LET THE WOMAN LEARN IN SILENCE - WHAT DO YOU THINK THIS MEANS?

That's what his enemies accuse him of. Christ's enemies also accused him of all kinds of evil things.

But you will not find anything shady in the original Scofield Reference Bible (which I have personally studied). Indeed Scofield made a valuable contribution to the proper interpretation of Scripture, even though he may have held some ideas with which other Christians will disagree (such as the Gap Theory of creation).

As to Dispensationalism, it is a legitimate and valuable method of Bible interpretation, since it takes the Bible in its plain literal sense, rather than manufacture allegorical interpretations.

Why are you adding to my post? I didn’t ask for you to lecture me on this matter. Does this mean you add to Scripture as well?

I haven’t said a word about whether or not women should hold a position in the church. I have simply asked questions.

I have rarely been partaking in the BDF debates because my position is that the debating of theology is for the men, and that positions in the church should as a rule be held by men. Scripture is clear on that matter, but exceptions can be made if the situation is critical.

What I fail to comprehend is the excessive use of drama and anger when people don’t agree with you. You’re not divine, you’re just a random guy making aggressive comments on the internet.

Think about how you address others. I think Jesus have a few words for you on how to treat your neighbors, even in the KJV.

I think what is happening is, people's own experiences and backgrounds are shaping their views of Jesus. Most of us know gays, immigrants even illegal immigrants, and minorities. This is different from the past where people kept to their own groups, or hid their identities. High schools, colleges, cities are more diverse now. So, the "woke" pastors may identify these groups as "persecuted" groups, especially if they volunteer and spend time with these groups. In their own interpretation they may view Jesus as a social justice/revolutionary Jesus (and they have Bible verses to support this). Another reason why pastors become more liberal is that they become pushed away by conservative Christians, so they become more liberal by default and want to disassociate themselves even more from other conservative views. For example, a liberal pastor might be upset at how conservatives can be oblivious/turn a blind eye to racism (for people who deny this, segregation? and racism did not magically end after desegregation). Similarly, a conservative pastor can't understand how liberal Christians can be silent on abortion and will disassociate themselves from other liberal views.

Where I live (near DC), most of the pastors are not traditionally conservative pastors. You have to go farther out, or go to a foreign church like a Korean church, to find a conservative pastor. I know a young female (white) pastor from Texas who fits all the elements you list. She grew up in a very conservative small town, which was previously segregated, and now she is very liberal in all aspects and has married a black man and even has performed gay marriages. She attends poetry circles and mingles with nonbelievers. She is very passionate about Jesus and her eyes lighten up when talking about Jesus.

Recently my pastor (who is African American single female) has been talking a lot about equality and racism because of current news. As my church is approximately half black (including a lot of African immigrants) and half all others (mostly white but also a few internationals), we had a "Difficult Conversations" virtual meeting on race relations and heard views from other members. When immigration stuff was on the news, she stated some things like God cares for everyone, we need to care for the least among us, we need to put ourselves in their shoes, etc (we also have a Hispanic congregation). Like many African-Americans, she is quite conservative on social issues, against gay marriage, but votes Democrat. Women pastors are also conscious of the fact that many men do not support women preaching, so they are attentive to these sensitivities. However, men who are against women pastors usually end up leaving these churches anyway, so it is not a contentious issue. My pastor grew up in a conservative African-American Baptist church, and is very passionate about Jesus, and her sermons are Biblical.

Phoebe was a servant of the church in Romans 16:1

Romans 16:1KJV
16 I commend unto you Phebe our sister, which is a servant of the church which is at Cenchrea:

No slander whatsoever, Virginia Mollenkott worked on the NIV, she was a decorated Lesbian Activist.

You run from truth in false personal attacks, claiming slander.

The progressive liberals in the USA do the same, Racist, Racist, Racist to silence truth.

1. The NIV is probably one of the worst English bible versions to come along. It cannot be considered Scripture, but a corruption of Scripture. Obviously you have not studied the matter.

The technique is using the (Sword) of God's truth, you can cry, kick, scream, and deny all ya want, but God's words stand true.

God's words and instruction are very clear.

A Pastor/Bishop/Deacon is to be a (Man) and the (Husband) of one wife, women are excluded from these offices.

The word translated "servant" in Romans 16:1 is the word translated "deacon" in 1 Timothy. She's a deacon. There's no reason whatsoever to use "deacon" where it refers to a male and "servant" where it refers to a female unless one has an a priori gender bias.


Do the homework, and don't be a donkey. You're dredging up long-refuted arguments. Her orientation was not known at the time she worked on the NIV, and her contribution was minor. It's quite pathetic that you're bringing this up.


I tell you squarely that you are engaging in slander. How is that running from truth?


I don't give a flying flip what such people do. I follow neither them nor their practices.

The word translated "servant" in Romans 16:1 is the word translated "deacon" in 1 Timothy. She's a deacon. There's no reason whatsoever to use "deacon" where it refers to a male and "servant" where it refers to a female unless one has an a priori gender bias.


Do the homework, and don't be a donkey. You're dredging up long-refuted arguments. Her orientation was not known at the time she worked on the NIV, and her contribution was minor. It's quite pathetic that you're bringing this up.


I tell you squarely that you are engaging in slander. How is that running from truth?


I don't give a flying flip what such people do. I follow neither them nor their practices.

Perhaps you could have taught the 50+ KJV scholars a thing or two concerning their translation?

You're welcome to your uninformed opinion, and you have the right to be wrong.

Perhaps you could have taught the 50+ KJV scholars a thing or two concerning their translation?

Romans 16:1KJV
16 I commend unto you Phebe our sister, which is a servant of the church which is at Cenchrea:

1. The NIV is probably one of the worst English bible versions to come along. It cannot be considered Scripture, but a corruption of Scripture. Obviously you have not studied the matter.

2. How are you so certain that James I was a homosexual? But let's say that even if that is true, how does that affect the King James Bible, since James simply authorized this translation? He had no control on the translators, who were all godly men, and would have adamantly refused to alter the Bible on the whim of a king. They would sooner have become martyrs.

3. Have you personally evaluated the King James Bible and compared this translation to the Hebrew and Greek texts? This Bible was regarded as the Word of God by all English speaking peoples worldwide for over 300 years. That included conservative theologians, scholars, commentators, pastors, and evangelists. Just go to Bible Hub and check out all the commentaries.

this dude appears to be connected or frequents something called 'the watchman on the wall ministry'

here is a sample post of his on FB which connects back to another forum (not this one). you can see his name Truth7t7 at the bottom of it. Mind you I am not a preterist myself (partial most likely but certainly not full) but this dude rants against everything and everyone and then puts Jesus Christ is Lord at the bottom as though he has some sort of stamp of approval from God Himself

Post is from 2019, but seems his style is well evolved (has not changed much)

As I said, he connects with another forum not this one, but the article on that forum is from 2018, so dude is very busy with his 'ministry'. he is not here to discuss, but is here to dogmatically force himself on everyone



Watchmen On The Wall Ministries And Radio

September 14, 2019 ·

*******FALSE DOCTRINE WARNING, PRETERISM*******
A **JESUIT** IS THE FATHER OF PARTIAL PRETERISM!!!!
NEED I SAY MORE???
Truth7t7: The False Teaching Of (Partial Preterism) From The Roman Catholic Jesuit Priest (Luis De Alcazar 1554-1613) During The Counter Reformation.
Roman Catholic Jesuit Priest, Luis De Alcazar, "A Corrupt Tree"!
Matthew 7:18KJV
A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.
Matthew 12:33KJV
Either make the tree good, and his fruit good; or else make the tree corrupt, and his fruit corrupt: for the tree is known by his fruit.
Wikipedia: Luis del Alcázar (Ludovicus ab Alcasar, Louis of Alcazar) (1554–1613) was a Spanish Jesuit theologian.
He is known for his Vestigatio arcani sensus in Apocalypsi (1614) published after his death, putting forward what would later be called a preterist view of Biblical prophecy, in commentary on the Book of Revelation; his work is regarded as the first major application of the method of interpretation of prophecy by reading in terms of the author's contemporary concerns.[5] His view was that everything in the Apocalypse, apart from the three final chapters, refers to events that already have come to pass.
Wikipedia: Preterism
Preterism is a Christian eschatological view that interprets some (partial preterism) or all (full preterism) prophecies of the Bible as events which have already happened. This school of thought interprets the Book of Daniel as referring to events that happened in the 2nd century BC, while seeing the prophecies of Revelation as events that happened in the first century AD. Preterism holds that Ancient Israel finds its continuation or fulfillment in the Christian church at the destruction of Jerusalem in AD 70.
The term preterism comes from the Latin praeter, which Webster's 1913 dictionary lists as a prefix denoting that something is "past" or "beyond". Adherents of preterism are commonly known as preterists. Preterism teaches that either all (full preterism) or a majority (partial preterism) of the Olivet discourse had come to pass by AD 70.
Historically, preterists and non-preterists have generally agreed that the Jesuit Luis de Alcasar (1554–1613) wrote the first systematic preterist exposition of prophecy - Vestigatio arcani sensus in Apocalypsi (published in 1614)—during the Counter-Reformation.
Moses Stuart noted that Alcasar's preterist interpretation was of considerable benefit to the Roman Catholic Church during its arguments with Protestants,[3] and preterism has been described in modern eschatological commentary as a Catholic defense against the Protestant Historicist view which identified the Roman Catholic Church as a persecuting apostasy.
Jesus Christ Is The Lord!
Truth7t7

as an aside there is some Patricia somebody or other that seems to be a leader and she puts "Shabbat Shalom' all over her youtube channel, so we have some sort of amalgamated/opinionated dogmatic 'preacher' here which explains his what he thinks is a God appointed calling.

believing in just about everything as a conspiracy. duh

and apparently a whole bunch of 'watchman pastors' and how to become one of them, if you look up their site, watchman on the wall

so we have an organized individual here, employing tactics rather than discussing, which lines up with his constant ad hominim attacks

no one is going to have any decent exchange with someone who posts that way

Your claim I'm affiliated with watchman on the wall is a big joke, and false claim.

I don't have a clue how they obtained my post, but I do oppose Preterism as a false teaching.

I have posted on (CARM) for years, they currently are experiencing problems, so I been here a month or so.

I have nothing to hide, does it hurt your inner feelings to know your NIV was created in part by a Decorated Lesbian Activist (Virginia Mollenkott)?

Does that hurt you so bad, your digging with every breath trying toooooo silence this truth?

Jesus Christ Is Lord!

One has nothing to do with the other, there are also male gay pastors nowadays.
I guess blame the woman for everything forever, as our forefather Adam set the precedent ("the woman whom You gave me")...