Lordship salvation vs. "easy believism"

I see that you don't distinguish between the nation of Israel and individual Jews, maybe that is why you don't understand my argument.

What evidence do you have that John only wrote to the nation of Israel

What evidence do you have that the gospel and three epistles and the apocalypse were written to the nation of Israel.

The epistles and apocrypha were written to churches, not a nation.

I don’t understand your argument because it includes the false premise that John only wrote to the nation of Israel

No reason to accept that premise whatsoever

What evidence do you have that John only wrote to the nation of Israel

What evidence do you have that the gospel and three epistles and the apocalypse were written to the nation of Israel.

The epistles and apocrypha were written to churches, not a nation.

I don’t understand your argument because it includes the false premise that John only wrote to the nation of Israel

No reason to accept that premise whatsoever

So why did seperate Paul from his mother's womb? Because his parents were so special? No. SO it doesn't matter that he was seperated from his mother's womb. It was a calling that was not based on anything he or anyone else did. His apostleship was purely by God's Soveriegn choice.

And it's ludicrous to say that God chose Paul to be an apostle before he was foreknown as one of God's elect. Paul would necessarily have to be elect to be an apostle. God wasn't like, "hey, I'm not sure if this guy is going to be saved, but I think I'll call him to be an apostle and hope for the best." That is silly.

So it was already known by God that Paul would be saved. He would have to be saved to be an apostle. And his apostleship was based on God's Soveriegn choice and nothing else.

But God knew that he would be a believer before the foundation of the world. Try to deny that and you are an open theist

God chose Paul before Paul ever thought of choosing God. In his mother's womb. How do you get around that?

Was God's choice of Paul based on His foreknowledge of Paul or purely and entirely on God's Sovereign CHOICE.

Which do you want verses for?

a. God knew you before you were born
b. That He called you
c. That He has a purpose for you.

Which one are you having trouble with?

Which do you want verses for?

a. God knew you before you were born
b. That He called you
c. That He has a purpose for you.

Which one are you having trouble with?

So God didn’t know Paul as a future adopted son until he got saved even though Paul was already a son by the new birth, but God didn’t foreknow him or predestine him until he got saved, yet he seperated him to be an apostle from his mother’s womb.

Huh?

Doesn't answer the question, Hoss.

You do know that Jesus did not exercise all of His Divine prerogatives, right? Like the fact that He said He didn't know the day or the hour of His return.

Paul was a chosen vessel for the greatest miracle‑working ministry in the Bible outside of the Lord Jesus Christ Himself (Rom. 15:16–19). It would be rather presumptuous to say that every saved sinner was “separated from the womb” in that fashion.

Paul was a chosen vessel for the greatest miracle‑working ministry in the Bible outside of the Lord Jesus Christ Himself (Rom. 15:16–19). It would be rather presumptuous to say that every saved sinner was “separated from the womb” in that fashion.

I see your approach to the Scriptures is to take one occurance or one verse and extroplate that to include at other times without the bible actually saying so . Your modelling inductive reasoning perfectly .

Yes (agreed).


[2 Timothy 1, vv.10-11--Paul saying...]

"and now having been made manifest by [/by means of] the appearing of our Savior Christ Jesus, having abolished death and having brought to light life and immortality through [/by means of] the gospel to which I was appointed herald and apostle and teacher."

I bet you claim Lydia's account for yourself also?
" Oh yeah Lord i claim my Healing , i see the apostles raising people from death and fixing the lame and i say Lord MEE TO !!! ,oh yes Lordy, I am David , i am elijah and I am moses , I claim the anointing , i claim my blessing . Dont touch thy Lords aaanoieted !! "

L


I claim none of those things. I merely claim that the One True God foreknows all things, including who will be saved and how He will use them, and He works all things after the council of His Will.

This is not about me glorifying man. This is about you reducing God to someone who is utterly dependent on us and our actions to do or know anything.

" I see jeezas walking that ole water in tha bible and turning water ina wine ,and i say ME TOO , oh yes i claim that for me too . in Jesus name , SPLOSH !!!

L


I claim none of those things. I merely claim that the One True God foreknows all things, including who will be saved and how He will use them, and He works all things after the council of His Will.

This is not about me glorifying man. This is about you reducing God to someone who is utterly dependent on us and our actions to do or know anything.

You are still yet to answer . I agree God knows. Weve established that. God is not bound by time. He probably sees things, past present and future at a glance. My point is ,what does that have to do with us ?