Acts 2.38 is to Israel not gentiles

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JBTN

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throughfaith said:
Ok so far we have no scripture evidence that says the apostles were preaching to gentiles ( non Jews and proselytes) before Acts 11 . Nor that any of the Appostles understood the inclusion of the Gentiles until Acts 11 .
So its so far yet to be proven that Peter's message is to any other than Israel. ( Jews and proselytes) Also with no mention of ' faith ' eternal life , being saved in the sense of heaven or hell ect its clear to see this message is a message for Israel to accept their messaih to be delivered and ' saved ' from this crooked generation ' pointing to when Jereselum would be sieged and many , many Jews would be slaughtered. This is what Peter is addressing. Not the same message we see in Acts 16.30 where that is about eternal salvation. ( context makes clear )
Notice Peters focus is not on how we see salvation, meaning a spiritual salvation of our souls ect . But physical deliverance and a restoration of the kingdom to Israel .
look where the apostles minds are in Acts 1 .

4¶And, being assembled together with them, commanded them that they should not depart from Jerusalem, but wait for the promise of the Father, which, saith he, ye have heard of me.

5For John truly baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost not many days hence.

6When they therefore were come together, they asked of him, saying, Lord, wilt thou at this time restore again the kingdom to Israel?
So it makes no sense to make Acts 2 the pattern for how we are saved today . inspite of many denominations that base their core theology on Acts 2.38
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I have a different understanding of Acts 2:38 than most. Not necessarily correct, but it makes sense to me. Most people see physical water baptism in Acts 2:38. To best relate what I mean I’ll start with Matthew 26:28.

“And when He had taken a cup and given thanks, He gave it to them, saying, “Drink from it, all of you; for this is My blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many for forgiveness of sins.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭26:27-28‬ ‭NASB1995‬‬
https://www.bible.com/100/mat.26.27-28.nasb1995

for the forgiveness of sins = eis aphesin hamartion = into forgiveness of sins.
The same phrase we see in Acts 2:38 and as we have already discussed, Luke 24:47.

Jesus blood was poured out into the forgiveness of sins. This is the blood of the new covenant. Picture a vessel of some sort representing the new covenant and labeled forgiveness of sins. The vessel contains Jesus’ blood.

Now think about Luke 24:47. A change of mind into forgiveness of sins. Meaning change your mind (believe in Jesus) and be placed into (immersed into) forgiveness of sins (the new covenant). Essentially into Jesus blood.

With that in mind think about Acts 2:38:

“Peter said to them, “Repent, and each of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins; and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭2:38‬ ‭NASB1995‬‬
https://www.bible.com/100/act.2.38.nasb1995

be baptized = baptistheto. The Greek word means be immersed. Not be immersed in water.

in the name = epi to onomati. The Greek word epi means on, not in. Not sure why they translated it that way when there is a word for in. Onomati means a name, authority, or cause. so this would be “on the authority”.

for the forgiveness of your sins = eis aphesin ton hamartion. In this case ”into the forgiveness of your sins”. Essentially into the blood of Jesus.

Acts 2:38 becomes:

“Peter said to them, “change your mind, and each of you be immersed on the authority of Jesus Christ into the forgiveness of your sins; and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.”

The immersion is into forgiveness of sins just like Luke 24:47. Not a physical immersion into water.

This is the same concept we see in 1 Corinthians 10:2.

“and all were baptized into Moses in the cloud and in the sea;”
‭‭1 Corinthians‬ ‭10:2‬ ‭NASB1995‬‬
https://www.bible.com/100/1co.10.2.nasb1995

The Israelites were immersed into Moses or into the old covenant.

You can follow this idea right to Acts 10:43 where Peter said this to the house of Cornelius.

“Of Him all the prophets bear witness that through His name everyone who believes in Him receives forgiveness of sins.””
‭‭Acts‬ ‭10:43‬ ‭NASB1995‬‬
https://www.bible.com/100/act.10.43.nasb1995
 
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throughfaith

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#322
JBTN said:
I have a different understanding of Acts 2:38 than most. Not necessarily correct, but it makes sense to me. Most people see physical water baptism in Acts 2:38. To best relate what I mean I’ll start with Matthew 26:28.

“And when He had taken a cup and given thanks, He gave it to them, saying, “Drink from it, all of you; for this is My blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many for forgiveness of sins.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭26:27-28‬ ‭NASB1995‬‬
https://www.bible.com/100/mat.26.27-28.nasb1995

for the forgiveness of sins = eis aphesin hamartion = into forgiveness of sins.
The same phrase we see in Acts 2:38 and as we have already discussed, Luke 24:47.

Jesus blood was poured out into the forgiveness of sins. This is the blood of the new covenant. Picture a vessel of some sort representing the new covenant and labeled forgiveness of sins. The vessel contains Jesus’ blood.

Now think about Luke 24:47. A change of mind into forgiveness of sins. Meaning change your mind (believe in Jesus) and be placed into (immersed into) forgiveness of sins (the new covenant). Essentially into Jesus blood.

With that in mind think about Acts 2:38:

“Peter said to them, “Repent, and each of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins; and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭2:38‬ ‭NASB1995‬‬
https://www.bible.com/100/act.2.38.nasb1995

be baptized = baptistheto. The Greek word means be immersed. Not be immersed in water.

in the name = epi to onomati. The Greek word epi means on, not in. Not sure why they translated it that way when there is a word for in. Onomati means a name, authority, or cause. so this would be “on the authority”.

for the forgiveness of your sins = eis aphesin ton hamartion. In this case ”into the forgiveness of your sins”. Essentially into the blood of Jesus.

Acts 2:38 becomes:

“Peter said to them, “change your mind, and each of you be immersed on the authority of Jesus Christ into the forgiveness of your sins; and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.”

The immersion is into forgiveness of sins just like Luke 24:47. Not a physical immersion into water.

This is the same concept we see in 1 Corinthians 10:2.

“and all were baptized into Moses in the cloud and in the sea;”
‭‭1 Corinthians‬ ‭10:2‬ ‭NASB1995‬‬
https://www.bible.com/100/1co.10.2.nasb1995

The Israelites were immersed into Moses or into the old covenant.

You can follow this idea right to Acts 10:43 where Peter said this to the house of Cornelius.

“Of Him all the prophets bear witness that through His name everyone who believes in Him receives forgiveness of sins.””
‭‭Acts‬ ‭10:43‬ ‭NASB1995‬‬
https://www.bible.com/100/act.10.43.nasb1995
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JBTN said:
I have a different understanding of Acts 2:38 than most. Not necessarily correct, but it makes sense to me. Most people see physical water baptism in Acts 2:38. To best relate what I mean I’ll start with Matthew 26:28.

“And when He had taken a cup and given thanks, He gave it to them, saying, “Drink from it, all of you; for this is My blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many for forgiveness of sins.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭26:27-28‬ ‭NASB1995‬‬
https://www.bible.com/100/mat.26.27-28.nasb1995

for the forgiveness of sins = eis aphesin hamartion = into forgiveness of sins.
The same phrase we see in Acts 2:38 and as we have already discussed, Luke 24:47.

Jesus blood was poured out into the forgiveness of sins. This is the blood of the new covenant. Picture a vessel of some sort representing the new covenant and labeled forgiveness of sins. The vessel contains Jesus’ blood.

Now think about Luke 24:47. A change of mind into forgiveness of sins. Meaning change your mind (believe in Jesus) and be placed into (immersed into) forgiveness of sins (the new covenant). Essentially into Jesus blood.

With that in mind think about Acts 2:38:

“Peter said to them, “Repent, and each of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins; and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭2:38‬ ‭NASB1995‬‬
https://www.bible.com/100/act.2.38.nasb1995

be baptized = baptistheto. The Greek word means be immersed. Not be immersed in water.

in the name = epi to onomati. The Greek word epi means on, not in. Not sure why they translated it that way when there is a word for in. Onomati means a name, authority, or cause. so this would be “on the authority”.

for the forgiveness of your sins = eis aphesin ton hamartion. In this case ”into the forgiveness of your sins”. Essentially into the blood of Jesus.

Acts 2:38 becomes:

“Peter said to them, “change your mind, and each of you be immersed on the authority of Jesus Christ into the forgiveness of your sins; and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.”

The immersion is into forgiveness of sins just like Luke 24:47. Not a physical immersion into water.

This is the same concept we see in 1 Corinthians 10:2.

“and all were baptized into Moses in the cloud and in the sea;”
‭‭1 Corinthians‬ ‭10:2‬ ‭NASB1995‬‬
https://www.bible.com/100/1co.10.2.nasb1995

The Israelites were immersed into Moses or into the old covenant.

You can follow this idea right to Acts 10:43 where Peter said this to the house of Cornelius.

“Of Him all the prophets bear witness that through His name everyone who believes in Him receives forgiveness of sins.””
‭‭Acts‬ ‭10:43‬ ‭NASB1995‬‬
https://www.bible.com/100/act.10.43.nasb1995
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Appreciate that thought out view. What s you thoughts on Chapter 3 .
19Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord;

20And he shall send Jesus Christ, which before was preached unto you:

21Whom the heaven must receive until the times of restitution of all things, which God hath spoken by the mouth of all his holy prophets since the world began. ?
 
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throughfaith

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#323
JBTN said:
I have a different understanding of Acts 2:38 than most. Not necessarily correct, but it makes sense to me. Most people see physical water baptism in Acts 2:38. To best relate what I mean I’ll start with Matthew 26:28.

“And when He had taken a cup and given thanks, He gave it to them, saying, “Drink from it, all of you; for this is My blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many for forgiveness of sins.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭26:27-28‬ ‭NASB1995‬‬
https://www.bible.com/100/mat.26.27-28.nasb1995

for the forgiveness of sins = eis aphesin hamartion = into forgiveness of sins.
The same phrase we see in Acts 2:38 and as we have already discussed, Luke 24:47.

Jesus blood was poured out into the forgiveness of sins. This is the blood of the new covenant. Picture a vessel of some sort representing the new covenant and labeled forgiveness of sins. The vessel contains Jesus’ blood.

Now think about Luke 24:47. A change of mind into forgiveness of sins. Meaning change your mind (believe in Jesus) and be placed into (immersed into) forgiveness of sins (the new covenant). Essentially into Jesus blood.

With that in mind think about Acts 2:38:

“Peter said to them, “Repent, and each of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins; and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭2:38‬ ‭NASB1995‬‬
https://www.bible.com/100/act.2.38.nasb1995

be baptized = baptistheto. The Greek word means be immersed. Not be immersed in water.

in the name = epi to onomati. The Greek word epi means on, not in. Not sure why they translated it that way when there is a word for in. Onomati means a name, authority, or cause. so this would be “on the authority”.

for the forgiveness of your sins = eis aphesin ton hamartion. In this case ”into the forgiveness of your sins”. Essentially into the blood of Jesus.

Acts 2:38 becomes:

“Peter said to them, “change your mind, and each of you be immersed on the authority of Jesus Christ into the forgiveness of your sins; and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.”

The immersion is into forgiveness of sins just like Luke 24:47. Not a physical immersion into water.

This is the same concept we see in 1 Corinthians 10:2.

“and all were baptized into Moses in the cloud and in the sea;”
‭‭1 Corinthians‬ ‭10:2‬ ‭NASB1995‬‬
https://www.bible.com/100/1co.10.2.nasb1995

The Israelites were immersed into Moses or into the old covenant.

You can follow this idea right to Acts 10:43 where Peter said this to the house of Cornelius.

“Of Him all the prophets bear witness that through His name everyone who believes in Him receives forgiveness of sins.””
‭‭Acts‬ ‭10:43‬ ‭NASB1995‬‬
https://www.bible.com/100/act.10.43.nasb1995
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How would you tie in Remission and redemption? Meaning that sins were being remitted by the sacrificing of the blood of animals ect . But their sins were not redeemed until the cross . Rom 3.25 .
So they had remission but not yet redemption. Jesus of course is the only proper basis for the remission of sins .
25Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;
 
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