By Works

I don't understand what you mean by a ' type of belief ' . Believing is simply believing. We are commanded to believe with the faculties we have . If you mean believing in vain , then that's different. The access to grace is through Faith . Its an instantaneous believing not an ongoing process . We are saved the instant we believe

I don't follow , what do you mean ?

So you agree with James. A dead faith (lifeless) never saved anyone?

Let’s try this

A man ties a rope from the American side to the Canadian side of the Niagara Falls. He then takes a wheelbarrow. Puts 200 lbs of rock (about the same weight of a grown man) in it. And walks the right rope from one side to the other with no incident.

The crowd stands amazed. After the third time the guy looks to the crowd of people and asks if anyone BELIEVED he could do the same with a human being in it. Everyone raised their hands because they all believed

When he asked for Volunteers, no one raised their hands.

Hey believed he could Do it

But non of them Had living faith he Could do it

There is a huge difference between human belief. And living faith. That is what James is trying to show

Its not a hill to die on . But my take on how we are saved is that we are not given the gift of faith as if its supernatural type in order to believe . We simply believe the Gospel by faith . We trust that Jesus has died for our sins , was buried and rose again according to the scriptures. So to say can a ' lifeless faith ' save someone implies we are saved by a faith thats alive . Could you explain what you mean by we have to be saved by a faith that's alive ? How did it die?

Isnt that simply trust ? which is the meaning of believing on Jesus for salvation .

That’s fine but I am talking about James

Can a dead faith save you? Can a person who believes a person names Jesus came and died yet has never repented and came to true living faith be saved?[/QUOTE
well if a person says I'm cold and Hungary and they reply " be warm " , be fed " what use is that ?

Yes we see this in the epistles that we should preach to all . And it depends on what verse you mean. Do we follow everything Jesus said to the disciples? of course not .
5¶These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not:
6But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
7And as ye go, preach, saying, The kingdom of heaven is at hand.
8Heal the sick, cleanse the lepers, raise the dead, cast out devils: freely ye have received, freely give.
9Provide neither gold, nor silver, nor brass in your purses,
Mat 10.6

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I don't understand what you mean by a ' type of belief ' . Believing is simply believing. We are commanded to believe with the faculties we have . If you mean believing in vain , then that's different. The access to grace is through Faith . Its an instantaneous believing not an ongoing process . We are saved the instant we believe

We are to preach to those that can discern spiritual things, who have been born again, but are still babes in Christ, surviving upon the milk of the word. We are to teach them about the righteousness of God, so they won't go about trying to establish their own righteousness, by their good works, instead of submitting themselves unto the righteousness of God.

It would do no good to preach to the natural man, before he has been born again, because he cannot discern the things of the Spirit, and thinks they are foolishness, 1 Cor 2:14.

We can help deliver babes in Christ from their lack of knowledge, but we cannot be instrumental in delivering anyone eternally, that is by God's sovereign grace, without any help from man.

We are quickened while we are still spiritually dead, and cannot believe in spiritual things, until after we have been quickened, Eph 2.

Mankind plays no part in his spiritual birth, otherwise, grace would be no more grace. Rom 11:6.

Their religion is useless I agree. We should help them not just say be warm etc especially if god gave us the ability

We are to preach to those that can discern spiritual things, who have been born again, but are still babes in Christ, surviving upon the milk of the word. We are to teach them about the righteousness of God, so they won't go about trying to establish their own righteousness, by their good works, instead of submitting themselves unto the righteousness of God.

It would do no good to preach to the natural man, before he has been born again, because he cannot discern the things of the Spirit, and thinks they are foolishness, 1 Cor 2:14.

We can help deliver babes in Christ from their lack of knowledge, but we cannot be instrumental in delivering anyone eternally, that is by God's sovereign grace, without any help from man.

We are quickened while we are still spiritually dead, and cannot believe in spiritual things, until after we have been quickened, Eph 2.

Mankind plays no part in his spiritual birth, otherwise, grace would be no more grace. Rom 11:6.

So is taking up your cross and following Christ a work?
Because without it you can not be His disciple.

The confusion is that sin has associated with it Judgment.
This the cross of Christ dealt with
It also has death, this the Spirit of God in Christ united to Us dealt with.
Those are the consequences of sin.

But the sin it self, is the iniquity in our hearts our evil desires.
Who denies that sin itself is not still active after those above to works of salvation?
Now the working out of your salvation, of what you have been given so as not to waste it what was given to you.
It has a direct connection to you personal assurance that you feel in you own heart
It is the purpose of the Gospel, the ceasing of your sin in your life
It is the beginning of a life lived for Gods Glory.

As the scriptures say, Lay hold of that for which you where laid hold of by Christ Jesus.
He has given us all things necessary for Godliness and our grabbing on to all of it is our laying hold of, making full use of the Salvation Christ laid hold of us for.

We have a part to play, to deny that part as if it is works trying to do the first two parts on our own is redunkuless.

We are quickened while we are still spiritually dead, and cannot believe in spiritual things, until after we have been quickened, Eph 2.

Mankind plays no part in his spiritual birth, otherwise, grace would be no more grace. Rom 11:6.

Where in 1 cor 2.14 does it say a person cannot believe the Gosepl ? it makes the contrast between mature believers and those that are unable to recieve the things of God because they are behaving carnally . Babes in Christ .
Depending on your bible version . The ' spiritual 'is not a person that has the Holy Spirit ,but its a mature believer who understands the things of the spirit ( the wisdom spoken among the mature 1 cor 2.6 )

is there a verse after Jesus goes to the cross where believers are told to pick up their cross ? I think people picking up crosses is not needed after the atonement . Jesus was physically going to the cross .
what part do we have to play . please could you list all the things we need to do ?