be fulfilled in the geopolitical fall of a kingdom. The lake of fire is the Abyss (Rev 9). The kingdom of the beast never fell geopolitically when it received its fatal wound (Rev 13:3) and was originally cast into the Abyss (Rev 9; 11:7; 17:8) and the outer darkness of death (Rev 16:10). If the beast never fell geopolitically when it was originally cast into the Abyss/lake of fire, why would it suddenly fall when it is cast into the Abyss/lake of fire again in Rev 19:20?

In fact, the kingdom of the beast could not fall even at the death of the beast in light of Daniel 7:11-12: “I kept looking until the beast was slain and its body destroyed and thrown into the blazing fire. (The other beasts had been stripped of their authority, but were allowed to LIVE for a period of time.)” The “other beasts” of Dan 7:12 are Babylon, Medo-Persia and Greece which all fell long before the fourth beast came to power. Notice that these three empires “were allowed to live” after they “had been stripped of their authority.” In other words, Babylon, Medo-Persia and Greece were still alive after they had fallen geopolitically. If “death” symbolizes the geopolitical fall of a kingdom, why are these three empires explicitly said to live after they had fallen?

Spiritually speaking today, both Vespasian and Titus are most likely in the spiritual lake of fire as we speak where they would burn forever along with those who took the mark - the Jewish religious leaders who killed Christ.

Yep I agree I noticed it was high jacked from the second post onward. By post #103 you were answering whether or not this was an everyone post their conspiracy theory thread or not. Now that it's on page 99 it's not any different from the first few pages.

I joined CC in 2012 because a friend of mine had been a member and tried asking the different eschatological camps here questions about these things and afterwards began to think that the bible nor God were true at all. After listening to him his chief argument was that if you ask ten preterist something you would get ten different answers. He said the same of the dispensationist and the Amils ect. ect.

I agree with him about none of the group members of the different camps not giving the same answers. That has been my experience also when I ask the different questions I ask. Asking questions about the comments in peoples post though comes at a price I notice. I think that the intention is that the ones outside the different camps are suppose to just listen and never question why they say the things they do. I still believe in the bible and God but not everyone does after watching many of you debate these issues in fact they are convinced that you don't really know your own selves.

No. The bolded part is from a KJV of the bible on the E-Sword app which is a free to download and I love it. The Companion Bible of 1611 was first published in 1922 by a man named E. W. Bullinger with 198 appendixes which are packed full of factual information and no commontary. The Bible is published by Kregel. I thought you might study from the Companion Bible because of your name on this site.

I read the KJV, not sure what a companion bible is. Is the bolded part or your post the companion part?

It was many years after I was a member of a church that practiced dispensationalism that I had a interest in the word eschatology. Dispensationalism was not making any sense. People disappearing and them re-appearing. That is taught by some like Hal Linsey or Ellen White considered the mother of dispensations'.

God does not change his way of drawing people by a work of His faith, the unseen eternal in any generation. That kind of idea would seem to represent those of the number, numbering days and people like David was enticed to do rather than trusting God . Not comparing him self to the word of God . He walked by sight after the temporal things seen .You could say comparing himself to the orthodoxly of mankind called private interpretations. Our personal commentary of what we think the Spirit is saying like fingers can differ. .

2 Corinthians 10:12 For we dare not make ourselves of the number, or compare ourselves with some that commend themselves: but they measuring themselves by themselves, and comparing themselves among themselves, are not wise.

This is rather than walking by faith according to the parables where we find that kind of prophecy that hides the things of faith. Rather than searching out the mystery hid they look to signs that can only cause a person to wonder never coming to a conclusion of faith . Therefore missing out on the gospel understanding.

When I did begin to look it would seem the key that made me wonder was the words "thousand years" a metaphor in the parable found in Revelation 20 .

Jesus who walked by faith doing the will of the father refused to et a certain date as the last day .Showing himself as not of the number. He gave signs of the times a continuation of the wrath of God being revealed form heaven just as in the days of Noah . But not as wonder a future fulfilling .It is there that the father of lies brings his lying wonders with all power to deceive, and keeps a person wondering and not believing. Not, exercising working out the source of faith as it is written.

And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world? Mathew 24

The sign of his coming is the end of the world. Dispensations must divide and hide the church as if that was possible. They end up wondering and not believing. No conclusion .(yes or no)

Matthew 5:37 Say only ‘yes’ if you mean ‘yes,’ and say only ‘no’ if you mean ‘no.’ If you say more than that, it is from the Evil One.

Evil one the author of confusion, the wonderment author.

Makes me wonder when the last day comes will he find the law of faith working in the hearts of mankind or mankind wondering numbering days and people as lying wonders . . The cause of unbelief (no faith)

Luke 18:8 I tell you that he will avenge them speedily. Nevertheless when the Son of man cometh, shall he find faith on the earth?

START YOU OWN THREAD, if you want to talk about other stuff besides THIRD TEMPLE in the NEWS.

You have to remember things you've said in your prior post like that many of the Jews in the siege converted to Christianity and the others received the mark before you metaphorically compare it to Revelation 9 https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Revelation 9&version=KJV because in Revelation 9 they can torment them but not kill them(Titus killed them) and those you say converted to Christ(sealed) Rev.9 says he was not permitted to torment or kill but did. So even metaphorically Revelation 9 is directly opposite of Scripture.

Will do captain.