Calvinism and Context?

I could explain the difference between the natural mans "faith" and the "gift of faith", which is supernatural but what would be the point. You write much but little is of Scripture teachings. You think you know much but most is foolishness before God. You are likened to this person: 2Ti 3:7 Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth. I know this sounds harsh on my part but sooner or later it has to be said.

Even a learned person, should be able to distinguish between the things we obtain in our natural birth and the things needed to equip one as a believer.

I have to the assume then that you are asserting that you were saved and did not know the Gospel by what you keep repeating incessantly.

Scripture is clear faith comes by hearing....

you pointed out earlier that Christ "learned obedience" -- was He disobedient beforehand?
was there a period of time between birth and ~ 30 where Jesus was not the Savior of the world?

The Calvinist will often say, Jesus only died for those whom God chose [as "His"] before time [before creation].

However, Romans 8:9b says this:

"Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his."


[the underlined is true of us before we come to faith in Christ; therefore the bold is true of us before and up to that point]





QFT. = )

Elihu speaks wrong when he says that sin only affects those around Job and Job himself, as sin is ultimately against God

you pointed out earlier that Christ "learned obedience" -- was He disobedient beforehand?
was there a period of time between birth and ~ 30 where Jesus was not the Savior of the world?

this is what Elihu tells him.

you accuse Elihu of wickedness for much less than what Job himself says, but God calls Job righteous

is it right? you tell me

If you sin, what do you accomplish against Him?
Or, if your transgressions are multiplied, what do you do to Him?
If you are righteous, what do you give Him?
Or what does He receive from your hand?

the Bible has a couple questions for you on this topic:

this is Job 35:6-7 btw @Bbrdrd, what you are calling false speech & lies.
i'm not seeing it??

I am not accusing Elihu of anything

You quote Elihu's speech in defense of Elihu's speech?

You quote Elihu's speech in defense of Elihu's speech?

His youth and anger both prepare the reader to disregard him

lol.

ever since i pointed out that when you called likened CV5 to him, meaning it as an insult, that according to scripture it doesn't appear to be so insulting, you've spent the whole day trying to figure out a way to make it back into an insult. looking for Satan in the scripture, instead of looking for Christ.

The funny thing about Job....God rebukes Job, all three of Jod's older friends as wrong and the only one he does not rebuke is the young whipper snapper that held his tongue until the end and then spoke after the 4 (wiser) old men .....

Right. You're full of bluster and accusations, yet when it comes to discussing Scripture in context you spoke of it as being "nit picky."

When you're ready to actually discuss what is present within Scripture, I'll be happy to oblige. But so long as you think your cherry-picked theology is the whole of Scripture you will never be able to truly understand the depth of the Bible's richness.

It's rather amusing to me how often rather than engaging in discussion and rebutting the things that I say the response is to elevate yourselves and your view of Scripture as unassailable, to equate your views with the plain text of Scripture, and to shut down conversations by putting yourselves in God's position and saying God is unquestionable. If your views were so strong, why would you need such tactics rather than defending them openly?

Elihu not having a place to speak

Well let's see...... maybe because every time a discussion about Scripture is truly underway, attempts through human logic and understanding try to take precedence over a true genuine discussion. All of us have seen the posts, coming from you and others, who use every means at their disposal to try and shut up the ones who are honoring God and debasing man. If you are any else was truly interested in the Truth, you would be curious as to why this or that Doctrine, has been developed. The truth is, you don't like it because it debases man and you can't stand having your own foolish pride attacked. You say nothing that honors God and gives Him the Glory. Instead you attempt to elevate creation to the level of the Creator. You claim a love of God but defend man's rights at every turn. You can't have it both ways. Your thinking is circular but it travels in the wrong direction.

As I said earlier, everything starts from God, goes to man, returns to God. It does not start from man, goes to God and returns to man. If you don't see the truth in this, then you have not God. This is the teaching from Genesis 1:1 to Revelation 22:21

That's fine, as I said earlier if you don't see it you don't see it.