How Should Christians Vote?

If the state is expected to assist the mother and child then the dead beat fathers should be made to work for the state to pay a portion back if that's the last resort.. No need for jail until they miss a payment and to teach respect for girls and some one elses daughter.. And the thug criminals running around should be ''caned'' in public if they are habitual then throw them on the chain gang too .. I beat my sons for correction when they were young to respect authority and do what is right ..

Or not!

May 2019

Trump Reforms Truly Did Lower Most People's Taxes — By a Lot
https://www.newsmax.com/kevincochrane/tax-reform-refund-salt-tax-trump/2019/05/14/id/915977/

When you compare a listing of states prepared by the Vegetarian Resource Group to a list of states by change in tax refunds there’s an interesting correlation. The largest drop in refunds this year occurred primarily in states reporting the highest percentage of vegans — unfair!
But, haven’t we heard that the wonderful people living in states like New York, California, and New Jersey — where state and local taxes are some of the highest — would see giant federal tax increases and reduced refunds? Isn’t that the correlation we should be concerned about? Wasn’t the outcry that the new limit on deducting state and local taxes would send these predominately Democratic states’ federal tax bills unfairly through the roof?

Let’s have a look. Yes, it’s true that in those high tax states the average refund was down on the order of about 6%. Not a big deal, but still, it is a reduction from last year. But what about the actual tax bills — the amount people in those states actually owed in taxes?
It turns out that folks in those states got the same reduction that everyone else got — about 25% — and that’s because the new tax law also did away with the alternative minimum tax. A lot of those people never could deduct their state and local taxes in the past because of the AMT, but now without it, they get the $10,000 deduction.

But what about the rest of the U.S.? Didn’t the media tell us that the new tax law favored red states and punished blue ones? How much did the average tax bill go down in those Republican fly-over states? H&R Block reports that the average tax bill for their clients — over 20 million middle class Americans — was down by about that same amount nationwide. Yes, the average American paid 25% less in taxes this past year regardless of what state they lived in.

It’s time to do away with all the smoke and mirrors and look at the real numbers — not the hyped media estimates we’ve heard ever since the new tax plan went in effect. And notice that since the final numbers have come in, the media has quickly moved on to President Trump’s tax returns and is now silent on how the tax plan actually affected the country.
In spite of all the early media outcries, taxes are down 25% on average and the average refund this year is hardly changed. Actually average refunds were up by about 1% nationwide this year. The new tax law sounds like a pretty decent deal for the average American — regardless of where they live!

Yes, some folks paid more taxes, but that’s true every year. And yes, some folks saw reduced refunds, but’s also true every year. Remember, the amount withheld from your paycheck isn’t your tax bill — it’s an estimated prepayment that you settle up on April 15. If it’s too much or too little, your estimate wasn’t accurate.

In a perfect world, the amount withheld would be exactly the amount of the actual taxes owed — the tax bill. People who have to write a check on April 15 have essentially received an interest free loan from the government for the year. And folks that get refunds have taken home smaller paychecks than they had to and let the government hold that extra cash — like a savings account — only without earning any interest.

The new tax law didn’t increase people’s taxes — it reduced them, and by a lot. It also didn’t affect their refunds — it actually increased them by a small amount. And finally, all arm waving over the supposed unfairness of the tax law to primarily Democratic high tax states (interesting correlation) turns out to be just nonsense. Now that the final numbers are out, it’s all over but the shouting — and even that has quieted down. But what about the Vegans?

What’s ahead for your taxes if Biden wins the election
Published Mon, Aug 17
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/08/17/whats-ahead-for-your-taxes-if-biden-wins-the-election.html

• Former vice president Joe Biden has called for rolling back a lot of the Tax Cuts and Jobs Act, which trimmed income tax rates. He has proposed raising income taxes and Social Security taxes on wages over $400,000.
• Long-term capital gains and qualified dividends would be subject to ordinary income taxes — 39.6% — for those with income over $1 million, and the step-up in basis at death would be eliminated.
• For this to happen, not only would Biden have to win, but Democrats would have to capture the Senate and maintain their House majority. Watch and wait, but don’t make any drastic planning moves yet.

What Joe Biden plans to do for student loan borrowers
Published Fri, Aug 21
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/08/21/what-joe-biden-would-do-for-student-loan-borrowers.html

• A Biden presidency could mean big changes for people with student loans.
• The Democratic candidate is promising to forgive some of the debt, slash borrowers’ monthly payments and allow them to walk away from their debt in bankruptcy.

well try captivity you have no vote then LOL

I think you should move to a radical country in the Middle East. I really think your ideals would fit in quite nice there!

Is that what you would say to people in poor countries living in slums? “Life is messy! Deal with it, change your life plans!”
What I am trying to say is that just because you and I have been brought up the way we have and do things with care it doesn’t mean that everybody has that same foundation. And to doom them to a life of motherhood before they are ready is not good for anybody. But of course, if you would be willing to adopt the child she could give birth and you would both be happy. But that doesn’t seem to be a valid option for pro-lifers?

Tsss “the Ungodly”. For me, Trump is one of the most “ungodly” people out there.

People that are having responsible sex should not nurture bad choices of others. That is what is causing this in the first place. An abortion is not an anti conception, yet it is being used like that making life a disposible product. And not even that, they harvest baby tissue to gain scientificly making it the child rituals of this age.

We should see that there comes less government and more tools for mankind to arrange their life for themselves. Now 1 procent is ruling 99 procent dividing you and me. Life situations make it seem abortion is an ethical way out, but it is not. It is the murder of an innocent life. We can not sugarcoat this in any way. If we had institutions that would fully take care of mothers while they are still able to finish school, there would be no problem.

But we have a long way to go Ronja. Rome wasn’t built in a day, but we will never get there if we keep living like this. We need to restore our human nature to a better image, killing the innocent is not that. And if someone from my area would go into church and explains her problems and fears for having a child, I’m 100 procent sure they will turn every stone upside down to help that mother in need. But if the mother rather chooses abortion then to ask for different help, she is chosing the easy way out.

Evil governments nurture this idea (easy way out), because it is beneficial for them. They are humanslayers as was satan. They are of the devil.
There is no in between if you want to obey God’s Word.

I don’t know if I want to discuss this with you. Given that in our discussions about immigration you choose to judge an entire group of people built up of millions of individuals, deciding they are rapists.
I don’t understand how a person being pro-life is fighting for a baby that is barely formed, have no memories, personality or feelings, and not children who with their families dream of a better life in a land without war and famine.
And the tings you said about Sweden are incorrect, so I cannot believe your “facts” ether.

You are very right, we do have a long way to go. But I think we should walk it in respect of each other. Not judging, not calling people “of the devil” because they don’t think the way we do.
I learned a long time ago that nobody does anything for no reason at all. Everybody have their reason for doing an abortion, for trying to enter a country illegally, for voting the way they vote. Instead of judging them right away and curse them, perhaps we could be open minded and try to see things from their point of view? Jesus told us to love our neighbor and to not judge. We are all at fault and to point fingers and say that something/someone is pure evil is not the right way to go.

It’s not that I don’t want to discuss with you because I think you are less or anything. I just think that our views on the world might be so far apart that neuter of us would get anywhere by discussing this very subject.
However, we might end up in another discussion someday where we totally agree with each other ! Who knows!

No, the God hating lawless and communist liberals, dems and nazi RINO's have moved them to here over the last hundred years ''NWO'' .. Especially since the late 80's .. When do you think ''the Patriot Act'' was started being written ? You are like the rest of Lott's family who loved and stayed in Sodom and Gomorrah ....

No that isn't what I would say to them because we aren't comparing similar things. Someones economic status isn't a baby fetus with life, not even close. Bad comparison. I would tell them that's tough because I was raised in poverty, but in time it can get better.

You're trying to say that material wealth is more important than someone's life. Possessions can be replaced, but a baby is gone forever after the abortion.

That's what's wrong with this generation. No respect for human life. Success and business taking priority over sacred things in worship of the almighty dollar.

Let me repeat:
It was a Republican Supreme Court that approved SAME-SEX MARRIAGE (with a controlled Republican House and Senate).

Roe v. Wade Approved By Republican Appointees. A 1973 Supreme Court decision, Roe v. Wade, legalized abortion by a 7-2 vote. Six of the seven justices in the majority were Republican. This also includes same sex marriage - Republicans legalized same sex marriage.

The same conservatives who approve these abominations against God wants you to vote for them while condemning others. There are many self righteous hypocrites using religion, who attempt to take parts here and there and mix them with their own opinion to create some standard to "un-save" others, while they do not keep the standard they would teach and lay upon others. This is not "loving others as yourself" this is loving yourself and allowing mercy for yourself, while attempting to condemn others by a standard you do not keep. When did the truth change because of who’s saying it, instead of what Jesus said? There is not a name under heaven who has the authority to change truth. Wake up people of God! I pray that the Lord take us back to when we first believed. When we were consumed by His love, and full of joy unspeakable!


Romans 1:32 NLT - They know God’s justice requires that those who do these things deserve to die, yet they do them anyway. Worse yet, they encourage others to do them, too.

Revelation 18:23 says it like this, "Satan has deceived and led astray every nation by sorcery and black magic."


“33 So you shall not pollute the land wherein you are: for blood it defiles the land: and the land cannot be cleansed of the blood that is shed therein, but by the blood of him who shed it (if a person commits cold-blooded murder, and there are two or more eye witnesses, such a person must be executed; to not take proper steps in such situations pollutes the land; so that means, regarding the untold thousands of abortions performed each year in the United States, that the land is polluted with blood; one day God will demand payment).

34 Defile not therefore the land which you shall inhabit, wherein I dwell: for I the LORD dwell among the Children of Israel. (This was under the old Law; however, it applies presently to the nations of the world which consider themselves to be predominantly Christian. God does not change, even as God cannot change.)” Num. 35

Excerpt From
The Expositor's Study Bible
Jimmy Swaggart
https://books.apple.com/us/book/the-expositors-study-bible/id399697870
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I would say that it definitely is. If I became pregnant at a younger age I would be relatively safe, since I currently live in a country where I wouldn’t have to pay anything to deliver and get a year off with pay after to recover and take care/bond with my baby. I also have a stable family that would be able to help me and support me though that journey.
However this is not the case in USA and to doom a girl to pay crazy high bills, work the day after giving birth and then be a mother instead of going to school would set the country back decades.
This is what keeps women uneducated in many countries. They become mothers too early and have to drop out of school to take care of their child.

I do agree that money has become worth more than peoples lives. But I don’t think we share the same opinion on what that effects. For me, saying that brings up the thought of the environment, that it’s more important to make money than to work to better the climate and our future. Or healthcare. People rather pay a little bit less in taxes than to allow all to have health care.

So yes, unfortunately people today do worship the all-mighty dollar more than life. And it’s really sad, because according to the Bible, you cannot love both money and God.

It's one of us.

It is, and I wasn’t trying to say it wasn’t . But how can it have more value than kids already born?

Anyway, I will leave this discussion. I feel that it has gone a bit off course, and that is partly my fault.
I am sorry if I have offended anyone, that was never my intention.

What I have been trying to say with all my posts is that everything isn’t black and white. There is good and bad in both parties, and everybody should consider both options.
And to the creator of the thread, of course you can be Christian while being a democrat. Absolutely.
Pray and listen to what God wants !

Have a lovely day !

That's a lot of words to say you think think material possessions are worth more than people.

"Spiritual status: unsure"

And which group's ideals do you represent, if I may ask?

It doesn't. How is anyone devalued by the unborn?