Did the Church institute Dec 25th to replace Pagan Festivals with a Christian Theme?

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Nov 15, 2020
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I never celebrate it. But my reasons are different. I don't want to do any of the things that people do. I don't like decorating, it is just a lot of unnecessary work.
I don't want to clean it all up afterwards either.
I don't want to spend money on gifts.
I don't want to eat traditional Christmas foods, I don't like any of it.
I don't like Christmas music.
I just don't get involved in any of it.
I have no problem with other people doing it, and I don't think they are doing anything evil.
I don't want to go to peoples houses and eat just so they will think I am not rude. There are so many expectations that people try to put on you this time of year. Unnecessary tasks and burdens.
I am always glad when it is over.
Yes, I agree
 

Blik

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If we wiped out all the propaganda about Christmas and only had the word of the Lord to go by, we wouldn't know just when Christ was born. The word doesn't tell us that, it as if it isn't very important. What the word tells us is exactly when Christ was born in spirit, when Christ gave His blood for us, when Christ was the first fruits, the first human to have eternal life and sits on the right hand of God the Father.
 

CS1

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If we wiped out all the propaganda about Christmas and only had the word of the Lord to go by, we wouldn't know just when Christ was born. The word doesn't tell us that, it as if it isn't very important. What the word tells us is exactly when Christ was born in spirit, when Christ gave His blood for us, when Christ was the first fruits, the first human to have eternal life and sits on the right hand of God the Father.

Christ was never born in spirit the Spirit of Christ is eternal the word tell us when Jesus was born of flesh by the will of the Holy Spirit.
The Kenosis of the Spirit of Christ in the incarnation as Jesus the God-man.
 
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SophieT

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God never suggested we celebrate the birth of the human form of Jesus, the big celebration of Jesus was to be celebrating the eternal Jesus with Passover. The fall feasts are to celebrate the future return of Jesus.

Well the angels seemed to think the birth of God's Son was something to celebrate.

8And there were shepherds residing in the fields nearby, keeping watch over their flocks by night. 9Just then an angel of the Lord stood before them, and the glory of the Lord shone around them, and they were terrified. 10But the angel said to them, “Do not be afraid! For behold, I bring you good news of great joy that will be for all the people: 11Today in the city of David a Savior has been born to you. He is Christ the Lord! 12And this will be a sign to you: You will find a baby wrapped in swaddling cloths and lying in a manger.”

13And suddenly there appeared with the angel a great multitude of the heavenly host, praising God and saying:

14“Glory to God in the highest,

and on earth peace to men

on whom His favor rests!” Luke 2

and the word gospel means good news. Passover is over. Jesus instituted the meal wherein He said 'this do in remembrance of Me'
 
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Has anyone noticed that some non believers only go to church when it's Christmas ?
Yes, and what should we do about that? Look down our noses at them because they only go to church once or twice a year? Or perhaps plan on making it an evangelistic event to reach them with the Gospel so that they will be translated into the Kingdom of God and become part of the true church. It is good to use Christmas for a reason to invite people.
 
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Yes, and what should we do about that? Look down our noses at them because they only go to church once or twice a year? Or perhaps plan on making it an evangelistic event to reach them with the Gospel so that they will be translated into the Kingdom of God and become part of the true church. It is good to use Christmas for a reason to invite people.
There are 51 other weeks they can attend, correct ?
 
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There are 51 other weeks they can attend, correct ?
The Christmas and Easter attenders?

If you use Christmas and Easter as an excuse to invite people that only come that time of year they are likely to say yes and come with your correct? If they get saved and filled with the Spirit then they will come the other weeks won't they?

If having a Christmas play with kids will get the kids extended family members to come watch them, you have an evangelistic event. Include a Holy Spirit empowered revival preacher with the play and see what happens.
 
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The Christmas and Easter attenders?

If you use Christmas and Easter as an excuse to invite people that only come that time of year they are likely to say yes and come with your correct? If they get saved and filled with the Spirit then they will come the other weeks won't they?

If having a Christmas play with kids will get the kids extended family members to come watch them, you have an evangelistic event. Include a Holy Spirit empowered revival preacher with the play and see what happens.
Why do we use Xmas and easter as an excuse ?
 

SoulWeaver

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Easter comes from the German word Oester which means rising sun, it's not related to Ishtar in any way.
I am not some big religious holiday celebrator, I use these dates to reflect on these events in the Bible.
But it's hilarious how God patented ALLLLL these symbols for Himself, in advance. The pagans were not the first, and they can only sit down and cry, nothing is theirs ALL of it is God's... I think it's funny, really :LOL::ROFL::ROFL::ROFL:
Since you brought up Easter and the sun, I just have to:

Malachi 4:2 But unto you that fear my name shall the Sun of righteousness arise with healing in his wings;...
🌤️🦅

As for the Christmas tree...
A lot of criers against Christmas don't even know what evergreen tree is, in the Bible. It's the righteous.
I love how even the star is above the tree :D just like above Jesus... And also gifts are there...

Psalms 1:3 And he [the righteous] shall be like a tree planted by the rivers of water, that bringeth forth his fruit in his season;
his leaf also shall not wither; and whatsoever he doeth shall prosper.
Ephesians 4:8 ...he led captivity captive, and gave gifts unto men.

- 🌟-
🌲
🎁🎀🎁
📦🎁🎁🎁

And just like that, God confiscated it all from the losing team, once again. BAM! 💣🧨💥💥💥
 
Nov 15, 2020
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I am not some big religious holiday celebrator, I use these dates to reflect on these events in the Bible.
But it's hilarious how God patented ALLLLL these symbols for Himself, in advance. The pagans were not the first, and they can only sit down and cry, nothing is theirs ALL of it is God's... I think it's funny, really :LOL::ROFL::ROFL::ROFL:
Since you brought up Easter and the sun, I just have to:

Malachi 4:2 But unto you that fear my name shall the Sun of righteousness arise with healing in his wings;...
🌤️🦅

As for the Christmas tree...
A lot of criers against Christmas don't even know what evergreen tree is, in the Bible.
I love how even the star is above the tree :D just like above Jesus... And also gifts are there...

Psalms 1:3 And he [the righteous] shall be like a tree planted by the rivers of water, that bringeth forth his fruit in his season;
his leaf also shall not wither; and whatsoever he doeth shall prosper.
Ephesians 4:8 ...he led captivity captive, and gave gifts unto men.

- 🌟-
🌲
🎁🎀🎁
📦🎁🎁🎁

And just like that, God confiscated it all, once again. BAM! 💣🧨💥💥💥
Do you think I don't know about Ishtar or oester ?
 
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Why do we use Xmas and easter as an excuse ?
Any excuse to invite someone to church will do. Think of some others that might cause a once a year type to say yes to your invite.

You could try Passover if they are Jewish. I've never tried that, but maybe it will work. Plan communion on the Jewish Passover day and if you can get a Jew to come, you can explain communion to him when he tells you "this is not the kind of Passover I was expecting"

Brainstorming here.. work with me. :p
 
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Scribe

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Do you think I don't know about Ishtar or oester ?
Probably not historical facts, but what people pass around as facts. That has been the usual trend. Which is why I started this thread.
 
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Well the angels seemed to think the birth of God's Son was something to celebrate.
Thank you, @SophieT. That was perfectly stated. I couldn't agree more. Merry Christmas, kiddo. I hope you have a great celebration of our Savior. He's worth celebrating!
 

Blik

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Christ was never born in spirit the Spirit of Christ is eternal the word tell us when Jesus was born of flesh by the will of the Holy Spirit.
The Kenosis of the Spirit of Christ in the incarnation as Jesus the God-man.
Scripture tells us in 1 Peter 3:18 1 Peter 3:18 He was put to death in the body but made alive in the Spirit.
 

Blik

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Oh yeah? What about the Star and the magi from the east? Got Ya! :cool:(y)
The magi were pagans who God used to affirm that Jesus was to be God, they had absolutely nothing to do with establishing a celebration.