Is Ezekiel 40-43 A Future Temple To Be Built In Jerusalem As Many Claim?

My brother, you present yourself with a terrible problem. In your last posting you deny the Millennium. You give a sequence of a fallen world, followed by 3½ years rule by AntiChrist during which two witnesses call plagues on the earth, followed by the Lord's return and a massive battle at Armageddon, followed by the destruction of the earth. Now you suddenly produce an age where there is peace and harmony of men and beasts, with no killing. When, pray, is this paradisaical age?

Revelation 20:1-6 below states nothing about a physical kingdom on this existing earth as you (Falsely Claim)

No kingdom or mortal humans on this earth are seen, not a one!

100% In The Lords Spiritual Realm!

Angel, Heaven, Devil, Satan, The Souls, The Dead, God, Christ, 100% Spiritual!

You can claim a physical kingdom and mortal humans are seen on this earth, many claim Santa Claus fly's around the skys pulled by reindeer too

Revelation 20:1-6KJV
1 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.
2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.
4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

In Genesis 1:26-28, God said that He made made man to subdue and rule this earth with its environs of sea and sky. In Genesis 9 God again gives men power over the earth and its animals. In Genesis 12 God promises a Land to Abraham and his seed. In Daniel 2, God promises that Gentile rule will BE REPLACED by a heavenly rule, but that it will "fill THE EARTH". In Matthew 6 Jesus prays that His Father's Kingdom will "COME to earth". In Romans 4:13, the promise to Abraham is extended to the whole earth. In Revelation 11 "the Kingdoms of this world BECOME the Kingdoms of our Lord". That is, God's plan never wavered. The Bible ends with God's saved people "reigning forever" from a City that " came down from heaven".

Brave is the man that said that God had to change His mind because of angel that He made, and men that He made who became naughty. Neither Satan, nor evil men have the slightest chance to thwart God's "eternal purpose to head up all things in Christ in the fullness of time" (Eph.1:8-11, 3:11). He is not called "ALL-MIGHTY" for nothing.

I'm sad to say that you preach a God Who is swayed by His creatures, and I'm doubly sad that your only argument to invalidate Christ's Kingdom on earth is to selectively "spiritualize" Revelation Chapter 20. You have no reason to do this whatsoever. All is perfectly LITERAL. You have decided on an impotent God, Who must run for the shelter of heaven with a "little flock" of eqaully battered Christians. And so you do what men all over do - you annul the Words of this MIGHTY God. You "spiritualize" them away. But let it be known that Revelation Chapter 20 will come to pass as LITERALLY and ACCURATELY as God has said in plain language. Revelation Chapter 20 is the Capstone of the Bible's six thousand years that went before it. It accurately portrays Jesus Christ as a King ruling together with those who BELIEVED Him, OBEYED Him, and DIED for Him. The men are real, the crowns are real and the thrones are real. It is the story of the whole Bible.

The Holy Scripture Is (Very Clear) where the wolf and lamb lay together, where they dont hurt or destroy in the Holy mountain.

Its the (Eternal) New Heaven,Earth, Jerusalem!

Isaiah 65:17-25KJV
17 For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind.
18 But be ye glad and rejoice for ever in that which I create: for, behold, I create Jerusalem a rejoicing, and her people a joy.
19 And I will rejoice in Jerusalem, and joy in my people: and the voice of weeping shall be no more heard in her, nor the voice of crying.
20 There shall be no more thence an infant of days, nor an old man that hath not filled his days: for the child shall die an hundred years old; but the sinner being an hundred years old shall be accursed.
21 And they shall build houses, and inhabit them; and they shall plant vineyards, and eat the fruit of them.
22 They shall not build, and another inhabit; they shall not plant, and another eat: for as the days of a tree are the days of my people, and mine elect shall long enjoy the work of their hands.
23 They shall not labour in vain, nor bring forth for trouble; for they are the seed of the blessed of the Lord, and their offspring with them.
24 And it shall come to pass, that before they call, I will answer; and while they are yet speaking, I will hear.
25 The wolf and the lamb shall feed together, and the lion shall eat straw like the bullock: and dust shall be the serpent's meat. They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain, saith the Lord.

Let us investigate Isaiah 11, which we are discussing.

• Verse 4. "... with righteousness shall he judge the poor, and reprove with equity for the meek of the earth: and he shall smite the earth with the rod of his mouth, and with the breath of his lips shall he slay the wicked."
• Verse 6. Are there animals in heaven???
• Verse 7. Does STRAW grow in heaven???
• Verse 8. Are there children in heaven???
• Verse 9. "They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain: for the earth shall be full of the knowledge of the LORD, as the waters cover the sea." Can this be New Earth??? Does the New Earth have a SEA???
• Verse 10. Are there GENTILES in heaven???
• Verse 11. Is Assyria, Egypt, Pathros and Cush in heaven??? And again, how come there is a sea?
• Verse 12. "And he shall set up an ensign for the nations, and shall assemble the outcasts of Israel, and gather together the dispersed of Judah from the four corners of the earth".
• Verse 14. Is Edom, Moab and Ammon in heaven that Israel may lay hands on them???
• Verse 15. Shall God "smite" streams in heaven???

The scene of Isaiah 11 IS EARTH! The teaching that the subjugation of the animals, lands, nations, rivers and sea is in heaven is funnier than Santa Claus - or maybe more tragic. His "Holy Mountain" is ZION of EARTHLY Jerusalem!

C'mon bro.

Let us investigate Isaiah 11, which we are discussing.

• Verse 4. "... with righteousness shall he judge the poor, and reprove with equity for the meek of the earth: and he shall smite the earth with the rod of his mouth, and with the breath of his lips shall he slay the wicked."
• Verse 6. Are there animals in heaven???
• Verse 7. Does STRAW grow in heaven???
• Verse 8. Are there children in heaven???
• Verse 9. "They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain: for the earth shall be full of the knowledge of the LORD, as the waters cover the sea." Can this be New Earth??? Does the New Earth have a SEA???
• Verse 10. Are there GENTILES in heaven???
• Verse 11. Is Assyria, Egypt, Pathros and Cush in heaven??? And again, how come there is a sea?
• Verse 12. "And he shall set up an ensign for the nations, and shall assemble the outcasts of Israel, and gather together the dispersed of Judah from the four corners of the earth".
• Verse 14. Is Edom, Moab and Ammon in heaven that Israel may lay hands on them???
• Verse 15. Shall God "smite" streams in heaven???

The scene of Isaiah 11 IS EARTH! The teaching that the subjugation of the animals, lands, nations, rivers and sea is in heaven is funnier than Santa Claus - or maybe more tragic. His "Holy Mountain" is ZION of EARTHLY Jerusalem!

C'mon bro.

Let us investigate Isaiah 11, which we are discussing.

• Verse 4. "... with righteousness shall he judge the poor, and reprove with equity for the meek of the earth: and he shall smite the earth with the rod of his mouth, and with the breath of his lips shall he slay the wicked."
• Verse 6. Are there animals in heaven???
• Verse 7. Does STRAW grow in heaven???
• Verse 8. Are there children in heaven???
• Verse 9. "They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain: for the earth shall be full of the knowledge of the LORD, as the waters cover the sea." Can this be New Earth??? Does the New Earth have a SEA???
• Verse 10. Are there GENTILES in heaven???
• Verse 11. Is Assyria, Egypt, Pathros and Cush in heaven??? And again, how come there is a sea?
• Verse 12. "And he shall set up an ensign for the nations, and shall assemble the outcasts of Israel, and gather together the dispersed of Judah from the four corners of the earth".
• Verse 14. Is Edom, Moab and Ammon in heaven that Israel may lay hands on them???
• Verse 15. Shall God "smite" streams in heaven???

The scene of Isaiah 11 IS EARTH! The teaching that the subjugation of the animals, lands, nations, rivers and sea is in heaven is funnier than Santa Claus - or maybe more tragic. His "Holy Mountain" is ZION of EARTHLY Jerusalem!

C'mon bro.

Isaiah 11:6-9 & Isaiah 65:17-25 below is exactly the same place, same wolf and lamb, same Holy Mountain?

In The New Heaven, Earth, Jerusalem, (Very Clear) simple, easy to understand, stop running from the presented truth.

Isaiah 11:6-9KJV
6 The wolf also shall dwell with the lamb, and the leopard shall lie down with the kid; and the calf and the young lion and the fatling together; and a little child shall lead them.
7 And the cow and the bear shall feed; their young ones shall lie down together: and the lion shall eat straw like the ox.
8 And the sucking child shall play on the hole of the asp, and the weaned child shall put his hand on the cockatrice' den.
9 They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain: for the earth shall be full of the knowledge of the Lord, as the waters cover the sea.

Isaiah 65:17-25KJV
17 For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind.
18 But be ye glad and rejoice for ever in that which I create: for, behold, I create Jerusalem a rejoicing, and her people a joy.
19 And I will rejoice in Jerusalem, and joy in my people: and the voice of weeping shall be no more heard in her, nor the voice of crying.
20 There shall be no more thence an infant of days, nor an old man that hath not filled his days: for the child shall die an hundred years old; but the sinner being an hundred years old shall be accursed.
21 And they shall build houses, and inhabit them; and they shall plant vineyards, and eat the fruit of them.
22 They shall not build, and another inhabit; they shall not plant, and another eat: for as the days of a tree are the days of my people, and mine elect shall long enjoy the work of their hands.
23 They shall not labour in vain, nor bring forth for trouble; for they are the seed of the blessed of the Lord, and their offspring with them.
24 And it shall come to pass, that before they call, I will answer; and while they are yet speaking, I will hear.
25 The wolf and the lamb shall feed together, and the lion shall eat straw like the bullock: and dust shall be the serpent's meat. They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain, saith the Lord.

You claim Jesus Christ, who shed his precious blood on the cross of calvary, is going to sit in a future earthly temple, watching humans sacrifice animals for sin offerings as seen in Ezekiel 43:18-21

That claim is false, and in my opinion blasphemy to the precious shed blood on calvary.

Jesus Christ will return in fire and final judgement, dissolving this earth by fire.

The temple you describe, will be ready for the future Antichrist of Daniel, who will claim to be the Measiah/Jesus returned.

I agree. Isaiah 11 and Isaiah 65 address the Holy Mountain. I have answered you on Isaiah 11, on which you did not comment. No matter. I believe that you get the point. You'll think about it when the dust has settled. Let us now turn our attention to Isaiah 65.

The Chapter opens with a hidden prediction of the Church (v.1). Then from verse 2 to 7 is the accusation against Israel at Isaiah's time. Verse 8 to 10 predicts a Remnant. From verse 11 to 16 the chastisement and retribution of the Lord on the Law-breakers is predicted. Verse 17, the start of your proposed scripture, does NOT introduce the New Earth as the subject of the following verses. It is a statement to support the following verses about Israel's restoration. Up to verse 16 it looks like Israel is doomed. The average reader of verses 11 to 16 will cry; "There is no hope then for the Law-breakers! There is no hope then for ALL Israel" The grammar of verse 17 is display of God's power to restore. It points to not only to a complete restoration of Israel, but of the whole polluted EARTH. It says; "You evil Israelites, I will chastise you so severely that you will have no hope. But I am able, not only to restore you, but I possess the power and heart to restore the whole universe!" BUT ... what follows?

The word "BUT" changes the scene. The theme is no longer the New Heavens and Earth. I take my car to the workshop because it makes a strange noise. The mechanic says; "I will have your car like new in three days. BUT ... you'll have to leave it with men for repairs." The subject after the "BUT" has changed from "a car like new" to "repairs". So also Isaiah 65 17 to 18. God is saying, you have broken contract. You will pay dearly for this. But remember Who I am. I am the One Who can make the universe new. BUT ... in the meantime I will .... ."

And how can we know that Jehovah speaks of the time BEFORE the New Earth? EASY!

1. In verse 20 there is DEATH. But on the New Earth in Revelation 20, all men are resurrected, judged and there is no more DEATH (Rev.21:4)
2. In verse 21-22 men must WORK to feed themselves. The curse of Eden REMAINS, even if there will be great fertility. But on the New Earth there is NO MORE CURSE (Rev.22:3)
3. In verse 23 there is CHILDBIRTH. But on the New Earth ALL MEN are in resurrection - and in resurrection there is not childbearing (Lk.20:34-36)

Isaiah 65:17-25 predicts Israel's peaceful life in the Millennium. Death and the curse of Eden are still present, but much abated. And how then is this possible? Because (i) Jehovah will remove their sins (because of the the Lamb), and (ii) Jehovah is the CREATOR! If He has power to CREATE (out of nothing), then He can RENEW the Heavens and the Earth. And if He is able to RENEW the Heavens and the Earth, then He has the power to restore Israel from (i) their sins, (ii) their chastisement, (iii) their captivity and (iv) their diaspora.

But now, besides answering me on Isaiah 65, I get to ask a question of you. In Isaiah 56:5-8, in which age is the "Holy Mountain"?

5 "Even unto them will I give in mine house and within my walls a place and a name better than of sons and of daughters: I will give them an everlasting name, that shall not be cut off.
6 Also the sons of the stranger, that join themselves to the LORD, to serve him, and to love the name of the LORD, to be his servants, every one that keepeth the sabbath from polluting it, and taketh hold of my covenant;
7 Even them will I bring to my holy mountain, and make them joyful in my house of prayer: their burnt offerings and their sacrifices shall be accepted upon mine altar; for mine house shall be called an house of prayer for all people.
8 The Lord GOD which gathereth the outcasts of Israel saith, Yet will I gather others to him, beside those that are gathered unto him."

To give some relief to you, in case you DO answer me, here are some suppositions:

1. In verse 6 both the sabbath and the Covenant that holds it are in effect. The Sabbath is ordered by the Covenant of Law
2. In verse 7 we have the STRANGERS praying in a "House" of God, AND there are SACRIFICES that need an ALTAR

It must be abundantly clear then that the Law of Moses is in force in this passage. But Matthew 5:17-18 sets the END of the Law!

17 "Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled."

The grammar indicates that WHEN heaven and earth pass, and WHEN the Law has been fulfilled (by Israel❊), THEN THE LAW PASSES. So what do you think? Is the Holy Mountain of Isaiah 56:5-8 in the Millennium, or on New Earth?

❊ In regard to the Law, I am aware that Christ fulfilled the Law (verse 17). But Israel was also under Contract (Covenant). THEY must still fulfill the Law. This they do because the Contents of the New Covenant, God's Law, is written inside them and they will intrinsically tend to keep it (Jer.31:31-34).

The future sacrifices in the context of the millenial Temple will not be to atone for sin, but will be a memorial remembrance of what Christ has done. A beautiful picture!

No Need To Write A Novel Of Nothings, Isaiah 11 & 65 Are The Same Place, It Clearly Shows The Reader, The NewHeaven, Earth, Jerusalem.

Ones Denial Of The Simple Facts Seen, Shows How Strong The Human Desire Is To Win Above Truth, Mans Pride Of Life In My Opinion.

Isaiah 11:6-9 & Isaiah 65:17-25 below is exactly the same place, same wolf and lamb, same Lion eating straw, same Holy Mountain?

In The New Heaven, Earth, Jerusalem, (Very Clear) simple, easy to understand, stop running from the presented truth.

Isaiah 11:6-9KJV
6 The wolf also shall dwell with the lamb, and the leopard shall lie down with the kid; and the calf and the young lion and the fatling together; and a little child shall lead them.
7 And the cow and the bear shall feed; their young ones shall lie down together: and the lion shall eat straw like the ox.
8 And the sucking child shall play on the hole of the asp, and the weaned child shall put his hand on the cockatrice' den.
9 They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain: for the earth shall be full of the knowledge of the Lord, as the waters cover the sea.

Isaiah 65:17-25KJV
17 For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind.
18 But be ye glad and rejoice for ever in that which I create: for, behold, I create Jerusalem a rejoicing, and her people a joy.
19 And I will rejoice in Jerusalem, and joy in my people: and the voice of weeping shall be no more heard in her, nor the voice of crying.
20 There shall be no more thence an infant of days, nor an old man that hath not filled his days: for the child shall die an hundred years old; but the sinner being an hundred years old shall be accursed.
21 And they shall build houses, and inhabit them; and they shall plant vineyards, and eat the fruit of them.
22 They shall not build, and another inhabit; they shall not plant, and another eat: for as the days of a tree are the days of my people, and mine elect shall long enjoy the work of their hands.
23 They shall not labour in vain, nor bring forth for trouble; for they are the seed of the blessed of the Lord, and their offspring with them.
24 And it shall come to pass, that before they call, I will answer; and while they are yet speaking, I will hear.
25 The wolf and the lamb shall feed together, and the lion shall eat straw like the bullock: and dust shall be the serpent's meat. They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain, saith the Lord.

I think that you are inwardly turning. You did not counter one of my points. You cannot even comment on the grammar. And you again ignore it in this posting above - the one you made big, bold and blue. According to the grammar, did God create Jerusalem, or did He create the joy and rejoicing? The Hebrew word for "Create" is "bara". "Bara" means, "to create something out of nothing". Does verse 18 above indicate God making Jerusalem which did not exist before, or does it indicate God creating a sensation of joy and rejoicing inside a City that has seen only tears since the time of the Jebusites?

You see brother, each of us may have an opinion. It is our right. But which of us will form his/her opinion based on EXACTLY what God said? Language is to transmit ideas. To do this accurately and consistently, we have rules - called, grammar. If you consistently ignore it, you inevitably miss the idea it transmits.

How long will you deny the simple, and clear truth presented, sad

Revelation 21:1-5 & Isaiah 65:17-19 is exactly the same place, the (Eternal) New Heaven, Earth, Jerusalem.

John's Account Of The New Heaven, Earth, Jerusalem.

Revelation 21:1-5KJV
1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.
4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.
5 And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.

Isaiah's Account Of The New Heaven, Earth, Jerusalem.

Isaiah 65:17-19KJV
17 For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind.
18 But be ye glad and rejoice for ever in that which I create: for, behold, I create Jerusalem a rejoicing, and her people a joy.
19 And I will rejoice in Jerusalem, and joy in my people: and the voice of weeping shall be no more heard in her, nor the voice of crying.

I've dealt with this brother. You have read my postings on these Chapters, or maybe not. I think that there is nothing more to add.

Go well and God bless.

Proverbs 13:10KJV
10 Only by pride cometh contention: but with the well advised is wisdom.

Proverbs 13:10KJV
10 Only by pride cometh contention: but with the well advised is wisdom.

Do not think you have won this argument!
Seems you are the one big on pride and short on wisdom.

I posted some time ago the truth that the OT prophesies are all a little here an little there. Isaiah 28:10

Isaiah 65 17 does prophecy Eternity. Then it goes on in Isaiah 65:18-25, to describe what happens before that; in the Millennium Kingdom.
Proved by how there will be births and deaths during the Millennium, but not in Eternity. Revelation 21 to 22

Your Claim is biased and (False)
There isn't any transition in Isaiah 65 showing the eternal New Heaven, Earth, Jerusalem, then referring back to a (False) Millennial Kingdom On This Earth.

Revelation 21:1-5 & Isaiah 65:17-20 is exactly the same place in the (Eternal) New Heaven, Earth, Jerusalem.

You move to the symbolic allegory Seen in Isaiah 65:20 as if a child is literally dying at 100 years old, and you Falsely suggest births in using the word of infant?

The words are doing nothing more than conveying (Eternal) to the human mind.

You run from the fact that the Jerusalem seen is created, and not the present earthly Jerusalem, this is (Eternal) (Rejoice Forever), and yes the infant and child seen is in this (Eternally Created Jerusalem)

Your Claim Is False And Silenced

Revelation 21:1-5KJV
1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.
4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.
5 And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.

Isaiah 65:17-20KJV
17 For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind.
18 But be ye glad and rejoice for ever in that which I create: for, behold, I create Jerusalem a rejoicing, and her people a joy.
19 And I will rejoice in Jerusalem, and joy in my people: and the voice of weeping shall be no more heard in her, nor the voice of crying.
20 There shall be no more thence an infant of days, nor an old man that hath not filled his days: for the child shall die an hundred years old; but the sinner being an hundred years old shall be accursed.