"this generation will not pass away" - until the second coming of Jesus?

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Truth7t7

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How about this: instead of merely repeating your incorrectly punctuated assertion, how about you present evidence that supports it.
Do you deny a future second coming of Jesus Christ, and resurrection of the believer?

The Holy Bible Is Full Of Scripture Supporting The Future Events :)
 

Dino246

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Do you deny a future second coming of Jesus Christ, and resurrection of the believer?

The Holy Bible Is Full Of Scripture Supporting The Future Events :)
What part of "I'm not interested in your baiting question" didn't you understand? Step up with evidence for your assertions instead of tossing out red herrings.
 

PlainWord

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The last of the last of the last of the last?

Real Big Smiles! :)

(Full Preterism) Is Heretical "Exposed"
There is no teaching of a last day of planet earth. The last day referred to the end of their age, not ours. Time doesn't stop and the planet does not end. We have multiple passages that affirm this. The big picture is lost on you. There was a covenantial change when Israel was destroyed. Before then, God choose a nation out of all the nations to be His people and witness to the rest of mankind. When they were obedient and faithful, He blessed them over all nations. When they turned away from Him and worship idols, He dealt harshly with them. He gave them the Law and the promise of a Messiah who would come and restore mankind's connection to God in the afterlife.

They rejected Him. They declared the Beast as their only true King. They murdered God's Son. Because of that, they endured the greatest tribulation (suffering) that any nation would ever experience before or after. The covenant was taken away from them and given to the Believers, the Bride of Christ (jew and Gentile). All disbelieving Jews were killed in their war with Rome. After the temple fell, there were no more sacrifices, no more chosen nation. Salvation is open to us all. Christ restored all things - that being what was lost in the Garden. There is no more Hades for the believer. We go straight to heaven when we die. We are in a new age (Heb 6:5), not the same age they were in. God is dealing very differently with mankind in our age than He did in the last age. We can have a personal relationship with God now. The priest system has been abolished. You fail to understand any of this.

It is really sad that you futurists missed the second coming just as most Jews missed the first coming. Like those faithless Jews, you are waiting for the kingdom to come rather than enjoying it now because we are living in it now!! We have a God who didn't leave us 2,000 years ago. He returned just a short time later at the end of their age and He has been with us ever since. Christ already defeated His last enemy, that being death, spiritual death, AKA separation from God.
 

PlainWord

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The last of the last of the last of the last?

Real Big Smiles! :)

(Full Preterism) Is Heretical "Exposed"
Ecclesiastes 1:4
One generation passes away, and another generation comes; But the earth abides forever.

Psalm 78:69
And He built His sanctuary like the heights, Like the earth which He has established forever.

Psalm 104:5
You who laid the foundations of the earth, So that it should not be moved forever,
 

PlainWord

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The last of the last of the last of the last?

Real Big Smiles! :)

(Full Preterism) Is Heretical "Exposed"
Jesus is telling them about their last days here in Luke 19 and the reason why their country was going to be utterly destroyed:

43 For days will come upon you when your enemies will build an embankment around you, surround you and close you in on every side, 44 and level you, and your children within you, to the ground; and they will not leave in you one stone upon another, because you did not know the time of your visitation.”

Then in Luke 20 Jesus clearly identifies that they are in a specific age. He refers to them as "sons of this age," not of our age. Once you understand this, you can see that the resurrection is part of their age, not our age. Jesus is saying that for those who die and are counted worthy to achieve the resurrection at the end of their age become equal to angels. They achieve the resurrection by being worthy.

34 Jesus answered and said to them, “The sons of this age marry and are given in marriage. 35 But those who are counted worthy to attain that age, and the resurrection from the dead, neither marry nor are given in marriage; 36 nor can they die anymore, for they are equal to the angels and are sons of God, being sons of the resurrection.

We see here that Jesus is linking the end of that (their) age with the resurrection. The writer of Hebrews clearly states that in the first century they tasted the age to come, it was coming quickly, that's how they were able to taste it because of the 40 year transition between ages.

5 and have tasted the good word of God and the powers of the age to come.

We are in that new age fully and have been since 70 AD. We are experiencing the power of our age in contrast to their age. In Mat 24:3 the disciples link the end of their age with the destruction of the temple and the presence of Christ. Thus the last day, was the last day of their age, not the planet.
 

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The last of the last of the last of the last?

Real Big Smiles! :)

(Full Preterism) Is Heretical "Exposed"
How old are you? This is like nanny nanny boo boo level stuff man. Grow up. All you argue with is your own assertion, half the time the scripture you present, if you give any, have NOTHING at all to do with what you're talking about. But look how pleased with yourself you are here, and you haven't even made a bad case for what you're putting forth, much less a compelling argument. How does it feel to be this pleased with yourself? Just curious.
 

Truth7t7

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How old are you? This is like nanny nanny boo boo level stuff man. Grow up. All you argue with is your own assertion, half the time the scripture you present, if you give any, have NOTHING at all to do with what you're talking about. But look how pleased with yourself you are here, and you haven't even made a bad case for what you're putting forth, much less a compelling argument. How does it feel to be this pleased with yourself? Just curious.
Do you also deny a future Second Coming of Jesus Christ, and a future Resurrection of the believer?

Matthew 24:29-30KJV
29 Immediately after the tribulation
of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

(Full Preterism) Is Heretical

The Last Day Resurrection


John 6:39-40KJV
39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.
40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.

The Future Resurrection Of All!

John 5:28-29KJV
28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,
29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.
 

Truth7t7

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(Full Preterism) Is Heretical
Why the sad face Jimbone?

(Full Preterist) Deny a future second coming and resurrection of the believer?

Don't you believe (Full Preterism) is Heretical?
 

Dino246

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Why the sad face Jimbone?

(Full Preterist) Deny a future second coming and resurrection of the believer?

Don't you believe (Full Preterism) is Heretical?
I see by your continued incorrect use of brackets that you are unteachable. I see by your repetition that you prefer putting people in pigeonholes than discussing with them.
 
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How about we all love one another and rejoice in the knowledge that Jesus Christ is alive and risen from the grave?
 

Truth7t7

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I see by your continued incorrect use of brackets that you are unteachable. I see by your repetition that you prefer putting people in pigeonholes than discussing with them.
No Brackets (y)

Do you deny a future second coming of Jesus Christ, and resurrection of the believer?

The Holy Bible Is Full Of Scripture Supporting The Future Events :)

Matthew 24:29-30KJV
29 Immediately after the tribulation
of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

The Last Day Resurrection

John 6:39-40KJV
39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.
40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.

The Future Resurrection Of All, On The Last Day!

John 5:28-29KJV
28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,
29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.
 

PlainWord

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Do you also deny a future Second Coming of Jesus Christ, and a future Resurrection of the believer?

Matthew 24:29-30KJV
29 Immediately after the tribulation
of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

(Full Preterism) Is Heretical

The Last Day Resurrection

John 6:39-40KJV
39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.
40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.

The Future Resurrection Of All!

John 5:28-29KJV
28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,
29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.
You still haven't figured out who God and Christ were mad at and who their wrath was to be directed towards. We are told explicitly over and over who their wrath was to be aimed at. Until you figure this out, you will continue in your errors. Let's see if I show you some verses if you can figure out who was the subject of their wrath:

Mat 3:7 But when he saw many of the Pharisees and Sadducees coming to his baptism, he said to them, “Brood of vipers! Who warned you to flee from the wrath to come?

Mat 23:31 “Therefore you are witnesses against yourselves that you are sons of those who murdered the prophets. 32 Fill up, then, the measure of your fathers’ guilt. 33 Serpents, brood of vipers! How can you escape the condemnation of hell? 34 Therefore, indeed, I send you prophets, wise men, and scribes: some of them you will kill and crucify, and some of them you will scourge in your synagogues and persecute from city to city, 35 that on you may come all the righteous blood shed on the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel to the blood of Zechariah, son of Berechiah, whom you murdered between the temple and the altar. 36 Assuredly, I say to you, all these things will come upon this generation.

Mat 26:64 Jesus said to him, “It is as you said. Nevertheless, I say to you, hereafter you will see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of the Power, and coming on the clouds of heaven.”

Luke 19:41 Now as He drew near, He saw the city and wept over it, 42 saying, “If you had known, even you, especially in this your day, the things that make for your peace! But now they are hidden from your eyes. 43 For days will come upon you when your enemies will build an embankment around you, surround you and close you in on every side, 44 and level you, and your children within you, to the ground; and they will not leave in you one stone upon another, because you did not know the time of your visitation.”

1 Thes 2:14 For you also suffered the same things from your own countrymen, just as they did from the Judeans, 15 who killed both the Lord Jesus and their own prophets, and have persecuted us; and they do not please God and are contrary to all men, 16 forbidding us to speak to the Gentiles that they may be saved, so as always to fill up the measure of their sins; but wrath has come upon them to the uttermost.

1 Thes 1:9 For they themselves declare concerning us what manner of entry we had to you, and how you turned to God from idols to serve the living and true God, 10 and to wait for His Son from heaven, whom He raised from the dead, Jesus who delivers us from the wrath to come.

To be delivered from the wrath which came in 70 AD, they must have been there for Jesus to deliver them from it.

Tell me brother, who was God mad at in the above passages? How are your reading comprehension skills? So far I've been unimpressed.
 

Truth7t7

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You still haven't figured out who God and Christ were mad at and who their wrath was to be directed towards. We are told explicitly over and over who their wrath was to be aimed at. Until you figure this out, you will continue in your errors. Let's see if I show you some verses if you can figure out who was the subject of their wrath:

Mat 3:7 But when he saw many of the Pharisees and Sadducees coming to his baptism, he said to them, “Brood of vipers! Who warned you to flee from the wrath to come?

Mat 23:31 “Therefore you are witnesses against yourselves that you are sons of those who murdered the prophets. 32 Fill up, then, the measure of your fathers’ guilt. 33 Serpents, brood of vipers! How can you escape the condemnation of hell? 34 Therefore, indeed, I send you prophets, wise men, and scribes: some of them you will kill and crucify, and some of them you will scourge in your synagogues and persecute from city to city, 35 that on you may come all the righteous blood shed on the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel to the blood of Zechariah, son of Berechiah, whom you murdered between the temple and the altar. 36 Assuredly, I say to you, all these things will come upon this generation.

Mat 26:64 Jesus said to him, “It is as you said. Nevertheless, I say to you, hereafter you will see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of the Power, and coming on the clouds of heaven.”

Luke 19:41 Now as He drew near, He saw the city and wept over it, 42 saying, “If you had known, even you, especially in this your day, the things that make for your peace! But now they are hidden from your eyes. 43 For days will come upon you when your enemies will build an embankment around you, surround you and close you in on every side, 44 and level you, and your children within you, to the ground; and they will not leave in you one stone upon another, because you did not know the time of your visitation.”

1 Thes 2:14 For you also suffered the same things from your own countrymen, just as they did from the Judeans, 15 who killed both the Lord Jesus and their own prophets, and have persecuted us; and they do not please God and are contrary to all men, 16 forbidding us to speak to the Gentiles that they may be saved, so as always to fill up the measure of their sins; but wrath has come upon them to the uttermost.

1 Thes 1:9 For they themselves declare concerning us what manner of entry we had to you, and how you turned to God from idols to serve the living and true God, 10 and to wait for His Son from heaven, whom He raised from the dead, Jesus who delivers us from the wrath to come.

To be delivered from the wrath which came in 70 AD, they must have been there for Jesus to deliver them from it.

Tell me brother, who was God mad at in the above passages? How are your reading comprehension skills? So far I've been unimpressed.
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You misjudged my position. I Don't believe in a rapture out of suffering.
I'm Catholic.
I believe the suffering is sanctifying Christians. He unites their suffering to His.

As a catholic you don't believe in Christian guided scriptures........why here?
 

Ahwatukee

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I see by your continued incorrect use of brackets that you are unteachable. I see by your repetition that you prefer putting people in pigeonholes than discussing with them.
I've noticed that some people are just devoid of scriptural reasoning or logic. These are the one's whose minds have been blinded by the enemy. They're not capable of receiving the truth.