Lordship salvation vs. "easy believism"

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John146 said:
Absolutely, God knows our hearts, our motives our thoughts.

8 And God, which knoweth the hearts, bare them witness, giving them the Holy Ghost, even as he did unto us;
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Acts 15;18, not 8.
 
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OIC1965 said:
Acts 15;18, not 8.
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Agreed. We have them in Scripture, even future prophecy. These things will come to pass because God has declared it to be. These things were known of God from the beginning.

18 Known unto God are all his works from the beginning of the world.
 
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John146 said:
I don’t see it in Scripture. If scripture says it, then I believe it. I try not to read any preconceived beliefs into scripture.
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Ephesians 1:4-5

Romans 8:29-30

Isaiah 44:7- one of the evidences that God gives that there is no one like Him, is that He knows and can declare the future. Are you going to put limitations on this Divine Perfection?

Isaiah 46:9-10

Isaiah 41:23
 
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OIC1965 said:
Ephesians 1:4-5

Romans 8:29-30

Isaiah 44:7- one of the evidences that God gives that there is no one like Him, is that He knows and can declare the future. Are you going to put limitations on this Divine Perfection?

Isaiah 46:9-10

Isaiah 41:23
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God can and has declared the future. It’s called prophecy. The things He has declared will take place.
 
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John146 said:
God can and has declared the future. It’s called prophecy. The things He has declared will take place.
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So you don’t think God knows who’s going to be saved and who’s not, until they get saved or die lost

That’s limiting God.
 
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OIC1965 said:
So you don’t think God knows who’s going to be saved and who’s not, until they get saved or die lost

That’s limiting God.
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The authority is the scriptures not our philosophy about God .
 
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OIC1965 said:
Keep reading.
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1¶Behold my servant, ( service ) whom I uphold; mine elect, in whom my soul delighteth; I have put my spirit upon him: he shall bring forth judgment to the Gentiles( Service)
This is what 'elect 'means .
 
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throughfaith said:
The authority is the scriptures not our philosophy about God .
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I gave several scriptures to John 14:6. And you said you weren’t an open theist. To say that God has limited foreknowledge is open theism.
 
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throughfaith said:
1¶Behold my servant, ( service ) whom I uphold; mine elect, in whom my soul delighteth; I have put my spirit upon him: he shall bring forth judgment to the Gentiles( Service)
This is what 'elect 'means .
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That’s what elect means in 1 Peter 1:2 also?
 
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throughfaith said:
Before the foundation of the world . God chose to be the case .
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Yes. God God could see the future before the fpundation of the world, just as He can now. If He couldn’t, that would amount to Him learning new things and increasing in knowledge.

Does God increase in knowledge? That would imply imperfection in knowledge. Which is open theism

So you are correct. God foreknew all things from eternity past.
 
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OIC1965 said:
Yes. God God could see the future before the fpundation of the world, just as He can now. If He couldn’t, that would amount to Him learning new things and increasing in knowledge.

Does God increase in knowledge? That would imply imperfection in knowledge. Which is open theism

So you are correct. God foreknew all things from eternity past.
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And if God has perfect foreknowledge of all things, that includes those He will adopt.

The knowledge in Gal. 4 is speaking of relationship. Not the same thing that I’m talking about.
 
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Nehemiah6 said:
This is PATENTLY FALSE since you know nothing about the inner workings of God Questions.

Furthermore you are sitting in judgment over others, when you yourself have a very shaky foundation, hopping back and forth between the Old and New Covenant. Even though this is off-topic, a word to the wise should be sufficient.
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I agree
 
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OIC1965 said:
I gave several scriptures to John 14:6. And you said you weren’t an open theist. To say that God has limited foreknowledge is open theism.
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I haven't said anything about ' limited knowledge ' ect . I'm bound by what is revealed in the scriptures ,and trying to avoid speculation and assumptions.
 
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OIC1965 said:
That’s what elect means in 1 Peter 1:2 also?
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If its Israel, Jews, individuals, whoever is being addressed its not ' to salvation ' ,but to service and purpose . I don't see anywhere that elect means ' to be converted'
 
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OIC1965 said:
Yes. God God could see the future before the fpundation of the world, just as He can now. If He couldn’t, that would amount to Him learning new things and increasing in knowledge.

Does God increase in knowledge? That would imply imperfection in knowledge. Which is open theism

So you are correct. God foreknew all things from eternity past.
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I don't think we have a scripture which says that . It says God chose to predestine those in Christ to the future adoption. Rom 8 .23 . I see Jesus as the elect, preexisting one before the foundation of the world . He was there . God purposed that those in Christ would recieve all spiritual blessings in him .
 
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OIC1965 said:
Yes. God God could see the future before the fpundation of the world, just as He can now. If He couldn’t, that would amount to Him learning new things and increasing in knowledge.

Does God increase in knowledge? That would imply imperfection in knowledge. Which is open theism

So you are correct. God foreknew all things from eternity past.
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God does not need to doubt the plan . Jesus would not fail . The Holy Spirit did not fail . Millions of People believe . As God planned would happen . People would believe.
 
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OIC1965 said:
Yes. God God could see the future before the fpundation of the world, just as He can now. If He couldn’t, that would amount to Him learning new things and increasing in knowledge.

Does God increase in knowledge? That would imply imperfection in knowledge. Which is open theism

So you are correct. God foreknew all things from eternity past.
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Surely without going into philosophy and speculation, its clear we didn't exist before the foundation. But obviously Jesus did . From this we can see that we need to be born first before we have the option to choose God ?
 
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throughfaith said:
I haven't said anything about ' limited knowledge ' ect . I'm bound by what is revealed in the scriptures ,and trying to avoid speculation and assumptions.
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Isaiah chapters 40-48

Now, if God knows infallibly the future, it follows He knows what He is going to do.

How can God know infallibly what He will do, if He hasn’t chosen/elected to do it yet?
 
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