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Lay out YOUR scripture........I already told you Ezekiel is about the 2nd temple.
My eschatology (as everyone who has talked to me in the last month knows that I am AMILL........and happy to be so.
While you premills are looking for a great trib, we are looking for Christ in the rapture. Maranatha!!

To begin with you would have to understand that Revelation was written before 65AD. Are you that far advanced?
Absolutely wrong again. I am pre-TRIB rapture and premillennial. I am not "waiting" for any temple to be built as I am going to be raptured ......probably before that ever happens. But to deny the redemption of Israel is HERESY. Kicking Israel to the curb is just simply sickening. They are going to be redeemed and they are going to be God's glorious people once again.
 

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ROFL where did you get those figures?
Your astounding ignorance betrays you once again. And your arrogance is duly noted.

"Ezekiel chapters 40 to 42 give very exacting measurements of this building. Ezekiel recorded the dimensions of the porches, gates, and rooms and the thickness of the walls and told how it will all fit together. Those measurements are summarized in Ezekiel 42:15–20. The Temple area itself will measure 500 reeds on each of its four sides (a reed is approximately ten feet). The Millennial Temple will, therefore, be approximately one mile square. It will be the largest and most magnificent structure ever erected, and it will all be for the glory of God."

https://israelmyglory.org/article/the-tribulation-and-millennial-temples/

As I said before prophecy is perfectly clear that God is going to lift up and create a mountain upon which the millennial temple will sit.
 

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ROFL where did you get those figures?
Here you go more education for you. If of course you're willing to receive it.

https://israelmyglory.org/article/the-tribulation-and-millennial-temples/

"Not only will Jerusalem be raised up as a high mountain, but it will be greatly enlarged as well. Ezekiel 45:1 states that the holy portion of the land will be immense, measuring 25,000 by 25,000 reeds. This is an area 50 by 50 miles, or about 2,500 square miles. It will be the center of the worship of God. The northern section will be 50 by 20 miles. In the center of that section will stand the Temple, which will be one mile square, and a segment of priests will reside in the remainder of the area. The central portion, also 50 by 20 miles, will be reserved for the Levites, with the southern section of 50 by 10 miles reserved for building Millennial Jerusalem (10 by 10 miles) and for growing food. As we ponder the immensity of this, we get a better picture of how big our God is."
 

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Absolutely wrong again. I am pre-TRIB rapture and premillennial. I am not "waiting" for any temple to be built as I am going to be raptured ......probably before that ever happens. But to deny the redemption of Israel is HERESY. Kicking Israel to the curb is just simply sickening. They are going to be redeemed and they are going to be God's glorious people once again.
Israel the nation is treated differntly by God than individual Jews. As in the old covenant, some Jews were chosen to be God's vessel and some were chosen to NOT be His vessels.

I said you are premill and pretrib..........so what is your protest about
Your astounding ignorance betrays you once again. And your arrogance is duly noted.

"Ezekiel chapters 40 to 42 give very exacting measurements of this building. Ezekiel recorded the dimensions of the porches, gates, and rooms and the thickness of the walls and told how it will all fit together. Those measurements are summarized in Ezekiel 42:15–20. The Temple area itself will measure 500 reeds on each of its four sides (a reed is approximately ten feet). The Millennial Temple will, therefore, be approximately one mile square. It will be the largest and most magnificent structure ever erected, and it will all be for the glory of God."

https://israelmyglory.org/article/the-tribulation-and-millennial-temples/

As I said before prophecy is perfectly clear that God is going to lift up and create a mountain upon which the millennial temple will sit.
:eek: :LOL: :rolleyes:
 

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Interesting understanding.
Admittedly, I'm not an escatology guy, but I know that the time of sacrifices is over, and I know that we don't have the ability to make a temple issue a river out from it, that will desalinate the sea, and we don't have any fruit trees that produce monthly.

What this sounds like to me is a deception. That people will decide on a location and build a temple and start sacrificing and many people who call themselves Christian will go there and sacrifice animals and inturn blaspheme Jesus. It will in no way be Ezekiel's temple, and in no way be sanctified by God. Just another deception to derail would be Christians.
Who is teaching you? What in the world have you been reading? Or not reading?

There are no Christians in the Millennium. NONE. There are only Israelites and Gentiles.

Christians have their beginning at Pentecost and ending at the Rapture. That's it and that's all.
There are no Christians on earth during the tribulation period.

There are gentiles that will be saved during the tribulation and they are not Christians. There are gentiles that will be saved during the millennium and they are not Christians. Jews are not Christians during the tribulation or the millennium.

The ONLY Jews that are Christians are those who received their Savior the Lord Jesus Christ during the church age. PERIOD. John the Baptist preached Christ and KNEW Christ and HE was not a Christian!!!!!!!!!
 

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Israel the nation is treated differntly by God than individual Jews. As in the old covenant, some Jews were chosen to be God's vessel and some were chosen to NOT be His vessels.

I said you are premill and pretrib..........so what is your protest about


:eek::LOL::rolleyes:
You, like that amillennial pastor, have absolutely no idea what you're talking about. Totally clueless.

I on the other hand know exactly what I'm talking about. And believe me I thank God for that. I know that that this a gift from above. A gift that you do not possess.
 

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You, like that amillennial pastor, have absolutely no idea what you're talking about. Totally clueless.

I on the other hand know exactly what I'm talking about. And believe me I thank God for that. I know that that this a gift from above. A gift that you do not possess.
lucky you
 

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So......since you think that Israel has been kicked to the curb, why would anyone bother with any prophecy about Israel whatsoever? Because according to you any and every prophecy about Israel is now null and void. Correct? Did I get that right?
 
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There Will Be No 1,000 Year Millennial Kingdom Upon This Earth, Jesus Christ Returns In Fire And Final Judgement, Dissolving This Existing Earth By Fire, Immediately After The Tribulation.

This Existing Heaven And Earth Will Be (Replaced) By The New Heaven, Earth, Jerusalem, A New Creation, At The Return Of Jesus Christ!

(Behold, I Make All Things New)

2 Peter 3:10-13KJV
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved
, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,
12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?
13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

Revelation 21:1-5KJV
1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.
4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.
5 And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.

Matthew 24:29-30KJV
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

1 Corinthians 3:13KJV
13 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.

Luke 17:29-30KJV
29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.
30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.


2 Thessalonians 1:7-9KJV
7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,
8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God
, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:
9 Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;

Malachi 3:2KJV
2 But who may abide the day of his coming? and who shall stand when he appeareth? for he is like a refiner's fire, and like fullers' soap:

Psalm 46:6KJV
6 The heathen raged, the kingdoms were moved: he uttered his voice, the earth melted.

Psalm 50:3KJV
3 Our God shall come, and shall not keep silence: a fire shall devour before him, and it shall be very tempestuous round about him.

Psalm 97:5KJV
5 The hills melted like wax at the presence of the Lord, at the presence of the Lord of the whole earth.

Isaiah 66:15KJV
15 For, behold, the Lord will come with fire, and with his chariots like a whirlwind, to render his anger with fury, and his rebuke with flames of fire.

Nahum 1:5-6KJV
5 The mountains quake at him, and the hills melt, and the earth is burned at his presence, yea, the world, and all that dwell therein.
6 Who can stand before his indignation? and who can abide in the fierceness of his anger? his fury is poured out like fire, and the rocks are thrown down by him.

Revelation 20:9KJV
9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

The Saints Reign with Christ 1,000 Years And I saw thrones, and they sat on them, and judgment was committed to them. Then I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for their witness to Jesus and for the word of God, who had not worshiped the beast or his image, and had not received his mark on their foreheads or on their hands. And they lived and reigned with Christ for a thousand years. But the rest of the dead did not live again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection. Blessed and holy is he who has part in the first resurrection. Over such the second death has no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with Him a thousand years.

What do I do with this then?
 

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The Saints Reign with Christ 1,000 Years And I saw thrones, and they sat on them, and judgment was committed to them. Then I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for their witness to Jesus and for the word of God, who had not worshiped the beast or his image, and had not received his mark on their foreheads or on their hands. And they lived and reigned with Christ for a thousand years. But the rest of the dead did not live again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection. Blessed and holy is he who has part in the first resurrection. Over such the second death has no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with Him a thousand years.

What do I do with this then?
I really don't know what all the controversy is about. One just reads it receives it and believes it.
 

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Nope! God is not a liar.
Your understanding of what God Said is thrown off.
If you notice there is no directive to build this Temple that Ezekiel is observing.
And then if you notice at the very end of Ezekiel the name of that City will be the Lord is there. This is not some man-made Temple that will be defiled by an antichrist. Read the context of everything that is written there.
I agree 100% the Eternal temple not made with hands, the river and Tree of life are present,eternal fruit every month, leaves for medicine Ezekiel47:12 & Rev 22:1-2 the exact same place in the (Eternal New Jerusalem)
 

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I really don't know what all the controversy is about. One just reads it receives it and believes it.
I agree, I read it and receive it for what it is, (The Eternal New Jerusalem)

Your looking at exactly the same place in both Ezekiels account and John's, the (Eternal New Jerusalem)

Same River, Same Tree Of Life, Same Fruit, Same Leaves For Healing/Medicine

Ezekiel 47:12KJV
12 And by the river upon the bank thereof, on this side and on that side, shall grow all trees for meat, whose leaf shall not fade, neither shall the fruit thereof be consumed: it shall bring forth new fruit according to his months, because their waters they issued out of the sanctuary: and the fruit thereof shall be for meat, and the leaf thereof for medicine.

Revelation 22:1-2KJV
1 And he shewed me a pure river of water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding out of the throne of God and of the Lamb.
2 In the midst of the street of it, and on either side of the river, was there the tree of life, which bare twelve manner of fruits, and yielded her fruit every month: and the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations.
 

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I agree, I read it and receive it for what it is, (The Eternal New Jerusalem)

Your looking at exactly the same place in both Ezekiels account and John's, the (Eternal New Jerusalem)

Same River, Same Tree Of Life, Same Fruit, Same Leaves For Healing/Medicine

Ezekiel 47:12KJV
12 And by the river upon the bank thereof, on this side and on that side, shall grow all trees for meat, whose leaf shall not fade, neither shall the fruit thereof be consumed: it shall bring forth new fruit according to his months, because their waters they issued out of the sanctuary: and the fruit thereof shall be for meat, and the leaf thereof for medicine.

Revelation 22:1-2KJV
1 And he shewed me a pure river of water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding out of the throne of God and of the Lamb.
2 In the midst of the street of it, and on either side of the river, was there the tree of life, which bare twelve manner of fruits, and yielded her fruit every month: and the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations.
Come on man. You're wasting your time typing all that stuff for me. I believe in a literal earthly kingdom ruled by Jesus and His saints from a physical real temple in Jerusalem and a earthly plot of ground known as Israel. This will last 1000 years, then a new heavens and new earth will be created free of any effects of the original sin.
 

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Interesting understanding.
Admittedly, I'm not an escatology guy, but I know that the time of sacrifices is over, and I know that we don't have the ability to make a temple issue a river out from it, that will desalinate the sea, and we don't have any fruit trees that produce monthly.

What this sounds like to me is a deception. That people will decide on a location and build a temple and start sacrificing and many people who call themselves Christian will go there and sacrifice animals and inturn blaspheme Jesus. It will in no way be Ezekiel's temple, and in no way be sanctified by God. Just another deception to derail would be Christians.
100% Correct!

A man made temple,that will be a foundation to establish a Messiah to Jews, And a walk on Jesus Christ to a false Church on earth, Shazam The Man Of Sin Revealed!

It let's you see the deception, as seen in Ezekiel 47:12 & Rev 22:1-2 below, and they openly deny they are the same place?

Same River, Tree, Fruit Every Month, Leaves For Healing/Medicine

And They Deny Its Exactly The Same Place?

Your looking at exactly the same place in both Ezekiels account and John's, the (Eternal New Jerusalem)

Same River, Same Tree Of Life, Same Fruit, Same Leaves For Healing/Medicine

Ezekiel 47:12KJV
12 And by the river upon the bank thereof, on this side and on that side, shall grow all trees for meat, whose leaf shall not fade, neither shall the fruit thereof be consumed: it shall bring forth new fruit according to his months, because their waters they issued out of the sanctuary: and the fruit thereof shall be for meat, and the leaf thereof for medicine.

Revelation 22:1-2KJV
1 And he shewed me a pure river of water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding out of the throne of God and of the Lamb.
2 In the midst of the street of it, and on either side of the river, was there the tree of life, which bare twelve manner of fruits, and yielded her fruit every month: and the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations.
 

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You just don't get it. The Lord Jesus Christ is going to rule over his people Israel on earth and his miraculous power is going to do all these things. The Lord Jesus Christ Himself will be present when the millennial temple is being built.
Big Smiles! :ROFL:

Now Jesus Christ Is Going To Be Chief Engineer On The Temple Project o_O

Jesus Christ Won't Be Found Any Place On This Earth

Go Not Forth, Believe It Not!

Matthew 24:24-27KJV
24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
25 Behold, I have told you before.
26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.
27 For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
 

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Big Smiles! :ROFL:

Now Jesus Christ Is Going To Be Chief Engineer On The Temple Project o_O

Jesus Christ Won't Be Found Any Place On This Earth

Go Not Forth, Believe It Not!

Matthew 24:24-27KJV
24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
25 Behold, I have told you before.
26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.
27 For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
The Abomination of Desolation Matthew 24:
14And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in all the world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come. 15So when you see standing in the holy place ‘the abomination of desolation,’ described by the prophet Daniel (let the reader understand), 16then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains.…
Daniel 9:27
And he will confirm a covenant with many for one week, but in the middle of the week he will put an end to sacrifice and offering. And on the wing of the temple will come the abomination that causes desolation, until the decreed destruction is poured out upon him."

Daniel 11:31
His forces will rise up and desecrate the temple fortress. They will abolish the daily sacrifice and set up the abomination of desolation.

2 Thessalonians 2:3-5
The Man of Lawlessness
…3Let no one deceive you in any way, for it will not come until the rebellion occurs and the man of lawlessness—the son of destruction—is revealed. 4He will oppose and exalt himself above every so-called god or object of worship. So he will seat himself in the temple of God, proclaiming himself to be God. 5Do you not remember that I told you these things while I was still with you?…
Berean Study Bible ·

Is that clear enough?
 

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people will decide on a location and build a temple and start sacrificing and many people who call themselves Christian will go there and sacrifice animals and inturn blaspheme Jesus. It will in no way be Ezekiel's temple, and in no way be sanctified by God. Just another deception to derail would be Christians.
The scripture clearly shows a future temple built, and renewed animal sacrifice resumed.

No it wont be sanctified by God, but will be an Abomination before the Lord, and he will send (Delusion)

You will closely note that it appears that Isaiah 66:4 and 2 Thess 2:11 appears to be the very same delusion, that appears to be in receiving the future Man of Sin, The Antichrist?

Isaiah 66:1-4KJV
Thus saith the Lord, The heaven is my throne, and the earth is my footstool: where is the house that ye build unto me? and where is the place of my rest?
2 For all those things hath mine hand made, and all those things have been, saith the Lord: but to this man will I look, even to him that is poor and of a contrite spirit, and trembleth at my word.
3 He that killeth an ox is as if he slew a man; he that sacrificeth a lamb, as if he cut off a dog's neck; he that offereth an oblation, as if he offered swine's blood; he that burneth incense, as if he blessed an idol. Yea, they have chosen their own ways, and their soul delighteth in their abominations.
4 I also will choose their delusions, and will bring their fears upon them
; because when I called, none did answer; when I spake, they did not hear: but they did evil before mine eyes, and chose that in which I delighted not.

2 Thessalonians 2:3-12KJV
3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.
5 Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things?
6 And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time.
7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.
8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:
9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,
10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
 

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The Abomination of Desolation Matthew 24:
14And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in all the world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come. 15So when you see standing in the holy place ‘the abomination of desolation,’ described by the prophet Daniel (let the reader understand), 16then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains.…
Daniel 9:27
And he will confirm a covenant with many for one week, but in the middle of the week he will put an end to sacrifice and offering. And on the wing of the temple will come the abomination that causes desolation, until the decreed destruction is poured out upon him."

Daniel 11:31
His forces will rise up and desecrate the temple fortress. They will abolish the daily sacrifice and set up the abomination of desolation.

2 Thessalonians 2:3-5
The Man of Lawlessness
…3Let no one deceive you in any way, for it will not come until the rebellion occurs and the man of lawlessness—the son of destruction—is revealed. 4He will oppose and exalt himself above every so-called god or object of worship. So he will seat himself in the temple of God, proclaiming himself to be God. 5Do you not remember that I told you these things while I was still with you?…
Berean Study Bible ·

Is that clear enough?
I fully believe in a future antichrist, that will deceive the world into believing he is Messiah, Jesus Christ on earth, what are you trying to convey?
 

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Big Smiles! :ROFL:

Now Jesus Christ Is Going To Be Chief Engineer On The Temple Project o_O

Jesus Christ Won't Be Found Any Place On This Earth

Go Not Forth, Believe It Not!

Matthew 24:24-27KJV
24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
25 Behold, I have told you before.
26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.
27 For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
I would refrain from exegeting anything. Truly it is just not your forte.
Jesus Christ is the Chief Engineer of creation. He will be terraforming the entire planet in very short order upon his imminent return. Building a Temple in Jerusalem is no problem.
 

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I fully believe in a future antichrist, that will deceive the world into believing he is Messiah, Jesus Christ on earth, what are you trying to convey?
I just preferred to use the scripture in order to carry the message that you just sort of paraphrased. Nobody can argue with scripture.

You are correct!