Elect according to the foreknowledge of God. 1 Peter 1:2

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OIC1965

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Yes it’s persons

he saw who.

who is who? Jesus told us in John 6 whoever would see and believe

we see it from the begining, Adam and Eve could have rejected Gods forgiveness. Instead they allowed him to cloth them and cover their nakedness (Sin)

abraham, god made promises, abraham without seeing believed, and because of that, God imputes to him

david, the man after gods own heart, before he committed his grave sins, Because he had faith in god

we can read hebrews 11” and see all the great men And women of faith, people who God saw, and predestined to be justified freely. not because of what they did, but because of what God did or was going to do,
Amen.
 

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God foreknows each and every person life even before they are born.. He knows how each person will respond to His will even before they make the response.. Therefore from that foreknowledge He can foreknow whom He will conform to the image of Jesus..

Romans 8: KJV {29} For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren."
If God knows every person before they are born, then according to Romans 8:29 every person will be conformed to the image of his Son. This foreknowledge in Romans is the knowledge of those who have received Jesus and has given the power to become sons of God. This occurs upon receiving Jesus Christ. See Galatians 4.

9 But now, after that ye have known God, or rather are known of God, how turn ye again to the weak and beggarly elements, whereunto ye desire again to be in bondage?

After ye are known of God, why are you turning back and placing yourselves under the law?
 

throughfaith

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If God knows every person before they are born, then according to Romans 8:29 every person will be conformed to the image of his Son. This foreknowledge in Romans is the knowledge of those who have received Jesus and has given the power to become sons of God. This occurs upon receiving Jesus Christ. See Galatians 4.

9 But now, after that ye have known God, or rather are known of God, how turn ye again to the weak and beggarly elements, whereunto ye desire again to be in bondage?

After ye are known of God, why are you turning back and placing yourselves under the law?
Amen .
 

OIC1965

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Can it be
But in no way started before we exist?Nor before we believed? The conforming / adoption begins at glorification.
The predestining is in eternity past. The conforming begins at the New Birth.
 
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Just curious to find out how different people here understand this verse/phrase. What does it mean that we are Elect according to the foreknowledge of God?

It’s obvious that it means that Election is based on God’s foreknowledge, but there are different views as to what that means.

Discuss, if you please.
Exodus 19:3-6 provides the understanding. The nation of Israel was elected to be God’s holy nation, as peter further elaborate in 1 peter 2.

Hence the elect according to peter, refers to the Jews and not gentiles.
 

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Yes.. God has the names of the ones saved in His Book of life from the foundation of the world.. He has foreknown it all since then.. He known the beggining and the end..

Ephesians 1: KJV
4 "According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:"

Revelation 17: KJV
8 The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.


God revealed this to the prophet Jeremiah when he was just a boy..

Jeremiah 1: KJV

4 "Then the word of the LORD came unto me, saying, {5} Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee; and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee, and I ordained thee a prophet unto the nations."
 

OIC1965

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If God knows every person before they are born, then according to Romans 8:29 every person will be conformed to the image of his Son. This foreknowledge in Romans is the knowledge of those who have received Jesus and has given the power to become sons of God. This occurs upon receiving Jesus Christ. See Galatians 4.

9 But now, after that ye have known God, or rather are known of God, how turn ye again to the weak and beggarly elements, whereunto ye desire again to be in bondage?

After ye are known of God, why are you turning back and placing yourselves under the law?
Good points. But remember, in the golden chain, predestination is before calling and justification.
 

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After ye are known of God, why are you turning back and placing yourselves under the law?
What? I am only talking about Gods foreknowledge.. Not the Law..
 

throughfaith

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Yes.. God has the names of the ones saved in His Book of life from the foundation of the world.. He has foreknown it all since then.. He known the beggining and the end..

Ephesians 1: KJV
4 "According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:"

Revelation 17: KJV
8 The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.


God revealed this to the prophet Jeremiah when he was just a boy..

Jeremiah 1: KJV

4 "Then the word of the LORD came unto me, saying, {5} Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee; and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee, and I ordained thee a prophet unto the nations."
So we have 'from 'not before .
And a verse talking about Jeremiah ?
Eph I is talking about when we are 'in Him 'which is after we believe..Then we are chosen to be holy and blameless.
 

OIC1965

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That's where we disagree. I believe that's calvinistic thinking and not biblical.
I’m not a Calvinist.

In Romans 8, 29, doesn’t predestination come before calling and justification?

Calling and justification are the beginning of God’s work in us in time. Yet predestination preceded them.
 

throughfaith

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I’m not a Calvinist.

In Romans 8, 29, doesn’t predestination come before calling and justification?

Calling and justification are the beginning of God’s work in us in time. Yet predestination preceded them.
I said calvinst thinking. Arminianism is Calvinstic thinking. There aren't many denominations that aren't affected by calvinistic thinking.
 

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Here are a few notable opinions. Food for thought.

"The fact is that “foreknowledge” is never used in Scripture in connection with events or actions; instead, it always has reference to persons. It is persons God is said to “foreknow,” not the actions of those persons."​


"The foreknowledge spoken of (in Romans 8:29) is foreknowledge of persons, not events. The statement reads, “whom He foreknew…” You see this as well in Romans 11:2, speaking of His endearment to Israel: “God did not reject His people whom He foreknew.” Therefore we can deduce that foreknowledge as related to salvation is not just seeing a person’s conversion experience prior to election and therefore electing on the basis of the individual’s choice. It is a foreloving of persons."​

"The word foreknowledge is actually better understood as “thought of endearingly beforehand,” or “foreloved,” or “foreordained with forethought.”​

"[God’s foreknowledge is] the selective knowledge of God that makes one an object of God’s love; it is more than mere knowledge or cognition beforehand. The term focuses on God motivation to act, relating to persons rather than what the persons will or will not do."​


"In this context, God’s foreknowing is divinely purposed, foreknowing only those who would be effectually called in time to saving faith in Christ. When the New Testament speaks of God foreknowing, the object is always people rather than facts, and these people are always objects of His redemption."​

"The foreknowledge of God is based upon His decree, plan, or purpose which expresses His will, and not upon some foreseen act of positive volition on the part of man."​




Just an observation, but you sure do have to add a lot to this scripture to make it say what you want it to, and honestly I see it so unnecessary to glorify "your choice" so much. Do you not see the self glorification in ALWAYS going so far out of your way to insert this into everything? I mean do I need you in order to understand this verse? (not just "you" but a teacher in general. an outside source)

Look I know I have my own whole set of problems God is working in me on, but I can't help like feeling so much attention brought to "my choice" is kind of the boast no man has a right to, that's why salvation is of God least any of us boast. This said I do want to be very clear that I acknowledge we are speaking about eternal truths and the very nature of God and His creation, so I try not to let my head get too big when thinking on these things. So I believe 100% that we are made in Gods image and absolutely do have a will. He clear tells us to choose all over His word. So when I am trying to grasp things like the nature of Gods sovereignty in relation to evil that men do and in light of the fact this sovereign God tells us to "choose", I as a creation have to accept that some things are beyond me. I can't lie how Gods sovereignty meshes with our will is one of the biggest mysteries I've been faced with on this journey so far.

That said I do 100% believe God is in control of everything. I do believe that besides being how it works most of the time in the bible, that you hear the gospel, His Spirit draws you in and you "give your life" to Jesus and are reborn. No doubt, I do not deny this nor am I in any way trying to belittle this view or anything of that nature. Praise Jesus name for every one He saves and praise Him for every single way He draws us to Him. My big question is though when it does work this way, when you decide to step forth and "declare Jesus Lord of your life", who gets the credit for that decision in your mind? the person? Or Jesus? I of course say that Jesus gets all credit and glory to the point that "my choice" is so overshadowed by my gratitude and awe as to be made so instantly insignificant as to never be mentioned again.

I just have a testimony that I've shared so many times here that I wont now, but I went to the alter when called, repeated they prayer, was even baptized in His name and declared saved, yet I did not know Him. I thought I did but there was no change in anything, I played around with going to church when I felt like it for about 5 years, I liked the idea of Jesus, but He wasn't my Lord. Then I hit hard hard times. Was broken down to my core and the core shattered, and there was nothing there to save me, I was at the end of my rope and saw clearly what "my way" lead to. At this moment in my life if I had ever believed in God, I did not now. As I said I was broken and thought I had done the "Christian thing" and it didn't help. When I hit my knees this time it was not with a recited prayer, a call to Jesus, or God, or anyone but me really. I hit my knees and cried out "I can't do this anymore, I can't do this anymore, I can't do this anymore, world you win, ?I lose, and I quit!!!"

That was it, after that I picked my soaking blubbering heap of a mess up off the floor, dried myself off and went to sleep. That was God granting me repentance and I didn't even know what it was at the time, nor did I have any clue that I was going to wake up the next day a new creation straight up and by lunch had lead me to the fact that I had been born again, God was real and Jesus was His Son. Praise our awesome God!!!!!!!!!

I'll end with saying that I also understand that this too doesn't "prove" anything to you, and I'm honestly not trying to. I don't think you are real wrong at all, I just think you put too much attention o n our choice that would be better place on thankfulness for His grace. But that's just what I see and to be honest have no problem at all with how God walks with you as compared to me. I just truly think the truth is in the middle of these two sides and should bring us together rather than drive us apart. Anyway have a great day brother.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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ok you say //God saw me before the creation of the world. And chose to conform me to the image of his son.//
Which verses say this? ( And your answer may reveal my point about Arminism being a branch of calvinistic thinking)
EPH 1 makes this clear. If god said he chose us before the foundation then he did

Arminianism is a legalistic works based gospel system Calvinism is faith based

They are different sides of the spectrum
 
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Ephesians 1:4 chosen to be holy and blameless before Him in love. It’s election to a relationship and standing before God. God loved us and knew us intimately before we were born or even before the world was made
As David said god knew him before he was even conceived
 
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eternally-gratefull

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' In Him ' . We become in him ( him , being Jesus ,the only elect preexisting one before the foundation of the world ) in time . Calvinism and other reformed thinking groups have to have this verse to be a choosing before they exist ..But for bible believers every time ' predestination ' shows up its for a future occurrence, which only is for those in Christ . No one is in Christ before they exist. ( Eph 2.11-12) ) After we are in Christ all those are chosen to be holy and blameless in Him . Only those are chosen to be conformed to his image at glorification/ adoption . ROM 8.23
It was predestined all the same

It is in him that makes this predestination a reality
 

throughfaith

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EPH 1 makes this clear. If god said he chose us before the foundation then he did

Arminianism is a legalistic works based gospel system Calvinism is faith based

They are different sides of the spectrum
Have you noticed what you missed in quoting Eph 1.4 ?
 
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eternally-gratefull

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God does foreknow our actions. But knowing a person means a lot more than knowing their actions.
Amen. He knows ya better than we know ourselves. That’s how he could out pharaoh in charge of Egypt. Because he knew exactly how pharaoh would respond
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Can it be
But in no way started before we exist?Nor before we believed? The conforming / adoption begins at glorification.
No it begins at the moment of faith

He who began a good work will
Complete it

It is completed at glorification