Is Acts 2.38 the plan of salvation ?
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Peter preached the death of Jesus as a murder indictment to Israel (Acts 2:36), Jesus is dead because they crucified him.
He preached the resurrection of Jesus as proof to Israel that he is indeed their promised Messiah (John 20:31)
Thus, Acts 2:38 means Israel is to change their mind about Christ, believe that he is indeed their promised Messiah, and be water baptized into the priesthood.
All these are not the same as preaching 1 Cor 15:1-4.
He preached the resurrection of Jesus as proof to Israel that he is indeed their promised Messiah (John 20:31)
Thus, Acts 2:38 means Israel is to change their mind about Christ, believe that he is indeed their promised Messiah, and be water baptized into the priesthood.
All these are not the same as preaching 1 Cor 15:1-4.
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Acts 2:36 flows into vs 37, which flows into 38.
You cannot be said to fully understand why Peter said Acts 2:38, if you do not know the conclusion that Peter told Israel in Acts 2:36, and before they were pricked in the conscience and asked Peter in vs37 "What should we do".
Israel needed Pilate to approve the killing of Jesus, their Jewish leaders could not authorize the death of Jesus on their own.
In fact, Pilate wanted to free Jesus. (John 19:12)
You cannot be said to fully understand why Peter said Acts 2:38, if you do not know the conclusion that Peter told Israel in Acts 2:36, and before they were pricked in the conscience and asked Peter in vs37 "What should we do".
Israel needed Pilate to approve the killing of Jesus, their Jewish leaders could not authorize the death of Jesus on their own.
In fact, Pilate wanted to free Jesus. (John 19:12)
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We are just sharing our different perspectives.
There is no need to use the threat of ignore as some kind of virtue signaling device, like so many are fond of doing that in this forum.
If you don't want to hear other perspectives, just don't respond or ignore, no one is worse off other than you when you do that.
There is no need to use the threat of ignore as some kind of virtue signaling device, like so many are fond of doing that in this forum.
If you don't want to hear other perspectives, just don't respond or ignore, no one is worse off other than you when you do that.
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Because the Gospel is not 1,) repent
2) be baptised for the remission of sins 3 ) To then recieve the Holy spirit .
As was commanded to Israel. ( Jews )
When you say ' repent ' I say " from what " ,or about what? from dead works ? from thinking Jesus was not the messiah ? from false gods / idols .
The Gospel itself explains what a person must believe to recieve . Its not a formula. its The power of God unto salvation. , Rom 1 .16 . Its the truth that Jesus was who he said he was . Romans 10 ,9.10 ,( Kurios) That he died for eveyones sins without exception ( 1 cor 15 .1-4) according to the scriptures. The Holy Spirit reproves the world of sin ,righteousness and Judgement. We persuade with the truth of the Gospel reasoning from the scriptures. They need to believe . Salvation is by faith . Belief is the access .
2) be baptised for the remission of sins 3 ) To then recieve the Holy spirit .
As was commanded to Israel. ( Jews )
When you say ' repent ' I say " from what " ,or about what? from dead works ? from thinking Jesus was not the messiah ? from false gods / idols .
The Gospel itself explains what a person must believe to recieve . Its not a formula. its The power of God unto salvation. , Rom 1 .16 . Its the truth that Jesus was who he said he was . Romans 10 ,9.10 ,( Kurios) That he died for eveyones sins without exception ( 1 cor 15 .1-4) according to the scriptures. The Holy Spirit reproves the world of sin ,righteousness and Judgement. We persuade with the truth of the Gospel reasoning from the scriptures. They need to believe . Salvation is by faith . Belief is the access .
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i never said it was, do you have a comprehension issue also?
it was not commanded that was to the jews either, it does not say repent and be baptized to receive remissiom of sin, why would you think it does, if one studies in the Greek, they would see that, water baptism has never gotten one person remission of sin,
what are we before we come to Christ? gods enemy right? What do we think of God, what do we think of ourselves? What do we think of our sin issue and the condemnation we earn from that sin issue?
you will NEVER come to faith with that belief,
NO ONE will come to faith in Christ, unless they first “change your mind” repent. Which takes God working in you to change your view, but changing your view MUST be done
a belief without repentance is mere belief, that never saved anyone,
it was not commanded that was to the jews either, it does not say repent and be baptized to receive remissiom of sin, why would you think it does, if one studies in the Greek, they would see that, water baptism has never gotten one person remission of sin,
what are we before we come to Christ? gods enemy right? What do we think of God, what do we think of ourselves? What do we think of our sin issue and the condemnation we earn from that sin issue?
you will NEVER come to faith with that belief,
NO ONE will come to faith in Christ, unless they first “change your mind” repent. Which takes God working in you to change your view, but changing your view MUST be done
a belief without repentance is mere belief, that never saved anyone,
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You think I am worse off because I stop responding to someone who refuses to listen to what others are saying and continues to prove it by hw they respond to that person?
i just spent how long trying to explain to you that while YES, peter message was to the jews. the gospel message he proclaimed to the jews is applicable to both jew and gentile (ie, I admitted he was speaking to the jews)
and like you always do, you kept pushing how peter was talking to the jews ( a fact I already ageed to) and would not relent.
you do that all the time, that’s why myself and others can not have a normal conversation with you, it’s like yournset on one point, and that’s all your going to focus on, no matter what
that hurts conversation, it does not help.
so here, I will no longer respond to you, if I do. Please do not respond back,
i just spent how long trying to explain to you that while YES, peter message was to the jews. the gospel message he proclaimed to the jews is applicable to both jew and gentile (ie, I admitted he was speaking to the jews)
and like you always do, you kept pushing how peter was talking to the jews ( a fact I already ageed to) and would not relent.
you do that all the time, that’s why myself and others can not have a normal conversation with you, it’s like yournset on one point, and that’s all your going to focus on, no matter what
that hurts conversation, it does not help.
so here, I will no longer respond to you, if I do. Please do not respond back,
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1. Person 1. take Peter literally
response, he is not saying what yu think
2 person 1, quotes vs 36, when our discussion is vs 38
response, we are talking about 38 not 36
3. person 1. vs 36 proves peter is talking to jews, those who crucified Christ
response, yes, but remember Romans (gentiles did 2. And yes, he IS TALKING TO JEWS, but it does not mean his message is only applicable to them
4. person 1 (even though person 2 already admitted peter was talking to jews) posts numerous verses, and claims they all prove peter was speaking to jews (a fact person 2 already admitted to) and said gentiles did not come in until later
see the issue here? He is on a mission to prove peter was speaking to jews, to prove his point Peters message was to jews only. That he could not see The other person already admitted he was talking to the jews,
it happens all the time, that’s WHY I said what I did,
response, he is not saying what yu think
2 person 1, quotes vs 36, when our discussion is vs 38
response, we are talking about 38 not 36
3. person 1. vs 36 proves peter is talking to jews, those who crucified Christ
response, yes, but remember Romans (gentiles did 2. And yes, he IS TALKING TO JEWS, but it does not mean his message is only applicable to them
4. person 1 (even though person 2 already admitted peter was talking to jews) posts numerous verses, and claims they all prove peter was speaking to jews (a fact person 2 already admitted to) and said gentiles did not come in until later
see the issue here? He is on a mission to prove peter was speaking to jews, to prove his point Peters message was to jews only. That he could not see The other person already admitted he was talking to the jews,
it happens all the time, that’s WHY I said what I did,
And I disagree with you because peter was preaching the gospel of the kingdom to Israel, which as Jesus himself said in Matthew 10:5-8 was not meant for gentiles at all
My point of view towards putting on ignore is this, we learn more from discussing with people who disagrees with us than those who do
So when you ignore someone, you will learn less
My point of view towards putting on ignore is this, we learn more from discussing with people who disagrees with us than those who do
So when you ignore someone, you will learn less