Was a lie told to Abraham ?

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Kojikun

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So question, when Abraham was about to sacrifice Issac on the alter, than God stopped him from doing so. Did God lie? Because he told him to offer him as a burnt offering but than said no.
 

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So question, when Abraham was about to sacrifice Issac on the alter, than God stopped him from doing so. Did God lie? Because he told him to offer him as a burnt offering but than said no.
Abraham did as God instructed him to do, offer his son as a sacrifice. I don't read in that account where God accepted that sacrifice. There are many instances in the bible where God relents and does otherwise. Intending to do something and actually doing it are two different things altogether.
 

soggykitten

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So question, when Abraham was about to sacrifice Issac on the alter, than God stopped him from doing so. Did God lie? Because he told him to offer him as a burnt offering but than said no.
It wasn't a lie it was a test of Abraham and his faithfulness to God. A priority situation.
Did Abraham love and fear (honor, obey) God more than his only son?
Genesis 22 God said, “Take your son—your only son, whom you love, Isaac[d]—and go to the land of Moriah![e] Offer him up there as a burnt offering[f] on one of the mountains which I will indicate to[g] you.” ...

9 When they came to the place God had told him about, Abraham built the altar there[u] and arranged the wood on it. Next he tied up[v] his son Isaac and placed him on the altar on top of the wood. 10 Then Abraham reached out his hand, took the knife, and prepared to slaughter[w] his son. 11 But the angel of the Lord[x] called to him from heaven, “Abraham! Abraham!” “Here I am!” he answered. 12 “Do not harm the boy!”[y] the angel said.[z] “Do not do anything to him, for now I know[aa] that you fear[ab] God because you did not withhold your son, your only son, from me.”
 
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pottersclay

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I just love it when a seeker saint meets a seasoned saint don't you?
 

JaumeJ

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The entire purpose of this recounting of these events is simple; all of this happened in order for those with understanding to read where Abraham told Isaac, "God will provide, Himself, a Lamb for the offering."

When the Father told Abraham to stop what he was doing and not sacrifice Isaac, Abraham espied a ram caught by its horns in a thicket. Abraham then offered up the ram, but it was not the Lamb of which he foretold Isaac.

In simpler terms, this is foretelling of the coming of Jesus-Yeshua and exactly what He was coming to do.
 

Webers.Home

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There's a bit of a trick to this incident.

Fact of the matter is, the moment Abraham laid his son on the altar, he got
credit for offering Isaac even though he didn't slay the lad. In other words; it
isn't necessary to kill and/or incinerate an offering in order for it to count as
a burnt offering when that's the honest intent. (Heb 11:17 & Jas 2:21)

In other words: once an offering is dedicated and placed on an altar, its
ownership transfers to God, whose sovereign prerogative it is whether to
give it a thumb up or a thumb down.

BTW: Isaac was grown enough to shoulder a load of wood, and mature
enough to understand the elements of a sacrificial procedure. So in my
estimation he wasn't a child, but was strong enough to easily escape and
evade his father's intentions had he wished. There was no one to assist
Abraham to restrain Isaac; the servants had all stayed behind with the
burro. And besides, sans Isaac's consent, the whole affair would've
amounted to little more than a ritual murder.

It's good to keep that in mind regarding Jesus' offering of himself on the
cross. God needed His son's consent before proceeding, just as Abraham
needed Isaac's. Both could've easily avoided death had they so chosen. You
know, I really have to admire their mettle; those two guys were tough
cookies.
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Blackpowderduelist

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God tests sometimes, not to see if you will for himself, but for you to see if you will. He tests us so we learn who we are.
Abraham's willingness was all God wanted.
 

OIC1965

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So question, when Abraham was about to sacrifice Issac on the alter, than God stopped him from doing so. Did God lie? Because he told him to offer him as a burnt offering but than said no.
Abraham did offer him. Hebrews 11:17.
 

Magenta

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The entire purpose of this recounting of these events is simple; all of this happened in order for those with understanding to read where Abraham told Isaac, "God will provide, Himself, a Lamb for the offering."

When the Father told Abraham to stop what he was doing and not sacrifice Isaac, Abraham espied a ram caught by its horns in a thicket. Abraham then offered up the ram, but it was not the Lamb of which he foretold Isaac.

In simpler terms, this is foretelling of the coming of Jesus-Yeshua and exactly what He was coming to do.
And on the very same mountain where Jesus was crucified!
 

Kojikun

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There's a bit of a trick to this incident.

Fact of the matter is, the moment Abraham laid his son on the altar, he got
credit for offering Isaac even though he didn't slay the lad. In other words; it
isn't necessary to kill and/or incinerate an offering in order for it to count as
a burnt offering when that's the honest intent. (Heb 11:17 & Jas 2:21)


In other words: once an offering is dedicated and placed on an altar, its
ownership transfers to God, whose sovereign prerogative it is whether to
give it a thumb up or a thumb down.


BTW: Isaac was grown enough to shoulder a load of wood, and mature
enough to understand the elements of a sacrificial procedure. So in my
estimation he wasn't a child, but was strong enough to easily escape and
evade his father's intentions had he wished. There was no one to assist
Abraham to restrain Isaac; the servants had all stayed behind with the
burro. And besides, sans Isaac's consent, the whole affair would've
amounted to little more than a ritual murder.


It's good to keep that in mind regarding Jesus' offering of himself on the
cross. God needed His son's consent before proceeding, just as Abraham
needed Isaac's. Both could've easily avoided death had they so chosen. You
know, I really have to admire their mettle; those two guys were tough
cookies.
_
Ah, that makes sense. Thank yall for replying, I appreciate it 🥰
 

posthuman

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So question, when Abraham was about to sacrifice Issac on the alter, than God stopped him from doing so. Did God lie? Because he told him to offer him as a burnt offering but than said no.
God offered His own Son -- the Son was not lost, but rose again. God did not lie in saying He would lay down His life for His sheep just because He took it up again :)

here's another question; when Abraham told Isaac, 'the LORD will provide a lamb' was he lying? why did he say this?