When are we saved ?

Are you kidding me?

Romans 8:29-30

Compare with 1 John 3:1-2

I’m sorry. Typo. One passage that says predestination happens after we’re saved. Just one. Bet you won’t find one.

If the Bible doesn’t say that predestination happens after salvation, your argument will fail.

2Beloved, NOW !!!! are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.
This fits perfectly with what I'm saying . When do we become BELOVED ? sons of God . John 1 12

Every time the ' word ' Predestined ' shows up .

Before we were born.

Every time the ' word ' Predestined ' shows up .

Cite one, please

I’ll check back with you in a bit.

ridiculous. Read eph 2.11-12 again . We are not known as BELOVED sons of God before we are born ..Good grief man .

I think there's only 3 times so it's not hard to check lol.

Ok, so where does it say predestined after conversion in Romans 8?

23And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body.( EPHESIANS 1 .5 EPHESIANS 1 .13-14
24For we are saved by hope: but hope that is seen is not hope: for what a man seeth, why doth he yet hope for?
25But if we hope for that we see not, then do we with patience wait for it.
26¶ Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered.
27And he that searcheth the hearts knoweth what is the mind of the Spirit, because he maketh intercession for the saints according to the will of God.
28¶And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.
29For whom he did foreknow,( 1JOHN 3.1-2 ..Galation4.9 ) he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.

Where’s it say predestined after conversion? Are you confusing the predestination with the fulfillment of what is predestined???

Where in Romans 8? Will check with you in a while.

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Where’s it say predestined after conversion? Are you confusing the predestination with the fulfillment of what is predestined???

So we’re not even predestined yet?

How can you BE predestined ? its a destination chosen ahead of time . We do this with our sat nav . We type in the destination ahead of where we are going . Once IN HIM Ephesians 1.1-14 guess where we ARE going , which cannot fail thats why it says ' glorified ' as if already from God's perspective. Because we are predestined to BE CONFORMED .
1John 3 2Beloved, NOW !!!!! ARE WE the sons of God, and it doth NOT YET appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be LIKE HIM ; for we shall see him as he is.
Rom 8.23 WAITING FOR THE ADOPTION ..

it doth NOT YET appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be LIKE HIM ; for we shall see him as he is.

I see predestination before justification in Romans 8:29. Is one converted before they are justified? Don’t think so...

And you really don’t think God loved you until you chose Him?

So you’re not predestined until you’re resurrected?