Apostle? or sent one?

Did you try Hebrew.?

The word is sent one In Hebrew is Shalach . God Shalach Abraham and all who he worksin to both will and do his good pleaures ,Still sending them out two by two

Who sent Abel?

Geneisis 4: 8 And Cain talked with Abel his brother: and it came to pass, when they were in the field, that Cain rose up against Abel his brother, and slew him

Cain under the influence of the father of lies denied it.

It is not simply someone sent. If that was the case you would be an Apostle when your wife sent you to the store. It is someone sent by God, with authority and purpose for a specific mission. There are no more Apostles, in the Biblical sense, after the death Of John.

Exactly, except my wife is not the one doing the the sending. She has no GPS power. Its limited to our household. And men are still be sent to declare the word of God the gospel.

The spiritual gift of apostleship has not ceased as prophets sent to declare the word of God. God is still the one that causes growth if any.

What is it you were hoping the word apostle could mean ?

Again I think it was highly influenced by a law of the fathers . A Catholic foundation. . . men lording it over the faith of non venerable pew sitters .Some today even outside of Catholicism add new meaning to the word as if God was serve by corrupted human hands. There is no reason for using the foreign Greek.

Why do you think he set a set a remnant of the whole 13 -1 = 12. there are 27 listed to include the apostle Jesus. Why not Judas.

Exactly, except my wife is not the one doing the the sending. She has no GPS power. Its limited to our household. And men are still be sent to declare the word of God the gospel.

The spiritual gift of apostleship has not ceased as prophets sent to declare the word of God. God is still the one that causes growth if any.

What is it you were hoping the word apostle could mean ?

Again I think it was highly influenced by a law of the fathers . A Catholic foundation. . . men lording it over the faith of non venerableI pew sitters .Some today even outside of Catholicism add new meaning to the word as if God was serve by corrupted human hands. There is no reason for using the foreign Greek.

Why do you think he set a set a remnant of the whole 13 -1 = 12. there are 27 listed to include the apostle Jesus. Why not Judas.

If, as you say, “There is no reason for using the foreign Greek,” then you can indeed define any word you wish according to your personal theology, which seems to be your tendency.

Thanks for the reply.

The word apostle has a definition assigned to it Sent one. It is used that exclusive way throughout the bible. Whether its the Greek "Apostle" or the Hebrew "Shalach".

Changing the meaning of the word sent ones to venerable ones as those who lord it over the faith of others is a Catholic thing passed on from the Pharisee with Sadaucesss, as a law of the father .

Same law the Catholic follow after with different fathers .The Jews usurped the authority of our unseen Holy Father in heaven .Not earthly Jerusalem or Rome. The faithless Jews using Abraham to replace our father in heaven usurping the unseen authority and Catholics replace Abraham with Peter. . same heresy different fathers.

It presents one of the "think not" holy commandments The Holy Spirit conferring he can create a bride made up of livings stones to reveal the spiritual unseen spiritual house of God the church. He does not need the corrupted flesh of any man .The Potter influences the clay the clay has no power of its own .

Matthew 3:9 And think not to say within yourselves, We have Abraham to our father: for I say unto you, that God is able of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham.

Note. . ( parenthesis) below my addition or change to make a point.

Matthew 3:9 And think not to say within yourselves, We have (Peter) to our father: for I say unto you, that God is able of these stones to raise up children unto (Peter)

The Spirit of Christ, the Holy Spirit of God in order to show he is not served by human hands in any way shape or form, in a ceremonial law using a donkey to represent the "unconverted" or "unredeemed" mankind as a apostle. He sent the donkey gave her his inspired prophecy. It worked in Balaam to both will and do His good pleasure of God . . stopping the madness of that false apostle. The Holy Spirit did not sent Balaam . He stopped him.

I would offer He does not have favorite Donkeys anymore than favorite men. He give favor as a gift. All of his children are his favorite

Catholisicim like faithless Judaism has turned that upside down making their authority" earthly inspired by men" . . .taking away the understanding that is "inspired from above".

Isaiah 29:16 Surely your turning of things upside down shall be esteemed as the potter's clay: for shall the work say of him that made it, He made me not? or shall the thing framed say of him that framed it, He had no understanding?

Gary, apostles were navy commanders and a tittle used in Greek culture before Jesus was born. He used the term as one sent out by Him “WITH HIS AUTHORITY AND POWER.” They all were given power to perform many miracles, even bring the dead back to life. Show me 1 apostle today that can heal the sick and bring a dead corpse back to life, besides Benny Hinn.

It means sent out by Jesus. They had all the gifts, do you Know anyone with every gift and miracle working power from on high?

Show me apostle that could .it was the word of the gospel that healed men never attributed to the hab nds of a Apostles .when those who had no faith saw with Paul had did .They wanted to worship them calling the men is the likesnes of gods.

The apostles have no power of themselves to heal . Faith healers are simply phoney baloney men tying to make a fast $$$$$. They called Paul the god called Mercury made the apostles into gods in the likeness of man .God is not a man , The flesh profits for zero

Preaching the word is where the power to heal comes from . Apotles = sent one

Acts14 :7-11 And there they preached the gospel. And there sat a certain man at Lystra, impotent in his feet, being a cripple from his mother's womb, who never had walked: The same heard Paul speak: who stedfastly beholding him, and perceiving that he had faith to be healed Said with a loud voice, Stand upright on thy feet. And he leaped and walked.
And when the people saw what Paul had done, they lifted up their voices, saying in the speech of Lycaonia, The gods are come down to us in the likeness of men.

Does the word apostle mean gods in the likeness of men?

Show me apostle that could .it was the word of the gospel that healed men never attributed to the hab nds of a Apostles .when those who had no faith saw with Paul had did .They wanted to worship them calling the men is the likesnes of gods.

The apostles have no power of themselves to heal . Faith healers are simply phoney baloney men tying to make a fast $$$$$. They called Paul the god called Mercury made the apostles into gods in the likeness of man .God is not a man , The flesh profits for zero

Preaching the word is where the power to heal comes from . Apotles = sent one

Acts14 :7-11 And there they preached the gospel. And there sat a certain man at Lystra, impotent in his feet, being a cripple from his mother's womb, who never had walked: The same heard Paul speak: who stedfastly beholding him, and perceiving that he had faith to be healed Said with a loud voice, Stand upright on thy feet. And he leaped and walked.
And when the people saw what Paul had done, they lifted up their voices, saying in the speech of Lycaonia, The gods are come down to us in the likeness of men.

Does the word apostle mean gods in the likeness of men?

One last try;
Matt 10:5-These twelve (The Apostles Jesus chose) Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not:

[7] And as ye go, preach, saying, The kingdom of heaven is at hand.

[8] Heal the sick, cleanse the lepers, raise the dead, cast out devils: freely ye have received, freely give.

Tabitha, whose Greek name was Dorcas, was raised from the dead by the apostle Peter.

Eutychus was a young man who lived (and died and lived again) in Troas. He was raised from the dead by the apostle Paul.

Garee, anyone can call themselves an apostle. But, the distinction in being an Apostle of Jesus the Christ is that one had to be chosen by Him at the time of His earthly ministry and be chosen for His inner circle to accomplish His will in a specific way as His personal representative.

So then the apostles are gods in the likeness of men ? Acts14 :7-11 or have you not studied that portion?

The apostles cannot raise anyone not even their own selves. They had the same power working in them (not of themselves) that any disciple of Christ that lives in a body of death . No power.

Why promote the phoney baloneys faith healers $$$$$$?

2 Corinthians 4:7 But we have this treasure in earthen vessels, that the excellency of the power may be of God, and not of us.

Why do you think he set aside 12 a remnant of all listed (27) to include the apostles Jesus? Why not 13 or 11? What was the purpose for 12 where do we find it ? Was it to make gods in the likeness of men?

It seems a line from an old movie is in order, “We have a failure to communicate.”

Garee, I understand what you are saying. You don’t understand my point.

What is it?

I think you meant “We have a failure to get under the authority of the actual one meaning of the word "sent one" Greek Apostle or Hebrew Shalach.

He sent (Shalach) Abel with the gospel. Cain murdered Abel .Plowed him under the corn to establish the foundation of Paganism .Out of sight out of mind. First apostle and martyr.

Who are you to tell him what his meaning was?

Words do not have authority. You insist that the word, "apostle" only ever means "sent one". It doesn't. Your stubbornness does not help you grow in understanding.


This demonstrates your mishandling of Scripture. You add many ideas to the story that aren't actually there, and you invent your own "theology". Abel was not "sent" at all; that concept isn't anywhere in the passage. He certainly did not have "the gospel". The gospel was not revealed until after Jesus' death on the cross. Cain did not "establish the foundation of paganism". Nothing in the text suggests that he did, let alone that such was his purpose.

The Bible is a closed book sealed with 7 seals. He tells us what the words mean by looking at the context .I am just sharing . Why do you resist the meaning?

It seems you suffer as to what the gospel is . He had favor or grace on Abel who talked to Cain .No favor was freely given to Cain the atheist. Cain in respect to his atheism plowed Abel under the corn . The first recorded martyr as well as prophets sent as a apostle . It revealed the pagan foundation no god in their heart. Out of sight out of mind.

Catholisicim destroyed the meaning of the word "sent one" so that they as venerable ones could lord it over the faith of the non venerable pew sitters .Carbon copy of the Pharisees with Sadaucesss. The pagan foundation out of sight out of mind. No faith needed coming from sola scriptura. (all thing written in the law and prophets.)

The Bible is a closed book sealed with 7 seals. He tells us what the words mean by looking at the context .

I see little chance of my ability to convince you that words should not be tossed into a pot for soup.

The Bible is not a closed book sealed with seven seals. If it were sealed, how could you open it?

Its his revelation he opens the understanding. Need more that he has revealed? How much more? Did you try mixing faith. It( Christ's faith) as it is written opens the understanding of the parables.