Did the apostles teach baptism?

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Magenta

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The apostles were baptized with the Holy Spirit and with fire. :)

Water baptism is symbolic of cleansing.
 

oyster67

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Acts 8 how does the eunuch know about baptism? All it says is Philip preached Jesus!
John Baptist had a large following and influence at the time. Many physical things point towards, are symbolic of, and are done in remembrance of Spiritual things. They are nice, but they do not save.

Jesus' Atonement fulfilled all things. All we need do is humbly receive that and that alone.
 

GraceAndTruth

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To the question posed on the thread
The eunuch was on his way from Jerusalem where he probably had heard about the baptism of Jesus.
 

JaumeJ

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Jesus-Yeshua teaches us water baptism in His own actions, not to mention His teaching of Nicodemus.

If we are to imitate Him the least we can do is believe Him and follow His example.
 

GraceAndTruth

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The apostles were baptized with the Holy Spirit and with fire. :)

Water baptism is symbolic of cleansing.
There was no baptism with fire...the fire in Acts 2 was symbolic of the Holy Spirit so there is no AND: "Holy Spirit and fire"
This particular filling was to empower them to preach the gospel with boldness and in other languages as explained in following verses
The Holy Spirit had previously been given them by Jesus in John 20:22

Baptism is not a cleansing. Jesus did not need cleansing, his baptism was to identify Himself with John's preaching of repenting
(repent - to have a change of mind, sorrow for sin
And it is always by immersion. (baptizo -to be fully immersed) The Jews practiced sprinkling.
 

oyster67

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There was no baptism with fire.
Matthew
3:10 And now also the axe is laid unto the root of the trees: therefore every tree which bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.
3:11 I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance: but he that cometh after me is mightier than I, whose shoes I am not worthy to bear: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost, and [with] fire:
3:12 Whose fan [is] in his hand, and he will throughly purge his floor, and gather his wheat into the garner; but he will burn up the chaff with unquenchable fire.
 
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Acts 8 how does the eunuch know about baptism? All it says is Philip preached Jesus!
The primitive Church MUST have had Baptism as part of their gospel. In
  1. Acts 2:38 it is a prerequisite for receiving the Baptism of the Holy Spirit
  2. Acts 2:41 the converts were convinced of it
  3. Acts Chapter 8 it was connected to preaching and converting
  4. The Eunuch in Acts 8 asked about it when he saw water. There is no baptism in Isaiah. Philip must have taught it
  5. Acts 9:18 Paul was immediately Baptized "when the scales fell from his eyes"
  6. Acts Chapter 10 Cornelius was Baptized immediately by order of Peter
  7. Acts 16:15 Lydia was immediately Baptized
  8. Acts 18:8 all new converts were Baptized immediately
  9. Acts 19 is proof of Acts 2:38. Baptism is not enough. It must be in Jesus' Name
  10. Acts 22:16 Paul was called into question when he "tarried" before his Baptism
I dare say that Baptism was a major point in the gospel of the primitive Church. Scripture give at least five major reasons why a Christian convert is to be immersed. But above all these, it is a COMMAND. Mark 16:16 is emphatic.
 

GraceAndTruth

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Matthew
3:10 And now also the axe is laid unto the root of the trees: therefore every tree which bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.
3:11 I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance: but he that cometh after me is mightier than I, whose shoes I am not worthy to bear: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost, and [with] fire:
3:12 Whose fan [is] in his hand, and he will throughly purge his floor, and gather his wheat into the garner; but he will burn up the chaff with unquenchable fire.
I guess we will just have to disagree that there was no actual fire....I see it as symbolic.
 

Nehemiah6

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Acts 8 how does the eunuch know about baptism? All it says is Philip preached Jesus!
Did the apostles teach baptism? Absolutely? Did Philip tell the Ethiopian about baptism? Absolutely. But neither of them taught baptismal regeneration.
 

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Jesus-Yeshua teaches us water baptism in His own actions, not to mention His teaching of Nicodemus.

If we are to imitate Him the least we can do is believe Him and follow His example.
Yes. As long as we understand that water baptism does not save anyone. Jesus preached, and the Disciples water baptized new believers that were converted by hearing Jesus preach. That water baptism did not save them or guarantee eternal life.
 

JaumeJ

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Acts 8 how does the eunuch know about baptism? All it says is Philip preached Jesus!
It always was my understanding that the Ethiopian learned of the Baptism by water from the recounting of the Gospel to him by the Apostle.
 
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The apostles were baptized with the Holy Spirit and with fire. :)

Water baptism is symbolic of cleansing.
You have scripture that says baptism is symbolic???


Baptism!

Old Testament pre-figures of baptism.

Psalm 36:9
For with thee is the fountain of life: in thy light shall we see light.

Song of Solomon 4:15
A fountain of gardens, a well of living waters, and streams from Lebanon.

Isaiah 41:18
I will open rivers in high places, and fountains in the midst of the valleys: I will make the wilderness a pool of water, and the dry land springs of water.

Ez 36:25 Then will I sprinkle clean water upon you, and ye shall be clean: from all your filthiness, and from all your idols, will I cleanse you.
26 A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put withi n you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.
27 And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.

New Testament

Matt 28:19 ( Disciples by baptism not faith alone)
Mk 1:4 John did baptize in the wilderness, and preach the baptism of repentance for the remission of sins.

Mark 16:16 he who believes and is baptized shall be saved!

Jn 1: 11 He came unto his own, and his own received him not.

12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:

13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God. (Baptism)
John1:26 John answered them, saying, I baptize with water: but there standeth one among you, whom ye know not; (John prepared the way by baptism)

John 2:6 And there were set there six waterpots of stone, after the manner of the purifying of the Jews, containing two or three firkins apiece. (Old covenant prefiguring of baptism, purification from sin)

John3:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. (Baptism)

John 3:22 After these things came Jesus and his disciples into the land of Judaea; and there he tarried with them, and baptized. 23 And John also was baptizing in Aenon near to Salim, because there was much water there: and they came, and were baptized.(Baptism)

John 4:4 When therefore the Lord knew how the Pharisees had heard that Jesus made and baptized more disciples than John.
Act 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.(Baptism)

Acts 8:36 And as they went on their way, they came unto a certain water: and the eunuch said, See, here is water; what doth hinder me to be baptized?

37 And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God.

Acts 22:16 And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.

Rom 3:24 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:

Rom 6:4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.

Romans 6:3
Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?

Acts 2:47 Praising God, and having favour with all the people. And the Lord added to the church daily such as should be saved.

1 Corinthians 12:13
For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.

Galatians 3:27
For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.

Ephesians 4:5 
One Lord, one faith, one baptism,

Colossians 2:12
Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead.

Titus 3:5 Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost; (baptism)

1 Peter 1:22
Seeing ye have purified your souls in obeying the truth through the Spirit unto unfeigned love of the brethren, see that ye love one another with a pure heart fervently: see Ez 36

1 Pet 3:20 Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.

21 The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us!
(Ark of Noah a type of the church, member of Christ and his church and salvation by baptism!)
(Outside the ark and the church there is no salvation!)

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Context of Jn 3:5 “born again”

John1:26 John answered them, saying, I baptize with water: but there standeth one among you, whom ye know not; (John prepared the way by baptism)

John 2:6 And there were set there six waterpots of stone, after the manner of the purifying of the Jews, containing two or three firkins apiece. (Old covenant prefiguring of baptism, purification from sin)(His disciples believed because the ever Virgin mother of God interceded Jn 2:11)

John3:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. (Baptism)

John 3:22 After these things came Jesus and his disciples into the land of Judaea; and there he tarried with them, and baptized. 23 And John also was baptizing in Aenon near to Salim, because there was much water there: and they came, and were baptized.(Baptism)

John 4:4 When therefore the Lord knew how the Pharisees had heard that Jesus made and baptized more disciples than John.

Born again means Baptism!

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Becoming a Disciple by baptism!

Matt 28:19 Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,

John 3:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

John 3:22 After these things came Jesus and his disciples into the land of Judaea; and there he tarried with them, and baptized.

John 4:4 When therefore the Lord knew how the Pharisees had heard that Jesus made and baptized more disciples than John,

Act 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.

Acts 8:36 And as they went on their way, they came unto a certain water: and the eunuch said, See, here is water; what doth hinder me to be baptized?
 
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John Baptist had a large following and influence at the time. Many physical things point towards, are symbolic of, and are done in remembrance of Spiritual things. They are nice, but they do not save.

Jesus' Atonement fulfilled all things. All we need do is humbly receive that and that alone.
you can only receive it by baptism
Acts 2:38
1 pet 1:2 Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied.


Mark 16:16 The requirements for those who are being saved cannot be undone by the requirements for those not being saved! He who believes and is baptized is still required for salvation? Heaven and earth may pass away but my words shall not pass away!

1 Corinthians 12:13
For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.
EPH 1:13 4:30 sealed
 
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I guess we will just have to disagree that there was no actual fire....I see it as symbolic.
the fire is love of God!
And the light of truth!
Ez 36:25 Then will I sprinkle clean water upon you, and ye shall be clean: from all your filthiness, and from all your idols, will I cleanse you.
26 A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put withi n you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.
27 And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.
 
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Did the apostles teach baptism? Absolutely? Did Philip tell the Ethiopian about baptism? Absolutely. But neither of them taught baptismal regeneration.

Titus 3:5 Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost; (baptismal regeneration)
 

Magenta

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You have scripture that says baptism is symbolic???
... this water symbolizes the baptism that now saves you also—not the removal of dirt from the body, but the pledge of a clear conscience toward God—through the resurrection of Jesus Christ,

The Biblical formula is: repent, believe, and be baptized by full immersion...

not the sprinkling of babies who can neither believe, nor repent.
 
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Yes. As long as we understand that water baptism does not save anyone. Jesus preached, and the Disciples water baptized new believers that were converted by hearing Jesus preach. That water baptism did not save them or guarantee eternal life.
1 pet 3:21
 
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... this water symbolizes the baptism that now saves you also—not the removal of dirt from the body, but the pledge of a clear conscience toward God—through the resurrection of Jesus Christ,

The Biblical formula is: repent, believe, and be baptized by full immersion...

not the sprinkling of babies who can neither believe, nor repent.
Acts 2:38 promise to your children also