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J-T

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Well you certainly have the right to believe as you choose , God bless no hard feelings or anything
There are those that preach "another Jesus" per 2Corinthians 11, such as the false prophets, the Seventh Day Adventists and Jehovah's Witnesses that preached their false Jesus to be Michael the Archangel a.k.a. "a god", but not God, as they also deny the physical resurrection and physical return. They also have their own re-written Bibles. Quotations of their heresies can be found on the Internet, but soon, threads will be produced here to house the evidence of their damnable heresies as it is becoming common place for many that are embracing them as fellow believers in disobedience of the instruction given in the Bible, such as the passage I just mentioned, as well as Matthew 7:13-27, Matthew 24, 2John 1:5-11 (must read), and 1John 4:1-5.

The Muslims, Mormons, and Oneness Pentecostals also preach "another Jesus", and like the aforementioned, they also preach "another gospel" with "another spirit" which is the spirit of Antichrist a.k.a. the spirit of error.
 

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Exodus 15:3 The LORD is a man of war: the LORD is his name.
Moses and the children of Israel sang a song with these words. I would not take it as conclusive evidence, based on this one verse, that it was God who Himself was speaking through Moses and the children of Israel regarding this specific attribute.
 

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There are those that preach "another Jesus" per 2Corinthians 11, such as the false prophets, the Seventh Day Adventists and Jehovah's Witnesses that preached their false Jesus to be Michael the Archangel a.k.a. "a god", but not God, as they also deny the physical resurrection and physical return. They also have their own re-written Bibles. Quotations of their heresies can be found on the Internet, but soon, threads will be produced here to house the evidence of their damnable heresies as it is becoming common place for many that are embracing them as fellow believers in disobedience of the instruction given in the Bible, such as the passage I just mentioned, as well as Matthew 7:13-27, Matthew 24, 2John 1:5-11 (must read), and 1John 4:1-5.

The Muslims, Mormons, and Oneness Pentecostals also preach "another Jesus", and like the aforementioned, they also preach "another gospel" with "another spirit" which is the spirit of Antichrist a.k.a. the spirit of error.
yes I would agree

it’s been an issue since pauls day . And we are warned again and again by all of the gospel writers inspired by the Holy Spirit to stick with the foundation of the gospel. The thing I notice a lot is like your saying “ the gospel God sent and approved isn’t the gospel for anyone now “ which , see once that is taken away you can make anything true out of random scriptures taken apart and then stitched together while you refuse to accept the rest .

That’s a terrible terrible awe full no good very bad idea to start faith with exclusion of the lord Jesus authority and word of Eternal life and light and hope

its sad for sure to have so many variances In thinking among church members . Which leads to so much arguing and personal issues. When we have the words of the lord to know are true and believe

“And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say?

Whosoever cometh to me, and heareth my sayings, and doeth them, I will shew you to whom he is like:

He is like a man which built an house, and digged deep, and laid the foundation on a rock:

and when the flood arose, the stream beat vehemently upon that house, and could not shake it: for it was founded upon a rock.

But he that heareth, and doeth not, is like a man that without a foundation built an house upon the earth;

against which the stream did beat vehemently, and immediately it fell; and the ruin of that house was great.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭6:46-49‬ ‭KJV‬‬

we reject Gods word at our own peril but we accept and believe his word into righteousness and life
 

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Yes God who is not a man . His will was manifested in the flesh ...

The power of God is manifest in the flesh of all believers.
The verse doesn't say, "The will of God was manifest in the flesh" and it doesn't say, "The power of God was manifest in the flesh". It says, "God was manifest in the flesh."

Why don't you accept the plain word of God?
 

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Moses and the children of Israel sang a song with these words. I would not take it as conclusive evidence, based on this one verse, that it was God who Himself was speaking through Moses and the children of Israel regarding this specific attribute.
I take the Word of God as it is written. Not like the Roman Catholic Church that leaves it up to a single man in Rome to decide to rewrite the Bible and/or redefine what is written, as the Vatican has done to blasphemously teach the "father" of their "false Jesus" to be Lucifer, and as the Seventh Day Adventists have done to blasphemously teach their "false Jesus" to be Michael the Archangel and rewrote the Bible and renamed it as "Clear Word" where in Jude 1:9 they added "Jesus" with the identity of "Michael the Archangel".

Would you like the link again where I provided the proof quotations?
 

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There are three things that make the essence of God who is not a man. Its something I have been looking at, another kind of trinity .

Three is used to represent end to the matter. Nothing can be added to it or taken away form it.

God is Light. God is Spirit. God is Love.

Again he is not a man . He is not part of first part of the the record of three below But is part of the second three. The Son of man Jesus had no power .When Jesus the apostle would rebuke the spirt of error the father gave him the words. . . three times as "it" is written .The one source of faith "it". . . . and the devil would flee.

1 John5:7-9 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one. And there are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one. If we receive the witness of men, the witness of God is greater: for this is the witness of God which he hath testified of his Son.

Two groups of three as one. the eternal and the temporal

The Son of God Jesus bore the witness of men. The witness the father was working in him not the power is not accredited to the son of man earthen body of death . We walk by faith the unseen eternal

2 Corinthians 4:7 But we have this treasure in earthen vessels, that the excellency of the power may be of God, and not of us.
This is error with your interpretation of the 1John 5:7-9 as you wrest the record that God gave. That said, let's examine these passages, and perhaps you can explain how and why it is that you disagree with God the Father, and God the Son, The Lord Jesus Christ and His chosen Apostles:

The Lord Jesus Christ delared this AFTER His bodily ressurection:

Mat 28:18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.

Apostle Paul wrote this by inspiration of The Holy Ghost, AFTER The Lord Jesus Christ's bodily ressurection:


Col 2:8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.

Col 2:9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

Act 2:29 Men and brethren, let me freely speak unto you of the patriarch David, that he is both dead and buried, and his sepulchre is with us unto this day.
Act 2:30 Therefore being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne;
Act 2:31 He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that his soul was not left in hell, neither his flesh did see corruption.
Act 2:32 This Jesus hath God raised up, whereof we all are witnesses.
Act 2:33 Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear.

Heb 1:8 But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.
Heb 1:9 Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, even thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows.
Heb 1:10 And, Thou, Lord, in the beginning hast laid the foundation of the earth; and the heavens are the works of thine hands:
Heb 1:11 They shall perish; but thou remainest; and they all shall wax old as doth a garment;
Heb 1:12 And as a vesture shalt thou fold them up, and they shall be changed: but thou art the same, and thy years shall not fail.

Joh 2:19 Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.

Joh 2:20 Then said the Jews, Forty and six years was this temple in building, and wilt thou rear it up in three days?

Joh 2:21 But he spake of the temple of his body.

Joh 2:22 When therefore he was risen from the dead, his disciples remembered that he had said this unto them; and they believed the scripture, and the word which Jesus had said.


Joh 20:24 But Thomas, one of the twelve, called Didymus, was not with them when Jesus came.

Joh 20:25 The other disciples therefore said unto him, We have seen the Lord. But he said unto them, Except I shall see in his hands the print of the nails, and put my finger into the print of the nails, and thrust my hand into his side, I will not believe.

Joh 20:26 And after eight days again his disciples were within, and Thomas with them: then came Jesus, the doors being shut, and stood in the midst, and said, Peace be unto you.

Joh 20:27 Then saith he to Thomas, Reach hither thy finger, and behold my hands; and reach hither thy hand, and thrust it into my side: and be not faithless, but believing.

Joh 20:28 And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God.

Joh 20:29 Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed.

Joh 20:30 And many other signs truly did Jesus in the presence of his disciples, which are not written in this book:

Joh 20:31 But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name.


Heb 13:8 Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.


1Co 1:23 But we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews a stumblingblock, and unto the Greeks foolishness;

1Co 1:24 But unto them which are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God.

1Co 1:25 Because the foolishness of God is wiser than men; and the weakness of God is stronger than men.

2Timothy 3:1-9 is a lesson I apply here with emphasis on verse 5 about those that deny the power of God.

P.S. "another kind of trinity" is also "another god", including "another Jesus" - See 2Corinthians 11
 

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I take the Word of God as it is written. Not like the Roman Catholic Church that leaves it up to a single man in Rome to decide to rewrite the Bible and/or redefine what is written, as the Vatican has done to blasphemously teach the "father" of their "false Jesus" to be Lucifer, and as the Seventh Day Adventists have done to blasphemously teach their "false Jesus" to be Michael the Archangel and rewrote the Bible and renamed it as "Clear Word" where in Jude 1:9 they added "Jesus" with the identity of "Michael the Archangel".

Would you like the link again where I provided the proof quotations?
I take the Word of God as written also and not what some church denomination says it is.

You seem to have a pattern of disparaging those that may disagree with you, and this is done without any evidence whatsoever.

I really don't care what the guy in Rome says or how the Clear Word interprets Jude 1:9. I don't believe for a moment that the Archangel Michael is actually Jesus and have never made a claim that I take the word of the Pope seriously or rely solely on the Clear Word for spiritual edification.

You claim otherwise. Show me one post of mine where I say that I agree with the single man in Rome representing the Roman Catholic church or that I believe what the Clear Word says about Jesus being the Archangel Michael. You won't be able to do so because there isn't any.

For the record, I have read many versions of the bible from cover to cover, including the Clear Word for comparison purposes and found that version to be seriously lacking in certain areas, particularly the instance you mentioned in Jude 1:9.

Don't bother providing links to anything as I will not be wasting my precious time reading them.
 

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I take the Word of God as written also and not what some church denomination says it is.

You seem to have a pattern of disparaging those that may disagree with you, and this is done without any evidence whatsoever.

I really don't care what the guy in Rome says or how the Clear Word interprets Jude 1:9. I don't believe for a moment that the Archangel Michael is actually Jesus and have never made a claim that I take the word of the Pope seriously or rely solely on the Clear Word for spiritual edification.

You claim otherwise. Show me one post of mine where I say that I agree with the single man in Rome representing the Roman Catholic church or that I believe what the Clear Word says about Jesus being the Archangel Michael. You won't be able to do so because there isn't any.

For the record, I have read many versions of the bible from cover to cover, including the Clear Word for comparison purposes and found that version to be seriously lacking in certain areas, particularly the instance you mentioned in Jude 1:9.

Don't bother providing links to anything as I will not be wasting my precious time reading them.
I understand why you don't want for me to post any links to establish that you have a pattern of sewing discord and division, while mocking me in the process. You are mocking me even now. It was you that said that you were Roman Catholic and are married to a Seventh Day Adventist and defended the Seventh Day Adventist antichrist Church. You may perceive me to be "disparaging", but contrary to the pretense you are making with your facade, I take the words of The Lord most seriously regarding false teachers, false prophets, and the Great Whore of Mystery Babylon which is the Roman Catholic Church. You have not come out to publicly repent of the R.C.C. or your involvement with the S.D.A. and renounce them. You are not my Brother in Christ.

I will highlight verse 12 from the context of 2Corinthians 11 for the sake of my born again Brethren as to why we do not let false teachers, false prophets, false apostles, and those that follow after them glory as being Christians, and be found even as we are. I will never side with, sing kumbayah, nor drink the kool-aid with any such person. Also read 2Timothy 3, 1John, 2Peter 2-3, Jude, and Revelation 2-3 These are deceivers and antichrists, and the Ecumunecal Movement is of the Antichrist Movement to blend religions, including false prophets.
 

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I understand why you don't want for me to post any links to establish that you have a pattern of sewing discord and division, while mocking me in the process. You are mocking me even now. It was you that said that you were Roman Catholic and are married to a Seventh Day Adventist and defended the Seventh Day Adventist antichrist Church. You may perceive me to be "disparaging", but contrary to the pretense you are making with your facade, I take the words of The Lord most seriously regarding false teachers, false prophets, and the Great Whore of Mystery Babylon which is the Roman Catholic Church. You have not come out to publicly repent of the R.C.C. or your involvement with the S.D.A. and renounce them. You are not my Brother in Christ.

I will highlight verse 12 from the context of 2Corinthians 11 for the sake of my born again Brethren as to why we do not let false teachers, false prophets, false apostles, and those that follow after them glory as being Christians, and be found even as we are. I will never side with, sing kumbayah, nor drink the kool-aid with any such person. Also read 2Timothy 3, 1John, 2Peter 2-3, Jude, and Revelation 2-3 These are deceivers and antichrists, and the Ecumunecal Movement is of the Antichrist Movement to blend religions, including false prophets.
Are you the only one that takes the word of the Lord most seriously on this site? I didn't start the RCC or SDA so feel no need to repent. Regardless of the church service I go there to worship God and to soak in the Word. I really don't get caught up on all the minute details of the organizational structure. I have asked you before what denomination is Christian in your opinion and have yet to receive in answer. Discourse is not possible when you chose not to participate.

"We didn't start the fire,
It was always burning
Since the world's been turning.
We didn't start the fire,
No, we didn't light it,

but we tried to fight it."
 

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The verse doesn't say, "The will of God was manifest in the flesh" and it doesn't say, "The power of God was manifest in the flesh". It says, "God was manifest in the flesh."

Why don't you accept the plain word of God?
because false doctrine is like building a brick wall if a false gospel gets there first it begins stacking bricks and cementing then in place it’s the enemies design to guard a
Mans mind and heart from the truth because that is the only thing that saves a soul
 

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Are you the only one that takes the word of the Lord most seriously on this site? I didn't start the RCC or SDA so feel no need to repent. Regardless of the church service I go there to worship God and to soak in the Word. I really don't get caught up on all the minute details of the organizational structure. I have asked you before what denomination is Christian in your opinion and have yet to receive in answer. Discourse is not possible when you chose not to participate.

"We didn't start the fire,
It was always burning
Since the world's been turning.
We didn't start the fire,
No, we didn't light it,

but we tried to fight it." [/QUOTE
Are you the only one that takes the word of the Lord most seriously on this site? I didn't start the RCC or SDA so feel no need to repent. Regardless of the church service I go there to worship God and to soak in the Word. I really don't get caught up on all the minute details of the organizational structure. I have asked you before what denomination is Christian in your opinion and have yet to receive in answer. Discourse is not possible when you chose not to participate.

"We didn't start the fire,
It was always burning
Since the world's been turning.
We didn't start the fire,
No, we didn't light it,

but we tried to fight it."
amen Denominations were never a design of God but a result of bitter roots which sprung up from biting and devouring one another . What matters is Christ and the true gospel

you see the roots of this in scripture “ I follow Paul another I follow Apollo’s another I follow Cepheus another I follow Christ

denominations are a part of the enemies plan to divide the church . And sprang up when different sides dig in on thier interpretations . Which can’t be of the spirit because they differ carnality crept in men began to think and reason instead of believe

When we focus on the minute details before we grasp the basics and let our sides be divided it weakens the church body . Over Gods word meant to bring us closer together in spirit not divide us

“With all lowliness and meekness, with longsuffering, forbearing one another in love; Endeavouring to keep the unity of the Spirit in the bond of peace.

There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling;

One Lord, one faith, one baptism, One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.

But unto every one of us is given grace according to the measure of the gift of Christ.”
‭‭Ephesians‬ ‭4:2-7‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them;

that they may be one, even as we are one: I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one;

and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.
‭‭John‬ ‭17:22-23‬ ‭

the glory of the children of God
 

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Are you the only one that takes the word of the Lord most seriously on this site? I didn't start the RCC or SDA so feel no need to repent. Regardless of the church service I go there to worship God and to soak in the Word. I really don't get caught up on all the minute details of the organizational structure. I have asked you before what denomination is Christian in your opinion and have yet to receive in answer. Discourse is not possible when you chose not to participate.

"We didn't start the fire,
It was always burning
Since the world's been turning.
We didn't start the fire,
No, we didn't light it,

but we tried to fight it."
I am not surprised that you choose not to repent from following after or endorsing those false religions, as you have repeatedly demonstrated before. It is easy for me to expose your contridictions here as you work to glorify yourself as being a Christian, but for now I am going to use this post as a teaching moment for my Brethren in the faith, that might would otherwise be beguiled by you.
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@Pilgrimshope, last night you posted from the passage of Matthew 7:13-27 and underlined the severe consequences that The Lord Jesus Christ established for those that follow after false prophets. Do you not realize that the false prophets are likened to an evil tree that cannot bear good fruit, but only evil fruit? Have you also not read and fully grasp the passage of 2Corthians 11 to understand that these are Satan's ministers transformed to appear as ministers of righteousness, and compared what Apostle Paul wrote with what The Lord said in Matthew 7:13-27 of how the false prophets dress themselves in sheepskins? Moreover, did you also grasp the sober instruction from Apostle Paul to not let them glory as being found even as we in 2Corinthians 11? Do not be deceived, the people that follow after them also appear as ministers of righteousness, and true to what The Lord Jesus Christ also said in Matthew 24 that they would show such great signs and wonders that if it were possible to deceive even the very elect! There are many ways in which they accomplish these things, but the most effective approach that these enemies of the cross have is with their having a form of godliness, as they masquerade as Christians. They also have a written record in their own writings of playing the "persecution card" for the sake of drawing sympathy. But what did The Lord Jesus Christ say in John 10? His sheep listen to Hi voice; NOT the voices of strangers. The "strangers" are false prophets and false teachers that are the theives and robbers. Furthermore, they are the same as warned by Apostle Peter in 2Peter 2-3 that sport themselves with their own deceivings while they feast with you. Would you agree that "Bible Study" is feasting on God's holy words? Are you aware that true to the words written in 2Peter 2:1 that these false prophets and false teachers speak evil of God the Father and The Lord Jesus Christ Who is the Way of Truth per John 14:6? Do you grasp that when they preach "another Jesus"; That is the very essence of speaking evil blasphemy of The Lord Jesus Christ as they promised liberty to their deceived, but yet they themselves are taken captive? Have you also not read what The Lord Jesus Christ had to say about having those among you that hold the doctrine of Balaam, has called for repentance of having them teach and seduce His servants in Revelation 2-3? These false prophets and false teachers are of the same that Apostle Paul warned about in 2Timothy 3:1-9, 12 as they have waxed worse and worse. The Lord has given clear instruction in 2Corinthians 6:14-18 to come out from among them and to be seaparate! These are Satan's children; NOT God's children. Also read 1Corinthians 10:20-22 and Acts 15:19-29, as what they teach are doctrines of devils and polutions of idols, and follow up with 1Timothy 4:1-2
 

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. You are not my Brother in Christ.
This struck a sad note inside of me.

I was born and raised a Catholic and attended weekly Catechism for years. My only defense of the Catholic Church is that the salvation and the nature of God as the Holy Trinity is affirmed each mass in the Apostle's Creed. I believe this creed to be spiritually accurate.

One day in my early teens I found a bible tract on the ground that outlined how salvation was possible by a contrite confession of sins to Jesus, and that it was the shed blood of Jesus dying on the cross that paid the penalty for my sins, all of my sins that I had committed or will, in moments of weakness ever commit. It described repentance, and how it is made possible, by inviting the Holy Spirit to live inside of you and to comfort and guide you in the life-long repentance process. It also said that Jesus has not lost a single one of those that the Father has trusted in His care. This gave me the blessed assured hope that my salvation was securely in the capable hands of Jesus.

The bible tract got me interested in the Word of God. I asked my mom to get me a bible for my birthday. I think that it was a Revised Standard Edition or something like that. A few months into my study I concluded that a lot of the doctrine and practices of the Catholic Church were contrary to scripture.

My mom loved the Catholic Church. Now, she didn't really understand much about doctrine or practice but she attended mass to worship the Lord and it brought peace to her. I spent the next 10 years trying to destroy her faith. I was very much a zealot for truth as you are now. My barrage against my mom caused her much hurt and anguish. I stopped doing it because it made her cry and broke her heart.

My wife was raised in the SDA faith but for years due to fire and brimstone preaching it caused a lot of damage mentally and spiritually. She was 56 when God explained to her in simple terms in scripture about salvation and repentance. When she finally learned that she was saved by Jesus she cried tears of joy.

I have attended many Sabbath services in the SDA but not have attended any for the last 4 years due to my work schedule. Now, I probably could have got my schedule changed but never made the effort. My only defense of the SDA is that they also believe in the salvation and repentance process and stress the importance of this during each service. The primary focus and the doctrine pertaining to it is that the Sabbath is still in effect. God wrote the 10 Commandments on stone with His finger. The 4th commandment is the only one that says the word "Remember" in it. Due to this one word I believe that it is still in effect too. I believe that the Sabbath is a complex subject and I don't fully understand it. Regardless, even if I did I wouldn't faithfully practice it because it is not convenient for me to do so. Also, the SDA has a lot of strange dietary beliefs that I don't really concur with but that it is not a salvation issue. They believe in tithing, so does my wife. I believe that we should help our brother and sister in need but don't want to be compelled to do so. The congregation I attended did not teach that you were compelled to do so either but if you do then do it out of love.

I do not consider myself to be an exemplary example of a Christian. Being a Christian means to be Christ-like. The truth is that if that is the standard then I have not met many Christians in my life. Well, my mom and dad were good Christians. My late second wife was a good Christian and my current and last wife is a good Christian too. There are also a few on this site. Myself, I am just an ordinary struggling Christian.

Even though I am married I hang out mostly in the Singles forum. It is more relaxing then the BDF and you really get to know who the members are and what they are about. I really don't know anything at all about you but perhaps you can join us in the Singles Forum for some fine Christian fellowship. I go there mostly for the coffee and donuts.
 

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I am not surprised that you choose not to repent from following after or endorsing those false religions, as you have repeatedly demonstrated before. It is easy for me to expose your contridictions here as you work to glorify yourself as being a Christian
If you take the time to read the post I submitted a few minutes ago you will come to realized that I do not glorify myself whatsoever as being a Christian.
 

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I am not surprised that you choose not to repent from following after or endorsing those false religions, as you have repeatedly demonstrated before. It is easy for me to expose your contridictions here as you work to glorify yourself as being a Christian, but for now I am going to use this post as a teaching moment for my Brethren in the faith, that might would otherwise be beguiled by you.
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This post is to all of my Brothers and Sisters that are born again by the Spirit of God:


@Pilgrimshope, last night you posted from the passage of Matthew 7:13-27 and underlined the severe consequences that The Lord Jesus Christ established for those that follow after false prophets. Do you not realize that the false prophets are likened to an evil tree that cannot bear good fruit, but only evil fruit? Have you also not read and fully grasp the passage of 2Corthians 11 to understand that these are Satan's ministers transformed to appear as ministers of righteousness, and compared what Apostle Paul wrote with what The Lord said in Matthew 7:13-27 of how the false prophets dress themselves in sheepskins? Moreover, did you also grasp the sober instruction from Apostle Paul to not let them glory as being found even as we in 2Corinthians 11? Do not be deceived, the people that follow after them also appear as ministers of righteousness, and true to what The Lord Jesus Christ also said in Matthew 24 that they would show such great signs and wonders that if it were possible to deceive even the very elect! There are many ways in which they accomplish these things, but the most effective approach that these enemies of the cross have is with their having a form of godliness, as they masquerade as Christians. They also have a written record in their own writings of playing the "persecution card" for the sake of drawing sympathy. But what did The Lord Jesus Christ say in John 10? His sheep listen to Hi voice; NOT the voices of strangers. The "strangers" are false prophets and false teachers that are the theives and robbers. Furthermore, they are the same as warned by Apostle Peter in 2Peter 2-3 that sport themselves with their own deceivings while they feast with you. Would you agree that "Bible Study" is feasting on God's holy words? Are you aware that true to the words written in 2Peter 2:1 that these false prophets and false teachers speak evil of God the Father and The Lord Jesus Christ Who is the Way of Truth per John 14:6? Do you grasp that when they preach "another Jesus"; That is the very essence of speaking evil blasphemy of The Lord Jesus Christ as they promised liberty to their deceived, but yet they themselves are taken captive? Have you also not read what The Lord Jesus Christ had to say about having those among you that hold the doctrine of Balaam, has called for repentance of having them teach and seduce His servants in Revelation 2-3? These false prophets and false teachers are of the same that Apostle Paul warned about in 2Timothy 3:1-9, 12 as they have waxed worse and worse. The Lord has given clear instruction in 2Corinthians 6:14-18 to come out from among them and to be seaparate! These are Satan's children; NOT God's children. Also read 1Corinthians 10:20-22 and Acts 15:19-29, as what they teach are doctrines of devils and polutions of idols, and follow up with 1Timothy 4:1-2
You gotta use paragraphs J-T, makes it easier for my weak tired eyes to read. :)
 

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While This is an old thread, let's go back to the original question. Is God one, presenting Himself in many forms or is God Triune.
Scripture leads on to accept the concept that God is a Triune God.

First evidence is in Genesis,

Gen 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the birds of the heavens, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

If God is not Triune, then to whom was God speaking? We know that Scripture teaches, that no one has ever been God's counselor at anytime. So God, was not talking to the angels. Man had not yet been created. So this plural conversation, must have been between the persons of the God'Head.

This is not to be understood as three Gods in one God but three distinct persons or characters in one God.

In the rest of the Old Testament we see only the Covenant LORD of Israel. Yahweh or Jehovah. We see the foreshadowing of Christ and His coming work of Redemption. We also see the work of the Spirit.

In the New Testament, It is Christ, the God-man who reveals the Father. The Holy Spirit is better brought into light by the epistles of the Apostles. We find also, that Christ is the "I am" of the Old Testament.

In a different approach to this question, we can use humanistic explanations, that are very interesting to the observing believer. Such as:

1) Mathematics: 1x1x1=1
2) In Scripture references of the number 3.
-- Man is a tripartite being. Made up of Body, Soul and spirit. (One material and two immaterial).
-- The World is made up of sky (also called heaven), earth and water.
-- There is the Old Testament economy, the New Testament economy and the Eternal economy.
3) From natural observation:
-- Man is divided into head, torso and legs.
-- Mans head has ears, eyes and a mouth.
-- The solar system is made up by a Sun, planets and moons.

These were included just for fun.
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I am not surprised that you choose not to repent from following after or endorsing those false religions, as you have repeatedly demonstrated before. It is easy for me to expose your contridictions here as you work to glorify yourself as being a Christian, but for now I am going to use this post as a teaching moment for my Brethren in the faith, that might would otherwise be beguiled by you.
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This post is to all of my Brothers and Sisters that are born again by the Spirit of God:


@Pilgrimshope, last night you posted from the passage of Matthew 7:13-27 and underlined the severe consequences that The Lord Jesus Christ established for those that follow after false prophets. Do you not realize that the false prophets are likened to an evil tree that cannot bear good fruit, but only evil fruit? Have you also not read and fully grasp the passage of 2Corthians 11 to understand that these are Satan's ministers transformed to appear as ministers of righteousness, and compared what Apostle Paul wrote with what The Lord said in Matthew 7:13-27 of how the false prophets dress themselves in sheepskins? Moreover, did you also grasp the sober instruction from Apostle Paul to not let them glory as being found even as we in 2Corinthians 11? Do not be deceived, the people that follow after them also appear as ministers of righteousness, and true to what The Lord Jesus Christ also said in Matthew 24 that they would show such great signs and wonders that if it were possible to deceive even the very elect! There are many ways in which they accomplish these things, but the most effective approach that these enemies of the cross have is with their having a form of godliness, as they masquerade as Christians. They also have a written record in their own writings of playing the "persecution card" for the sake of drawing sympathy. But what did The Lord Jesus Christ say in John 10? His sheep listen to Hi voice; NOT the voices of strangers. The "strangers" are false prophets and false teachers that are the theives and robbers. Furthermore, they are the same as warned by Apostle Peter in 2Peter 2-3 that sport themselves with their own deceivings while they feast with you. Would you agree that "Bible Study" is feasting on God's holy words? Are you aware that true to the words written in 2Peter 2:1 that these false prophets and false teachers speak evil of God the Father and The Lord Jesus Christ Who is the Way of Truth per John 14:6? Do you grasp that when they preach "another Jesus"; That is the very essence of speaking evil blasphemy of The Lord Jesus Christ as they promised liberty to their deceived, but yet they themselves are taken captive? Have you also not read what The Lord Jesus Christ had to say about having those among you that hold the doctrine of Balaam, has called for repentance of having them teach and seduce His servants in Revelation 2-3? These false prophets and false teachers are of the same that Apostle Paul warned about in 2Timothy 3:1-9, 12 as they have waxed worse and worse. The Lord has given clear instruction in 2Corinthians 6:14-18 to come out from among them and to be seaparate! These are Satan's children; NOT God's children. Also read 1Corinthians 10:20-22 and Acts 15:19-29, as what they teach are doctrines of devils and polutions of idols, and follow up with 1Timothy 4:1-2
Yes I’ve read all of those things for sure and understand your passion but something I’ve also read and has impacted Me greatly In my own personal experience with Christ is this

“And the servant of the Lord must not strive; but be gentle unto all men, apt to teach, patient, In meekness instructing those that oppose themselves;

if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth;

And that they may recover themselves out of the snare of the devil, who are taken captive by him at his will.”
‭‭2 Timothy‬ ‭2:24-26‬ ‭KJV‬‬


I’ve also learned about mercy and that it’s not My place to Make judgements on where someone else is in their knowledge of the Bible . Or tier relationship with Jesus Christ , or theirs ability to read and understand scripture .

So I’m not willing to attack Christians who don’t understand and yet are trying to share thier faith with people as they understand it . And are present in a discussion forum about the Bible possibly learning yet have formed some thoughts that may not be accurate or agree with my own.

i further understand the principle of the seed which doesn’t look like a flourishing apple tree when it’s planted , it has to first sprout out of the ground and then you don’t run to harvest the tiny seedling.

first it needs the care and gentle work of the patient gardener who is the one who is able to correct and judge those who believe different than I .

so my purpose is to point out who that is . I hope you take this in a good spirit

And agree false doctrine that rejects the word of God is deadly people should “!repent and believe the gospel” it saves folks souls instead of condemning them a heretic and arguing non stop it’s better to share the gospel with those who are deceived as we all once were
 

J-T

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This struck a sad note inside of me.
I was born and raised a Catholic and attended weekly Catechism for years. My only defense of the Catholic Church is that the salvation and the nature of God as the Holy Trinity is affirmed each mass in the Apostle's Creed. I believe this creed to be spiritually accurate.
One day in my early teens I found a bible tract on the ground that outlined how salvation was possible by a contrite confession of sins to Jesus, and that it was the shed blood of Jesus dying on the cross that paid the penalty for my sins, all of my sins that I had committed or will, in moments of weakness ever commit. It described repentance, and how it is made possible, by inviting the Holy Spirit to live inside of you and to comfort and guide you in the life-long repentance process. It also said that Jesus has not lost a single one of those that the Father has trusted in His care. This gave me the blessed assured hope that my salvation was securely in the capable hands of Jesus.
The bible tract got me interested in the Word of God. I asked my mom to get me a bible for my birthday. I think that it was a Revised Standard Edition or something like that. A few months into my study I concluded that a lot of the doctrine and practices of the Catholic Church were contrary to scripture.
My mom loved the Catholic Church. Now, she didn't really understand much about doctrine or practice but she attended mass to worship the Lord and it brought peace to her. I spent the next 10 years trying to destroy her faith. I was very much a zealot for truth as you are now. My barrage against my mom caused her much hurt and anguish. I stopped doing it because it made her cry and broke her heart.
My wife was raised in the SDA faith but for years due to fire and brimstone preaching it caused a lot of damage mentally and spiritually. She was 56 when God explained to her in simple terms in scripture about salvation and repentance. When she finally learned that she was saved by Jesus she cried tears of joy.
I have attended many Sabbath services in the SDA but not have attended any for the last 4 years due to my work schedule. Now, I probably could have got my schedule changed but never made the effort. My only defense of the SDA is that they also believe in the salvation and repentance process and stress the importance of this during each service. The primary focus and the doctrine pertaining to it is that the Sabbath is still in effect. God wrote the 10 Commandments on stone with His finger. The 4th commandment is the only one that says the word "Remember" in it. Due to this one word I believe that it is still in effect too. I believe that the Sabbath is a complex subject and I don't fully understand it.
Regardless, even if I did I wouldn't faithfully practice it because it is not convenient for me to do so. Also, the SDA has a lot of strange dietary beliefs that I don't really concur with but that it is not a salvation issue. They believe in tithing, so does my wife. I believe that we should help our brother and sister in need but don't want to be compelled to do so. The congregation I attended did not teach that you were compelled to do so either but if you do then do it out of love.
I do not consider myself to be an exemplary example of a Christian. Being a Christian means to be Christ-like. The truth is that if that is the standard then I have not met many Christians in my life. Well, my mom and dad were good Christians. My late second wife was a good Christian and my current and last wife is a good Christian too. There are also a few on this site. Myself, I am just an ordinary struggling Christian.
Even though I am married I hang out mostly in the Singles forum. It is more relaxing then the BDF and you really get to know who the members are and what they are about. I really don't know anything at all about you but perhaps you can join us in the Singles Forum for some fine Christian fellowship. I go there mostly for the coffee and donuts.
If you take the time to read the post I submitted a few minutes ago you will come to realized that I do not glorify myself whatsoever as being a Christian.
I can see that you are seeking to share what you have expierienced with sincerity, as well as an expressed desire for truth and I do appreciate that, however, I would be remiss if I did not bring some things to your attention with the goal of having an effectual communication. Since you are attempting to be sincere, I am more than willing to meet you halfway.

That stated, please understand that I am not beating you up, nor am I persecuting you. For the sake of proper dialog, based upon what you have shared, it is obvious to me, that you are still hanging on to the "leftovers" of what you have learned in the R.C.C., as well as what you had been taught by the S.D.A. as you still defend them because of your "experiences". I will address a bit more of that later, but for now, please allow for me to share a bit of information of what I have learned about people born into various cult religions, as the template is the same for all. There are a great number of testimonies of people, along with other data to substantiate and prove what I am to outlining.

I understand that being raised in a cult religion, whether it be the R.C.C., S.D.A., or any other group, and being told by Mom (or Dad) that this is good and is the right way, even when he or she doesn't fully understand the beliefs themselves, can and does make a lasting impact with devasting consequential effects, on the child/children into adulthood for the rest of life.

I have known of many people that have been born into various cult groups, believing everything that had been taught as being "truth", and die defending what they have been taught to believe. The term we used for that is "from the cradle to the grave".

Sadly, I have also encountered a large number of people that had been born into various cult group religions that had become so stumbled by the atrocities that they have experienced, that they had either become outright atheists and/or have joined the higher ranks of the Occult as Freemasons and Illuminati members. We term this as jumping from the frying pan into the fire", as they have only graduated into greater deception.

There is yet, another segment, that unlike the ones that are "from the cradle to the grave" of being strictly loyal to the cult group that they were born into, that go from one group to another, and one such example was a woman that I had met that was born into the R.C.C., but later joined the Jehovah's Witnesses, but later left them to join the Seveth Day Adventists, to later join the Mormons before making a full stop to pursue a lesbien relationship.

Another example was of a woman that had abandoned the Christian faith to become a witch, to later decide that she wanted to be a Muslim, and for a long period of years being inside and out of Psychiatric facilities.

The problem with each of these scenarios is that none of them had been able to find the narrow road that leads to eternal life, per Matthew 7:13-27

In contrast to the aforemention people born into cults and dying in their beliefs, and those of the other scenarios, I have also known many people, that by the grace of God, that have come to realize that they had been deceived since birth, be they 2nd generation, 3rd generation, 4th generation, 5th generation, and so forth to fully repent of what they had been taught since birth, turn to The True and Living Lord Jesus Christ for salvation. The key difference is that they were "born again", and had fully repented of those false religious groups.

There are a lot of many wonderful testimonies of the last group that I had mentioned, and if you are interested, I would be glad to share them with you, and in the meantime, we can discuss more of what the distinct differences are between the R.C.C., S.D.A., etc., to that of Biblical Christianity and perhaps also discuss what it truly means to be "born again".

I am also curious to learn more about the tract that you found on the ground, and who it was that produced it?
 

J-T

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Yes I’ve read all of those things for sure and understand your passion but something I’ve also read and has impacted Me greatly In my own personal experience with Christ is this

“And the servant of the Lord must not strive; but be gentle unto all men, apt to teach, patient, In meekness instructing those that oppose themselves;

if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth;

And that they may recover themselves out of the snare of the devil, who are taken captive by him at his will.”
‭‭2 Timothy‬ ‭2:24-26‬ ‭KJV‬‬


I’ve also learned about mercy and that it’s not My place to Make judgements on where someone else is in their knowledge of the Bible . Or tier relationship with Jesus Christ , or theirs ability to read and understand scripture .

So I’m not willing to attack Christians who don’t understand and yet are trying to share thier faith with people as they understand it . And are present in a discussion forum about the Bible possibly learning yet have formed some thoughts that may not be accurate or agree with my own.

i further understand the principle of the seed which doesn’t look like a flourishing apple tree when it’s planted , it has to first sprout out of the ground and then you don’t run to harvest the tiny seedling.

first it needs the care and gentle work of the patient gardener who is the one who is able to correct and judge those who believe different than I .

so my purpose is to point out who that is . I hope you take this in a good spirit

And agree false doctrine that rejects the word of God is deadly people should “!repent and believe the gospel” it saves folks souls instead of condemning them a heretic and arguing non stop it’s better to share the gospel with those who are deceived as we all once were
I absolutely fully agree with 2Timothy 2:24-26; and we also need to be properly balanced with the instruction from the other passages, such as 2Corinthians 11:12 as not all that are encountered here are Christians, but instead are deceivers and antichrists that have the obvious intentions of deceiving whom they will, and we can make those judgements based from the instruction given to us from The Lord and His chosen Apostles in the KJB. We must be of the same mind on these things. There are many instances where I have already encountered those that are like Barjesus, the name interpreted as Elymus, the sorcerer from Acts 13:6-12 that have withstood truth per 2Timothy 3:8 while sewing discord and division among Believers for the cause of working to prevent others from learning. I can cite the various instances.
 

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I can see that you are seeking to share what you have expierienced with sincerity, as well as an expressed desire for truth and I do appreciate that, however, I would be remiss if I did not bring some things to your attention with the goal of having an effectual communication. Since you are attempting to be sincere, I am more than willing to meet you halfway.

That stated, please understand that I am not beating you up, nor am I persecuting you. For the sake of proper dialog, based upon what you have shared, it is obvious to me, that you are still hanging on to the "leftovers" of what you have learned in the R.C.C., as well as what you had been taught by the S.D.A. as you still defend them because of your "experiences". I will address a bit more of that later, but for now, please allow for me to share a bit of information of what I have learned about people born into various cult religions, as the template is the same for all. There are a great number of testimonies of people, along with other data to substantiate and prove what I am to outlining.

I understand that being raised in a cult religion, whether it be the R.C.C., S.D.A., or any other group, and being told by Mom (or Dad) that this is good and is the right way, even when he or she doesn't fully understand the beliefs themselves, can and does make a lasting impact with devasting consequential effects, on the child/children into adulthood for the rest of life.

I have known of many people that have been born into various cult groups, believing everything that had been taught as being "truth", and die defending what they have been taught to believe. The term we used for that is "from the cradle to the grave".

Sadly, I have also encountered a large number of people that had been born into various cult group religions that had become so stumbled by the atrocities that they have experienced, that they had either become outright atheists and/or have joined the higher ranks of the Occult as Freemasons and Illuminati members. We term this as jumping from the frying pan into the fire", as they have only graduated into greater deception.

There is yet, another segment, that unlike the ones that are "from the cradle to the grave" of being strictly loyal to the cult group that they were born into, that go from one group to another, and one such example was a woman that I had met that was born into the R.C.C., but later joined the Jehovah's Witnesses, but later left them to join the Seveth Day Adventists, to later join the Mormons before making a full stop to pursue a lesbien relationship.

Another example was of a woman that had abandoned the Christian faith to become a witch, to later decide that she wanted to be a Muslim, and for a long period of years being inside and out of Psychiatric facilities.

The problem with each of these scenarios is that none of them had been able to find the narrow road that leads to eternal life, per Matthew 7:13-27

In contrast to the aforemention people born into cults and dying in their beliefs, and those of the other scenarios, I have also known many people, that by the grace of God, that have come to realize that they had been deceived since birth, be they 2nd generation, 3rd generation, 4th generation, 5th generation, and so forth to fully repent of what they had been taught since birth, turn to The True and Living Lord Jesus Christ for salvation. The key difference is that they were "born again", and had fully repented of those false religious groups.

There are a lot of many wonderful testimonies of the last group that I had mentioned, and if you are interested, I would be glad to share them with you, and in the meantime, we can discuss more of what the distinct differences are between the R.C.C., S.D.A., etc., to that of Biblical Christianity and perhaps also discuss what it truly means to be "born again".

I am also curious to learn more about the tract that you found on the ground, and who it was that produced it?
dear brother you have much to say but are you Listening ? This is where all of my belief comes from and the many many Many things he says exactly like it

“At that time Jesus answered and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes.

Even so, Father: for so it seemed good in thy sight. All things are delivered unto me of my Father: and no man knoweth the Son, but the Father; neither knoweth any man the Father, save the Son, and he to whomsoever the Son will reveal him.

Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me;

for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls. For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭11:25-30‬ ‭KJV‬‬

that’s my faith everything Jesus did said taught everything the Old Testament says about him everything the apostles said about him

should be everyone’s faith I’ve attended baptist and Protestant both of your asking which buildings I’ve been to the church is found in Gods word though.

But do you see how quickly you avoided this and had a lot to say to dismiss it ?

“And the servant of the Lord must not strive; but be gentle unto all men, apt to teach, patient, In meekness instructing those that oppose themselves;

if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth; And that they may recover themselves out of the snare of the devil, who are taken captive by him at his will.”
‭‭2 Timothy‬ ‭2:24-26‬ ‭

All the paths of the Lord are mercy and truth unto such as keep his covenant and his testimonies.”
‭‭Psalms‬ ‭25:10‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Let not mercy and truth forsake thee: bind them about thy neck; write them upon the table of thine heart:”
‭‭Proverbs‬ ‭3:3‬ ‭

“By mercy and truth iniquity is purged: and by the fear of the Lord men depart from evil.”
‭‭Proverbs‬ ‭16:6‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.

No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.”
‭‭John‬ ‭1:17-18‬ ‭

I’m just a believer after trying a few different denominations probably had most in common with Protestants I would say . I have issues with many details people think but im on a different path than to correct everyone and argue and create division in an already divided church.

I agree and again see your passion for correct doctrine I’m just sure no ones faith is In my word Or witness but I’m sure Gods testimony of Jesus is the right one to tell people about Which is the gospel .

God bless you though and again I see all of your passion and agree with the scriptures you shared there’s others though we shouldn’t put them against one another but accept them together

And not really looking to be examined or authorized by anyone or anything so I’m just here to discuss the Bible and fellowship