Are the Earliest Manuscripts the Best?

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Yet (some?) other language translations are perfectly preserved?
I'm sure he did, English speakers aren't special. I don't know any other languages so I can't comment on which ones it might be. Also Magenta inerrancy is only one in a list of reasons why I believe the KJV is the inspired word of God.
 

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I'm sure he did, English speakers aren't special. I don't know any other languages so I can't comment on which ones it might be. Also Magenta inerrancy is only one in a list of reasons why I believe the KJV is the inspired word of God.
Inerrancy is believed to be present in other English translations also, though not by KV-onlyists.

The Wicked Bible, sometimes called the Adulterous Bible or the Sinners' Bible, is an edition of the Bible published in 1631 by Robert Barker and Martin Lucas, the royal printers in London, meant to be a reprint of the King James Bible. It was not inerrant ;)
 
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Inerrancy is believed to be present in other English translations also, though not by KV-onlyists.

The Wicked Bible, sometimes called the Adulterous Bible or the Sinners' Bible, is an edition of the Bible published in 1631 by Robert Barker and Martin Lucas, the royal printers in London, meant to be a reprint of the King James Bible. It was not inerrant ;)
How can all bibles be inerrant when they disagree with one another?
 
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How can you say God's Word is perfectly preserved in other languages if you have not read them?
I just believe it because that's character of God, I have no way of proving one way or the other.... that's why I only argue inerrancy in the KJV. :)
 

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Take it from one who reads in several languages, our dear Lord has made certain they all do say the same, although they all have mistranslations, they are more than recctified in further reading.

Bottom line, all give the same message with prayer and tolerance.
 
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All bible version are not equal and this is a prime example.

Daniel 12:2
King James Version

2 And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.


Daniel 12:2
New American Standard Bible

2 And many of those who sleep in the dust of the ground will awake, these to everlasting life, but the others to disgrace and everlasting [a]contempt.

In the KJV many that sleep in the ground shall awake. Of those that awake, some of them will be raised to eternal life and some to everlasting contempt.

In the NASB many that sleep in the ground shall awake. And those that awake will be raised to everlasting life but the others who didn't awake, they will be will be raised at ANOTHER TIME to everlasting contempt.

Two COMPLETELY DIFFERENT messages. Which one is right?
 

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Because your cult bases its entire beleif on a couple of cherry picked verses and a revision of English Bible translations is needed to be manipulated to fit these verses. Fact is dozens of languages can also fit in to the refined 7 times.

Your cult would also like to see all other translations and Bibles prior to 1611 and after destroyed. That is the cult, use only our official material and everything else is from Satan.

God never planned to have an inerrant Bible, this leads to many more problems, the Muslims have the Koran, which is an original, but of course how do they know its an original, how do they know that this "original" has not been tampered with?

With the prolific copying and distribution of Gods Word and the Bible accross the thousands of years We can see that the word has been preserved, it is the message that counts. IF God wanted an Original Bible, then we would have it, and further it would have been created in the first century and we would all know about it, not 1500 years later in archaic English.
can you please provide me the name of this cult? I would like to look into this midset

Thank you
 

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Muslims have the Koran, which is an original, but of course how do they know
its an original, how do they know that this "original" has not been tampered with?
There are no originals of the Koran, since they were all burned to eliminate discrepancies.

It is something Muslims have come here and lied about, though.

Muslims are explicitly instructed to lie for the cause of the spread of Islam.
 

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If you've made up in your mind that God is incapable of preserving his word or chose not to preserve his word for all languages, then this video is not for you. However if you're on the fence about this issue then watch this video.

Manuscript discussion starts at about the 60 minute mark.




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Ok I got it your a KJV only guy
 

JaumeJ

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It is not mete to dispute over words when understanding is availed by God.
 
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What I would like to know is how can anyone expect to understand the resurrection when different bibles teach different resurrections?
Ok I got it your a KJV only guy
Yes I am.
 
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It is not mete to dispute over words when understanding is availed by God.
What has God revealed to you about the resurrection? Is the KJV resurrection the correct one or is the NASB resurrection the correct one?
 

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What I would like to know is how can anyone expect to understand the resurrection when different bibles teach different resurrections?

Yes I am.
Ok I am not :)
 

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If you've made up in your mind that God is incapable of preserving his word or chose not to preserve his word for all languages, then this video is not for you. However if you're on the fence about this issue then watch this video.

Manuscript discussion starts at about the 60 minute mark.




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The issue I I have with this Pastor Mike is he spent so much time attacking even people who call friends. Then set the stage for what was to be and KJV's only position not really addressing Manuscripts but more translations of the bible other than the KJV. Which I found odd because the Textus receptus which all from the Tyndale bible 1534 to the KJV 1611 were from the Latin Vulgate translated into English.

from 1534 to 1611 between that were the following Bible:

  • Coverdale Bible 1535
  • Matthew's Bible 1537
  • The Great bible 1539
  • The Geneva Bible 1560
  • Bishop Bible 1568
  • the KJV 1611
Those men who wrote what is known as the Textus Receptus must be studied:

  • Desiderius Erasmus 1516-1535 Catholic Priest
  • Robert Estienne known as Stephanus 1546-1551 support many of Calvin's writings
  • Theodore Beza 1519-1605 a disciple of John Calvin
 
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How can you say God's Word is perfectly preserved in other languages if you have not read them?
I am still trying to figure out how any bible, written in a flawed language which can not stand up to the perfections and intricacies of the Greek or even Hebrew language, can be deemed as flawless.

it is impossible to make a word for word interpretation of anything from one language to the next, if the language in which it is being translated from is far superior to a language it is being translated to. In order to make a more accurate translation, you would have to translate words which are more complex, or have rules which are NT found in the new language in phrases, because the new language does not have a word which can adequately or precisely interpret the word, hence pin order to have a word for word translation you would by defenition have a flawed translation

of course, if you have people breaking the word into phrases, you do not have a word for word bible, which leads to other issues, and would come under slack because it is not a word for word but a person’s interpretations of what he thinks the word says, which in the KJV only cults view, would make it no better than the NIV or NASB,
 

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Not necessarily. You have to remember that even the earliest MS we have extant are copies, some of the several generation copies.
The earlier the copies are, the closer they are to what was originally told us of God. Anything that man has added takes from God, including Gnosticism that Paul addresses. The additions started that early.

The dead sea scrolls are the oldest copies of scripture found and many translations we have today have adjusted their scripture, making note of the adjustments, to comply with these scrolls.
 

Blik

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Yes GOd has preserved his word due to the prolific copying and translating by countless people over the thousands of years. The King James is not the perfect preserved word.
If we read the KJV as the perfect word, we accept the prevailing thought about the Jews at the time it was written. They were murdering them in Spain, and nothing was done to stop it. As a reflection of this, the word Passover in the KJV was translated as Easter. That word was not from the Lord, it was created by men.

Every translation is a translation of the original language done by men. They tried their best to translate the KJV well, and the KJV reflects that, it is wonderful. But no man is perfect, only God.
 

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All bible version are not equal and this is a prime example.

Daniel 12:2
King James Version

2 And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.


Daniel 12:2
New American Standard Bible

2 And many of those who sleep in the dust of the ground will awake, these to everlasting life, but the others to disgrace and everlasting [a]contempt.

In the KJV many that sleep in the ground shall awake. Of those that awake, some of them will be raised to eternal life and some to everlasting contempt.

In the NASB many that sleep in the ground shall awake. And those that awake will be raised to everlasting life but the others who didn't awake, they will be will be raised at ANOTHER TIME to everlasting contempt.

Two COMPLETELY DIFFERENT messages. Which one is right?
They both read the same to me?
How does NASB say another time?
 

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If you've made up in your mind that God is incapable of preserving his word or chose not to preserve his word for all languages, then this video is not for you. However if you're on the fence about this issue then watch this video.

Manuscript discussion starts at about the 60 minute mark.




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I think if we pray a lot and have a real desire to Learn his word and seek it prayerfully , and importantly for a lot
Of us humbly , not thinking we know better but looking to learn from the master

then I think it’s not as important which particular version or language because God is able to Communicate his word to those who are seeking him in Christ’s name in the world.

Mostly the scriptures from different versions carry the relative same message , I believe in Gods power to reach us when we’re reaching for him if we ask we will receive and wisdom is only a humble request away

If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God, that giveth to all men liberally, and upbraideth not; and it shall be given him.

But let him ask in faith, nothing wavering. For he that wavereth is like a wave of the sea driven with the wind and tossed.

For let not that man think that he shall receive any thing of the Lord.”
‭‭James‬ ‭1:5-7‬ ‭KJV‬‬

to have faith we need to hear and believe his word

“So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭10:

we can’t ask for wisdom unless we hear the word saying “ ask for wisdom if you lack it and God will give it liberally “ and we won’t ask if we don’t believe what we have heard .

everything is by faith and faith is always based upon his word salvation is about hearing and believing I think the details are important but also I don’t feel like mans mistakes or even mans plots are able to keep Gods word , from believers so any bible someone is reading carries the message of salvation I believe

besides people talke different. Use different words understand different phrases so
Maybe it’s good there’s a few different versions and wordings just my two cents or at least cent and a half