Is Donald Trump Americas Winston Churchill?

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Roughsoul1991

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https://townhall.com/columnists/wil...ald-trump-americas-winston-churchill-n2543898

https://www.amazon.com/Trump-Churchill-Defenders-Western-Civilization/dp/1642934690

If you know anything about the two, the resemblance is in many ways of a rough character with many enemies but at that moment in history where Adolf Hitler threatened the World. The World needed people like Churchhill. In many ways the actions of Churchhill halted the German invasion. As countries fell around him, and constant night bombing raids that devasted the cities into piles of rubble. Churchill was rough around the edges but if it wasn't for his actions, who knows how the war would of ended.
 

Magenta

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Churchill had class. Trump does not :oops: He alienates a lot of people due to this lack.
 
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EleventhHour

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Churchill had class. Trump does not :oops: He alienates a lot of people due to this lack.
Churchill was a statesman... knew how to lead a nation through crisis and be a unifying leader.
 
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DWR

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NO!!!
Ridiculous , just a ridiculous thought.
 

soggykitten

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https://townhall.com/columnists/wil...ald-trump-americas-winston-churchill-n2543898

https://www.amazon.com/Trump-Churchill-Defenders-Western-Civilization/dp/1642934690

If you know anything about the two, the resemblance is in many ways of a rough character with many enemies but at that moment in history where Adolf Hitler threatened the World. The World needed people like Churchhill. In many ways the actions of Churchhill halted the German invasion. As countries fell around him, and constant night bombing raids that devasted the cities into piles of rubble. Churchill was rough around the edges but if it wasn't for his actions, who knows how the war would of ended.
No, I think President Donald Trump is himself.

He portrays himself as someone the most unsophisticated person is able to relate to. His manner of speaking, and all of it. But in truth, the man that appears before the cameras and seemingly speaks in a strange uneducated manner, is quite the opposite in person.
He once said, it's a great thing to be underestimated.

While he's over here doing this or that which encourages the bias media press corp to puzzle over it and then write hateful screeds about it, and focus on that, and as a consequence their viewer or readership, Trump is over here actually working on genuine policy that is a positive for America.
He baits his haters to pay attention to the smoke in the corner. And while they're screaming, FIRE!FIRE! HE'S AN IDIOT! FIRE!, the billionaire businessman is working hard for America and bringing us back to where we should have been all those years lesser Presidents were at the helm.
I know someone who is a good friend. The man we see is a caricature to keep negative attentions befuddled, confused, and distracted. Their hate has no effect on him, a man who knows their games because he walked among them as a private citizen for decades. And navigated the mafia and the sharks of NYC politics as a contractor in one of the toughest markets in America..

The Trump we see is the facade that distracts his enemies to look over there. While they pursue their target the genuine article is in a wholly different place.

It's genius. And as for class and sophistication, Donald Trump is the epitome of grace and good manners. Well spoken, polite, well read.
 
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TheIndianGirl

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I can see some similarities in personality, in that both are eccentric/memorable. Churchill was a wartime president during a time when the British feared for their individual lives (parents sent their kids to live with strangers in the country, people hid in the subway, etc.) so there was a sense of camraderie and people rallied about Churchill. Most people know him for his wartime performance and his speeches, not much outside that or how divisive he was. For some reason he did not like Ghandi and he wanted India to remain a colony, and generally had a bad attitude towards Indians. Not sure if Churchill will be liked in today's Britain which has a large minority population. Trump is not a wartime president so it is difficult to make a good comparison, for those with limited knowledge of Churchill. I do think Trump acts swiftly and has the potential to be a good wartime President though, if we were attacked. For instance, he shut down the Chinese Houston consulate the same day the Chinese were suspiciously burning documents, I do not think other (potential) Presidents would have done this.
 
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TheIndianGirl

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Covid-19 pandemic does not count as war, so I would not consider Trump a wartime president. For one reason, a lot of people including himself do not think the virus is a big deal.
 

soggykitten

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Covid-19 pandemic does not count as war, so I would not consider Trump a wartime president. For one reason, a lot of people including himself do not think the virus is a big deal.
Some consider him a wartime President as I understand it because Covid 19 has been labeled, the invisible enemy. That then makes the measures taken to fight it seemingly a war because of the number of victims it is said to claim.

I can agree the virus is an enemy and I can see how it could be said to have been weaponized. A weapon that has curtailed the civil rights of Christians and other religious as pertains to their worship. A weapon that has left us under threat by state mandates, not laws, that enforce the donning of masks in public. Some areas of the world , as this is now global, north Korea going on lock down due to an outbreak there on Sunday, it is said masks are compulsory even in ones own house. That'll be the day.

Meanwhile, we find out we can't trust the testing numbers when we read people who were never tested are notified they've tested positive for Covid 19.
We can't trust the death toll numbers because we're told a government agency directed physicians to mark Covid 19 as the cause of a patient death even when they died of something else.

But it is those tallied numbers that turn the wheels of all that happens to curtail our rights and liberties in America. All said to be designed as measures to keep us safe.

Now, it is getting to our currency. There's a coin shortage. Which is nonsense. Another lie due to Covid 19. Then we hear that the coin shortage is because the virus can live on coins for long periods of time and therein spread to the population faster. But so far paper currency is seemingly in circulation even though more and more retailers, at least here, are encouraging our use of debit and credit cards at time of purchase.

Then we're told , after all that nonsense about the coins, and in July months before the usual school year would start after months of no school, that no, contrary to what was thought, less than .05 percent of kids test positive for Covid 19. When we hear people who haven't been tested test positive for Covid 19? And also, that there is no evidence, none, that Covid 19 has passed from a student to a child.
Oh, that couldn't be because, you know, there hasn't been any school for all these months?

And yet, that bit of news is presumably what is going to allow American kids to go back to school as usual come September. Maybe March at the latest.

What do we trust? When what we have been told thus far are lies?
Masks aren't necessary unless you're ill with Covid 19 or Asymptomatic. Oh no, they're necessary. Compulsory in public. Unless you have asthma or a breathing issue. We're so depraved as a race of humans that we've even found a new way to hurt one another even now during this. Mask shaming! Not wearing a mask when you should be somewhere in public! Negative attention from the masses surrounding you.

Maybe the real virus?
Is us.
 

Nehemiah6

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Covid-19 pandemic does not count as war, so I would not consider Trump a wartime president.
Do you still have your blinders on? This is called ASYMMETRIC WARFARE, where soldiers are replaced by bioweapons, deception, propaganda, and anarchy?. Do you know that there is presently a war being waged against anti-viral HCQ (which is cheap and effective) and that I have posted a thread about this, since many thousands of lives are being needlessly lost?

As to the comparison between Trump and Churchill, that too is asymmetric. Churchill united the Britons behind him, but because the Democrats and the Leftists in America wish to destroy their country from within, the USA is seriously divided. Also, Mr. Trump has been sabotaging himself while allowing others to sabotage him needlessly.
 
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TheIndianGirl

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I agree we are living in a tumultous period and there is an internal "war" going on, including an internal political war like many other time periods. We cannot call every president a wartime president based on this definition. Traditionally speaking, Trump is not a wartime president. While COVID-19 pandemic is serious, comparing COVID-19 to WWII is not even on the same scale.
 

Roughsoul1991

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I know many posted their opinion but did anyone read the article or have read the book? I'm going to buy the book after hearing the author speak about it. Y'all would be surprised at what he had to say.
 
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DWR

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How so? Have you studied and compared both individuals? Probably not.
Yes I have compared both and I see no likeness in the two.
One was a statesman that lead his country through very dark times and the other could not even get more votes than Hillary.
 

Roughsoul1991

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Churchill was a statesman... knew how to lead a nation through crisis and be a unifying leader.
The author goes through Churchhill's biography, history, and actions which is where they compare. Sounded very interesting. As for I suppose it is a matter of opinion and history will be told by the victor. I personally see nothing wrong with Trump's leadership, I'm thankful for it especially compared to Biden or Hillary. As for unifying well Churchill had a foreign enemy. President Trump has a very real and dangerous domestic enemy. Both have the iron curtain of socialism/communism. Trump is unifying to the Patriot. The patriots are sick of the commie nonsense. And the patriots are growing as the Democrats lose their moderates, the silent majority, and people who have never been political are planning to vote after seeing the violence. If people are willing to burn America down then I dont want to unify.
 

Roughsoul1991

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Yes I have compared both and I see no likeness in the two.
One was a statesman that lead his country through very dark times and the other could not even get more votes than Hillary.
As we are being led in dark times.

But if you are interested for a in depth look I shared the link to the authors book as his podcast was very interesting. I'm looking forward to digging deeper.
 
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DWR

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As we are being led in dark times.

But if you are interested for a in depth look I shared the link to the authors book as his podcast was very interesting. I'm looking forward to digging deeper.
To each his own but I will not waste my money on a book the praises a man I have never liked nor respected.
If the world last long enough, history may judge Trump as a good president, but as of today, I see him as a poor president.
I am glad Hillary lost and I hope Biden never get elected, but that does not mean I like or supports Trump.
I set out the last two president elections and will likely set out this one as well.
Just do not see anyone running qualified for the office or worthy of my vote.
 

Magenta

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I don' know everything, so I cannot say "all." However, how a person behaves is of great importance, perhaps especially more so for a world leader. Trump could have avoided a lot of the backlash by behaving in a manner more becoming to his station in life, which is not to say there would have been none. There is no avoiding controversy for those who are so high profile, but he certainly went more than a little overboard in giving his enemies ammunition against him.