The Law of God - who is it meant for and why?

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BenjaminN

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Jacob, surnamed Israel, is made up of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation, all of God's elect.
Jacob / Israel blessed all the peoples to the extents of the earth, every tribe, tongue and nation, when he blessed his son Joseph's son the half-Egyptian Ephraim, and therefore to re-establish God's kingdom of Israel, Christ Yeshua sent his apostles to Jerusalem, Samaria and to the extents of the earth.

Genesis 48 (Young's Literal Translation)


14 And Israel putteth out his right hand, and placeth [it] upon the head of Ephraim, who [is] the younger, and his left hand upon the head of Manasseh; he hath guided his hands wisely, for Manasseh [is] the first-born. 18 and Joseph saith unto his father, `Not so, my father, for this [is] the first-born; set thy right hand on his head.' 19 And his father refuseth, and saith, `I have known, my son, I have known; he also becometh a people, and he also is great, and yet, his young brother is greater than he, and his seed is the fulness of the nations;'


Acts 1 (ESV)


6 So when they had come together, they asked him, "Lord, will you at this time restore the kingdom to Israel?" 7 He said to them, "It is not for you to know times or seasons that the Father has fixed by his own authority. 8 But you will receive power when the Holy Spirit has come upon you, and you will be my witnesses in Jerusalem and in all Judea and Samaria, and to the end of the earth."


Romans 11 (ESV)


25 Lest you be wise in your own sight, I do not want you to be unaware of this mystery, brothers: a partial hardening has come upon Israel, until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in. 26 And in this way all Israel will be saved, as it is written, "The Deliverer will come from Zion, he will banish ungodliness from Jacob"; 27 "and this will be my covenant with them when I take away their sins."


skip to 1h13m : https://bit.ly/GentilesEphraimJewsJudahAt1h13m
 

throughfaith

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Jacob / Israel blessed all the peoples to the extents of the earth, every tribe, tongue and nation, when he blessed his son Joseph's son the half-Egyptian Ephraim, and therefore to re-establish God's kingdom of Israel, Christ Yeshua sent his apostles to Jerusalem, Samaria and to the extents of the earth.

Genesis 48 (Young's Literal Translation)


14 And Israel putteth out his right hand, and placeth [it] upon the head of Ephraim, who [is] the younger, and his left hand upon the head of Manasseh; he hath guided his hands wisely, for Manasseh [is] the first-born. 18 and Joseph saith unto his father, `Not so, my father, for this [is] the first-born; set thy right hand on his head.' 19 And his father refuseth, and saith, `I have known, my son, I have known; he also becometh a people, and he also is great, and yet, his young brother is greater than he, and his seed is the fulness of the nations;'


Acts 1 (ESV)


6 So when they had come together, they asked him, "Lord, will you at this time restore the kingdom to Israel?" 7 He said to them, "It is not for you to know times or seasons that the Father has fixed by his own authority. 8 But you will receive power when the Holy Spirit has come upon you, and you will be my witnesses in Jerusalem and in all Judea and Samaria, and to the end of the earth."


Romans 11 (ESV)


25 Lest you be wise in your own sight, I do not want you to be unaware of this mystery, brothers: a partial hardening has come upon Israel, until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in. 26 And in this way all Israel will be saved, as it is written, "The Deliverer will come from Zion, he will banish ungodliness from Jacob"; 27 "and this will be my covenant with them when I take away their sins."


skip to 1h13m : https://bit.ly/GentilesEphraimJewsJudahAt1h13m
Calvinists agreeing on replacement theology ,whats new 🤔 lol
 

Grandpa

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Calvinists agreeing on replacement theology ,whats new 🤔 lol
You show that Christ has fulfilled the Law by scripture and your knowledge shows that you know that Christ has made the Law obsolete.

When we are grafted into the vine can't you see we partake in the blessing of the Root?

Galatians 3:28-29
28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.

29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.
 

throughfaith

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You show that Christ has fulfilled the Law by scripture and your knowledge shows that you know that Christ has made the Law obsolete.

When we are grafted into the vine can't you see we partake in the blessing of the Root?

Galatians 3:28-29
28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.

29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.
I agree we take part in their blessings. But we do not become Israel all of a suddenly magically in all the verses that say ' Israel ' in the Old testament. This is the church age . Afterwards Gods programme shifts back to Israel. Thats what Ezekiel 36 for example is referring to .
 

Grandpa

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I agree we take part in their blessings. But we do not become Israel all of a suddenly magically in all the verses that say ' Israel ' in the Old testament. This is the church age . Afterwards Gods programme shifts back to Israel. Thats what Ezekiel 36 for example is referring to .
You don't understand that is part of the Blessing? I don't see how you can miss it.

Ezekiel 36:26-27
26 A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.

27 And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.


2 Corinthians 3:3 Forasmuch as ye are manifestly declared to be the epistle of Christ ministered by us, written not with ink, but with the Spirit of the living God; not in tables of stone, but in fleshy tables of the heart.
 

throughfaith

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You don't understand that is part of the Blessing? I don't see how you can miss it.

Ezekiel 36:26-27
26 A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.

27 And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.


2 Corinthians 3:3 Forasmuch as ye are manifestly declared to be the epistle of Christ ministered by us, written not with ink, but with the Spirit of the living God; not in tables of stone, but in fleshy tables of the heart.
Because it literally says Israel. Since when are we caused to walk in old testament Judgement s and statutes . Israel future will return to those observances which God will CAUSE them to walk in . When THEY turn back to the Lord . Future .
 

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Because it literally says Israel. Since when are we caused to walk in old testament Judgement s and statutes . Israel future will return to those observances which God will CAUSE them to walk in . When THEY turn back to the Lord . Future .
You don't understand that is part of the Blessing? I don't see how you can miss it.

Ezekiel 36:26-27
26 A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.

27 And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.


2 Corinthians 3:3 Forasmuch as ye are manifestly declared to be the epistle of Christ ministered by us, written not with ink, but with the Spirit of the living God; not in tables of stone, but in fleshy tables of the heart.
Ezekiel 36 .

4Therefore, ye mountains of Israel,

6¶Prophesy therefore concerning the land of Israel

8But ye, O mountains of Israel, ye shall shoot forth your branches, and yield your fruit to my people of Israel; for they are at hand to come.

10And I will multiply men upon you, all the house of Israel, even all of it: and the cities shall be inhabited, and the wastes shall be builded:

12Yea, I will cause men to walk upon you, even my people Israel;

17Son of man, when the house of Israel

21But I had pity for mine holy name, which the house of Israel

22¶Therefore say unto the house of Israel, Thus saith the Lord GOD; I do not this for your sakes, O house of Israel,

25Then will I sprinkle clean water upon you, and ye shall be clean: from all your filthiness, and from all your idols, will I cleanse you.

26A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you( ISRAEL ) an heart of flesh(.ISREAL )

27And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them. ( ISRAEL )

28And ye shall dwell in the land that I gave to your fathers; and ye shall be my people, and I will be your God.
(ISREAL )

32Not for your sakes do I this, saith the Lord GOD, be it known unto you: be ashamed and confounded for your own ways, O house of Israel.

37¶Thus saith the Lord GOD; I will yet for this be enquired of by the house of Israel, to do it for them; I will increase them with men like a flock.

WE SHOULD NOT BE IN DOUBT WHO THIS IS SPEAKING ABOUT . ISRAEL !!!!
 

BenjaminN

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Calvinists agreeing on replacement theology ,whats new 🤔 lol
I do not subscribe to Replacement theology. I as a Gentile adopted into Israel's Ephraim's promised seed, subscribe to being grafted into the Jewish-born root of Christ Yeshua as an Israelite. Therefor being an Israelite with him. I believe that Judah's Jews that was temporarily cut-off from Christ Yeshua as the root, will be grafted in again in future. Romans 11:25-27 - this is not replacement theology, this might be called Two house theology by some, as the two houses of Israel, Ephraim's Gentiles and Judah's Jews will ultimately at the end of all, be grafted in completely into the root, Christ Yeshua (Romans 11).

Replacement theology: Believing that the Church as a separate body from Israel, replaced God's promises to Israel of the Old Testament.

Here's KJV, so you do not have to look up yourself.


Romans 11 (KJV)


25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in. 26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob: 27 For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.


and for me:


Romans 11 (ESV)


25 Lest you be wise in your own sight, I do not want you to be unaware of this mystery, brothers: a partial hardening has come upon Israel, until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in. 26 And in this way all Israel will be saved, as it is written, "The Deliverer will come from Zion, he will banish ungodliness from Jacob"; 27 "and this will be my covenant with them when I take away their sins."
 

BenjaminN

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You show that Christ has fulfilled the Law by scripture and your knowledge shows that you know that Christ has made the Law obsolete.

When we are grafted into the vine can't you see we partake in the blessing of the Root?

Galatians 3:28-29
28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.

29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.
Obsolete for salvation yes. Not obsolete for measuring our actions, as God's children, to know what is sin, to know what to do, to sin no more. Without knowledge of God's will, his commandments, his law, written on our hearts, under his new covenant, how will we as his saved children know what is sin? Obedience to God's will, God's commandments, God's law, follows receiving grace of salvation through his gift of faith.


John 8 (ESV)


3 The scribes and the Pharisees brought a woman who had been caught in adultery, and placing her in the midst 4 they said to him, "Teacher, this woman has been caught in the act of adultery. 5 Now in the Law Moses commanded us to stone such women. So what do you say?" 6 This they said to test him, that they might have some charge to bring against him. Jesus bent down and wrote with his finger on the ground. 7 And as they continued to ask him, he stood up and said to them, "Let him who is without sin among you be the first to throw a stone at her." 8 And once more he bent down and wrote on the ground. 9 But when they heard it, they went away one by one, beginning with the older ones, and Jesus was left alone with the woman standing before him. 10 Jesus stood up and said to her, "Woman, where are they? Has no one condemned you?" 11 She said, "No one, Lord." And Jesus said, "Neither do I condemn you; go, and from now on sin no more."


Romans 2 (ESV)


14 For when Gentiles, who do not have the law, by nature do what the law requires, they are a law to themselves, even though they do not have the law. 15 They show that the work of the law is written on their hearts, while their conscience also bears witness, and their conflicting thoughts accuse or even excuse them 16 on that day when, according to my gospel, God judges the secrets of men by Christ Jesus.


Hebrews 8 (ESV)


10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, declares the Lord: I will put my laws into their minds, and write them on their hearts, and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.
 

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I do not subscribe to Replacement theology. I as a Gentile adopted into Israel's Ephraim's promised seed, subscribe to being grafted into the Jewish-born root of Christ Yeshua as an Israelite. Therefor being an Israelite with him. I believe that Judah's Jews that was temporarily cut-off from Christ Yeshua as the root, will be grafted in again in future. Romans 11:25-27 - this is not replacement theology, this might be called Two house theology by some, as the two houses of Israel, Ephraim's Gentiles and Judah's Jews will ultimately at the end of all, be grafted in completely into the root, Christ Yeshua (Romans 11).

Replacement theology: Believing that the Church as a separate body from Israel, replaced God's promises to Israel of the Old Testament.

Here's KJV, so you do not have to look up yourself.


Romans 11 (KJV)


25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in. 26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob: 27 For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.


and for me:


Romans 11 (ESV)


25 Lest you be wise in your own sight, I do not want you to be unaware of this mystery, brothers: a partial hardening has come upon Israel, until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in. 26 And in this way all Israel will be saved, as it is written, "The Deliverer will come from Zion, he will banish ungodliness from Jacob"; 27 "and this will be my covenant with them when I take away their sins."
The covenant that is about to be established is to be with 1.) “the house of Israel” and 2.) “the house of Judah”

A. The covenant is not to be made with “the elect.”

.B The covenant is not to be made with the Body of Christ.


C. The covenant is not to be made with the “Israel of God.”

D. The covenant is not to be made with “Spiritual Jews.”

E. The covenant is not to be made with “Jehovah’s Witnesses.”

F. The covenant is to be made with “the church.”

G. The covenant is not to be made with “Spiritual Israel.”

H. The covenant is not to be made with Christians, believers, Catholics, or Hebrew Christians.

The covenant is to be made “with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah” (vs. 8).
All Campbellites (Church of Christ elders) pervert the passage. All Roman Catholic bishops and priests pervert the passage. All Mormons and Seventh-day Adventists pervert the passage.

The covenant spoken of here produces the following unique results: 1. The laws of God wind up in the hearts and minds of an entire nation that murdered God’s Son (Acts 7:52; Matt. 21:38–39) and opposed the preaching of the gospel (1 Thess. 2:15–16): “I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts” (vs. 10). 2. God will convert every single living Jew (not “spiritual Jew” or “spiritual Israel”) who composes the “house of Israel” and the “house of Judah” (vs. 11) so that none of them will have to witness or testify to anyone about any “plan of salvation,” “the gospel,” “the new covenant,” or anything like it.
This is the theme of Romans 11 .

 

throughfaith

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Obsolete for salvation yes. Not obsolete for measuring our actions, as God's children, to know what is sin, to know what to do, to sin no more. Without knowledge of God's will, his commandments, his law, written on our hearts, under his new covenant, how will we as his saved children know what is sin? Obedience to God's will, God's commandments, God's law, follows receiving grace of salvation through his gift of faith.


John 8 (ESV)


3 The scribes and the Pharisees brought a woman who had been caught in adultery, and placing her in the midst 4 they said to him, "Teacher, this woman has been caught in the act of adultery. 5 Now in the Law Moses commanded us to stone such women. So what do you say?" 6 This they said to test him, that they might have some charge to bring against him. Jesus bent down and wrote with his finger on the ground. 7 And as they continued to ask him, he stood up and said to them, "Let him who is without sin among you be the first to throw a stone at her." 8 And once more he bent down and wrote on the ground. 9 But when they heard it, they went away one by one, beginning with the older ones, and Jesus was left alone with the woman standing before him. 10 Jesus stood up and said to her, "Woman, where are they? Has no one condemned you?" 11 She said, "No one, Lord." And Jesus said, "Neither do I condemn you; go, and from now on sin no more."


Romans 2 (ESV)


14 For when Gentiles, who do not have the law, by nature do what the law requires, they are a law to themselves, even though they do not have the law. 15 They show that the work of the law is written on their hearts, while their conscience also bears witness, and their conflicting thoughts accuse or even excuse them 16 on that day when, according to my gospel, God judges the secrets of men by Christ Jesus.


Hebrews 8 (ESV)


10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, declares the Lord: I will put my laws into their minds, and write them on their hearts, and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.
John 8 is before the cross .
Romans 2 is laying the groundwork to ' For all have sinned and fall short of the Glory of God .

Hebrews is written to ? the clue is in the title.
 

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I agree we take part in their blessings. But we do not become Israel all of a suddenly magically in all the verses that say ' Israel ' in the Old testament. This is the church age . Afterwards Gods programme shifts back to Israel. Thats what Ezekiel 36 for example is referring to .
Dispensationalism... Can not go with that, God has one covenant people, and he is busy restoring the kingdom of Israel, under Christ Yeshua. The church under Christ Yeshua, is his restoration of the kingdom of Israel. Christ Yeshua is the foundation, the apostles built on him, Judah's Jews hearts has been temporarily hardened until the fulness of Ephraim's Gentiles has come in, then all of Israel, Ephraim and Judah (of Ezekiel 37's joining into one root, Christ Yeshua, the eternal Davidic King of Ezekiel 37's), would be restored, and God's kingdom of Israel on earth would be established under Christ Yeshua, after his next and final coming in Ezekiel 37.


Acts 1 (ESV)


4 And while staying with them he ordered them not to depart from Jerusalem, but to wait for the promise of the Father, which, he said, "you heard from me; 5 for John baptized with water, but you will be baptized with the Holy Spirit not many days from now." 6 So when they had come together, they asked him, "Lord, will you at this time restore the kingdom to Israel?" 7 He said to them, "It is not for you to know times or seasons that the Father has fixed by his own authority. 8 But you will receive power when the Holy Spirit has come upon you, and you will be my witnesses in Jerusalem and in all Judea and Samaria, and to the end of the earth."
 

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Because it literally says Israel. Since when are we caused to walk in old testament Judgement s and statutes . Israel future will return to those observances which God will CAUSE them to walk in . When THEY turn back to the Lord . Future .
Do you want to be grafted into Israel or not?
 

throughfaith

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Dispensationalism... Can not go with that, God has one covenant people, and he is busy restoring the kingdom of Israel, under Christ Yeshua. The church under Christ Yeshua, is his restoration of the kingdom of Israel. Christ Yeshua is the foundation, the apostles built on him, Judah's Jews hearts has been temporarily hardened until the fulness of Ephraim's Gentiles has come in, then all of Israel, Ephraim and Judah (of Ezekiel 37's joining into one root, Christ Yeshua, the eternal Davidic King of Ezekiel 37's), would be restored, and God's kingdom of Israel on earth would be established under Christ Yeshua, after his next and final coming in Ezekiel 37.


Acts 1 (ESV)


4 And while staying with them he ordered them not to depart from Jerusalem, but to wait for the promise of the Father, which, he said, "you heard from me; 5 for John baptized with water, but you will be baptized with the Holy Spirit not many days from now." 6 So when they had come together, they asked him, "Lord, will you at this time restore the kingdom to Israel?" 7 He said to them, "It is not for you to know times or seasons that the Father has fixed by his own authority. 8 But you will receive power when the Holy Spirit has come upon you, and you will be my witnesses in Jerusalem and in all Judea and Samaria, and to the end of the earth."
Would you class your self as a hebrew Christian? I'm trying to understand you. You definitely hold to reformed theology . But your close to a torah observer ?
 

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Do you want to be grafted into Israel or not?
The covenant that is about to be established is to be with 1.) “the house of Israel” and 2.) “the house of Judah”

A. The covenant is not to be made with “the elect.”

.B The covenant is not to be made with the Body of Christ.


C. The covenant is not to be made with the “Israel of God.”

D. The covenant is not to be made with “Spiritual Jews.”

E. The covenant is not to be made with “Jehovah’s Witnesses.”

F. The covenant is to be made with “the church.”

G. The covenant is not to be made with “Spiritual Israel.”

H. The covenant is not to be made with Christians, believers, Catholics, or Hebrew Christians.

The covenant is to be made “with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah” (vs. 8).
All Campbellites (Church of Christ elders) pervert the passage. All Roman Catholic bishops and priests pervert the passage. All Mormons and Seventh-day Adventists pervert the passage.

The covenant spoken of here produces the following unique results: 1. The laws of God wind up in the hearts and minds of an entire nation that murdered God’s Son (Acts 7:52; Matt. 21:38–39) and opposed the preaching of the gospel (1 Thess. 2:15–16): “I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts” (vs. 10). 2. God will convert every single living Jew (not “spiritual Jew” or “spiritual Israel”) who composes the “house of Israel” and the “house of Judah” (vs. 11) so that none of them will have to witness or testify to anyone about any “plan of salvation,” “the gospel,” “the new covenant,” or anything like it.
This is the theme of Romans 11 .

 

BenjaminN

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Ezekiel 36 .

4Therefore, ye mountains of Israel,

6¶Prophesy therefore concerning the land of Israel

8But ye, O mountains of Israel, ye shall shoot forth your branches, and yield your fruit to my people of Israel; for they are at hand to come.

10And I will multiply men upon you, all the house of Israel, even all of it: and the cities shall be inhabited, and the wastes shall be builded:

12Yea, I will cause men to walk upon you, even my people Israel;

17Son of man, when the house of Israel

21But I had pity for mine holy name, which the house of Israel

22¶Therefore say unto the house of Israel, Thus saith the Lord GOD; I do not this for your sakes, O house of Israel,

25Then will I sprinkle clean water upon you, and ye shall be clean: from all your filthiness, and from all your idols, will I cleanse you.

26A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you( ISRAEL ) an heart of flesh(.ISREAL )

27And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them. ( ISRAEL )

28And ye shall dwell in the land that I gave to your fathers; and ye shall be my people, and I will be your God.
(ISREAL )

32Not for your sakes do I this, saith the Lord GOD, be it known unto you: be ashamed and confounded for your own ways, O house of Israel.

37¶Thus saith the Lord GOD; I will yet for this be enquired of by the house of Israel, to do it for them; I will increase them with men like a flock.

WE SHOULD NOT BE IN DOUBT WHO THIS IS SPEAKING ABOUT . ISRAEL !!!!
Yes, to us, we Ephraim's Gentiles are grafted into the kingdom of Israel. Judah's Jews has received a temporary hardening, but will also be grafted into the root, Christ Yeshua in future, so all Israel can be saved (Romans 11:25-27). Read the whole of Romans 11, to see how we are becoming one kingdom of Israel under Christ Yeshua's kingship.
 

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Yes, to us, we Ephraim's Gentiles are grafted into the kingdom of Israel. Judah's Jews has received a temporary hardening, but will also be grafted into the root, Christ Yeshua in future, so all Israel can be saved (Romans 11:25-27). Read the whole of Romans 11, to see how we are becoming one kingdom of Israel under Christ Yeshua's kingship.
You should team up with Forestgreencook ya both got similar views .
Where did you learn this stuff? Did you grow up in this type of belief system ? Family ect ?
 

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The covenant that is about to be established is to be with 1.) “the house of Israel” and 2.) “the house of Judah”

A. The covenant is not to be made with “the elect.”

.B The covenant is not to be made with the Body of Christ.


C. The covenant is not to be made with the “Israel of God.”

D. The covenant is not to be made with “Spiritual Jews.”

E. The covenant is not to be made with “Jehovah’s Witnesses.”

F. The covenant is to be made with “the church.”

G. The covenant is not to be made with “Spiritual Israel.”

H. The covenant is not to be made with Christians, believers, Catholics, or Hebrew Christians.

The covenant is to be made “with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah” (vs. 8).
All Campbellites (Church of Christ elders) pervert the passage. All Roman Catholic bishops and priests pervert the passage. All Mormons and Seventh-day Adventists pervert the passage.

The covenant spoken of here produces the following unique results: 1. The laws of God wind up in the hearts and minds of an entire nation that murdered God’s Son (Acts 7:52; Matt. 21:38–39) and opposed the preaching of the gospel (1 Thess. 2:15–16): “I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts” (vs. 10). 2. God will convert every single living Jew (not “spiritual Jew” or “spiritual Israel”) who composes the “house of Israel” and the “house of Judah” (vs. 11) so that none of them will have to witness or testify to anyone about any “plan of salvation,” “the gospel,” “the new covenant,” or anything like it.
This is the theme of Romans 11 .
The church is Christ Yeshua's kingdom of Israel in restoration.

Have you ever wondered, why the two houses, the house of Israel, and the house of Judah. The united monarchy of David split into two kingdoms, after the death of king Solomon. Into the northern kingdom - house of Israel under Ephraim, and the southern kingdom - house of Judah.

The northern kingdom, house of Israel under Ephraim, were utterly destroyed and dispersed into the Gentiles, hence the house of Israel under Ephraim, being among the Gentiles.

The southern kingdom, house of Judah, stayed sort of intact among the Jews.

When Paul talks of this mystery, that we should not be unaware of, that has been revealed to him by Christ Yeshua, he knew that the two houses, Jew (Judah) and Gentile (Israel under Ephraim scattered among the Gentiles) will be redeemed, so all Israel will be saved - as God does not break promises. The northern kingdom captured by the Assyrians in 721BC (in accordance with Ezekiel 4's 390 days = 390 years , and Leviticus 26's sevenfold punishment for non-repentance, this gives a 2730 years of exile for Ephraim, for the fullness of the Gentiles to have come in - it took 2730 years for Ephraim to realise they are among the Gentiles, 721BC + 2730 years = 2009AC) would take 2730 years to return from exile, starting in 2009AC.