Survey Poll: Will you take the Covid 19 Vaccine

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Will you take the Covid 19 Vaccine if it is considered safe and effective?

  • Yes

    Votes: 35 21.7%
  • Never

    Votes: 98 60.9%
  • I will wait a year or more to see what happens with people who take it.

    Votes: 28 17.4%

  • Total voters
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Because if taken it may save 290 million from death by COVID19 in the USA this next year as a result. Who wants treatment when they can be immune instead. Is this really that complicated?
I pulled a Biden. LOL. I meant 290 thousand.
 
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Who wants to risk SERIOUS side affects or death from an experimental vaccine for an illness that has 95-99 percent recovery rate. Put that muzzle on your face and go back to sleep lol.
Saving the 5% who would die in 2021 as we have data from 2020 that suggest that they will, is the reason I am happy about the vaccine.
If 290,000 people live next year instead of dying as they did this year won't that be good news to you?

There are no serious side affects. Why resort to lying to scare people just because you can't present a plausible reason to refuse the vaccine with facts and logic.
Maybe you are the one that needs to retire from the debate. :)
 
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Saving the 5% who would die in 2021 as we have data from 2020 that suggest that they will, is the reason I am happy about the vaccine.
If 290,000 people live next year instead of dying as they did this year won't that be good news to you?

There are no serious side affects. Why resort to lying to scare people just because you can't present a plausible reason to refuse the vaccine with facts and logic.
Maybe you are the one that needs to retire from the debate. :)
Do you even realize that life as we know it is coming to an end?
 

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Why is it so hard to believe that the American Government wants to save lives and stamp out COVID-19?

This is a Great and Historical Success you are witnessing in your own lifetime, a vaccine to defeat this crisis brought forth in a year, a major success story that will go down in history as an example of How America won the COVID 19 War of 2020.

By concentrating efforts to remove bottlenecks to the vaccine development, testing, and manufacturing processes.

This is an historical event as great as our efforts to band together to defeat the evil Axis powers in WW2. This time we were attacked by a virus and we focused all of our best experts on fighting the war head on with a vaccine to wipe it out. Money would be no object, we would spend what ever it took, and also remove unnecessary delays in the process of vaccine development, testing and approvals as it has been bogged down with unnecessary delays for decades.

We even poured money into manufacturing plants before the vaccines were even successful knowing that it might be a complete waste of money but knowing that one of them might be successful and we would not lose time building manufacturing plants but have the already producing even while 3rd phase testing was going on. Knowing that we might have to throw the whole batch out if they found a problem in 3rd phase testing. MONEY was never the object. Saving lives of Americans was and is the goal.

Why does every GREAT AMERICAN SUCCESS story have to be turned into a negative spin and conspiracy theory. If you people believe your government is that evil you SHOULD ALL MOVE. Leave it to us Patriots who believe in the integrity and GOOD WILL of our people and our Nation. We will defeat the virus for you and you can complain from afar.

AMERICA IS GREAT AGAIN!!!
Here's another idol, Patriotism. lol If they cared about saving lives then why didn't they use hydroxychloroquine, which as been around for a while. That has been proven to be quite effective hasn't it? Or has the mainstream media told you otherwise? Vaccines and pharmaceuticals are a money making scam. Of course it's free, but I bet you the top players are going to make money and at the same time destroy our genetic makeup. Shoot, even telling the citizens to go out in the sun would have proven more effective to be honest.
 
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Here's another idol, Patriotism. lol If they cared about saving lives then why didn't they use hydroxychloroquine, which as been around for a while. That has been proven to be quite effective hasn't it? Or has the mainstream media told you otherwise? Vaccines and pharmaceuticals are a money making scam. Of course it's free, but I bet you the top players are going to make money and at the same time destroy our genetic makeup. Shoot, even telling the citizens to go out in the sun would have proven more effective to be honest.
You do know that when Trump went to the hospital with COVID they gave Trump a combination of treatment drugs to boost immunity that did not include HCQ didn't you?

The HCQ issue has been thoroughly documented as possibly helping a small number of critically ill patients but nothing to bank on. LOTS of data was analyzed from using it and it just did nothing significant if anything at all.

This data has continued to be collected and analyzed over the past several months and people quit arguing about it because now we know that there is enough data to prove that it is not doing much for anyone.

Of the people who get it, the same amount recover as those who don't. No one is even pushing it from among the conspiracy theorists anymore. You are late to the party and reading old information.

There was a time a few months back when based on the Henry Ford medical study we were hoping it might save half the people who were critically ill from dying but except for one study that hinted at that there were no such results across the country over the last few months putting that hopeful theory to bed. Now we don't even hear anyone touting HCQ.

The medication they gave Trump seems to be the one that is in the limelight now but these medications will help one person and not the next. Not everyone that gets it responds the same.

The Vaccine is 95% effective and we can expect most people to win the war on the virus if vaccinated not just half, most of them. Sounds better than a treatment that may or may not help.

I will be here when you need me sounding the voice of reason. :)
 

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You do know that when Trump went to the hospital with COVID they gave Trump a combination of treatment drugs to boost immunity that did not include HCQ didn't you?

The HCQ issue has been thoroughly documented as possibly helping a small number of critically ill patients but nothing to bank on. LOTS of data was analyzed from using it and it just did nothing significant if anything at all.

This data has continued to be collected and analyzed over the past several months and people quit arguing about it because now we know that there is enough data to prove that it is not doing much for anyone.

Of the people who get it, the same amount recover as those who don't. No one is even pushing it from among the conspiracy theorists anymore. You are late to the party and reading old information.

There was a time a few months back when based on the Henry Ford medical study we were hoping it might save half the people who were critically ill from dying but except for one study that hinted at that there were no such results across the country over the last few months putting that hopeful theory to bed. Now we don't even hear anyone touting HCQ.

The medication they gave Trump seems to be the one that is in the limelight now but these medications will help one person and not the next. Not everyone that gets it responds the same.

The Vaccine is 95% effective and we can expect most people to win the war on the virus if vaccinated not just half, most of them. Sounds better than a treatment that may or may not help.

I will be here when you need me sounding the voice of reason. :)
Voice of reason, or voice of deception? Hope not the latter. The vaccine is 95% effective. Something that has never been developed and used over a certain amount of time to prove its effectiveness without side effects, right? What are the long term effects?

It’s funny when you call a biblical diet magic, then hopeful in a man made drug.
 
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Voice of reason, or voice of deception? Hope not the latter. The vaccine is 95% effective. Something that has never been developed and used over a certain amount of time to prove its effectiveness without side effects, right? What are the long term effects?

It’s funny when you call a biblical diet magic, then hopeful in a man made drug.
It was tested on 40,000 people. You can ignore that if you like but I find no plausible reason to do so.

You can believe that the dietary laws are a guide for superior nutrition and health if you like but I do not think that is good hermeneutics (interpretation) of the purpose of the laws. I don't think God was saying that if you eat Kosher you won't get COVID 19 or die from it. So yes I will take the vaccine over eating Kosher and I believe God would say "very wise of you my son"
 

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It was tested on 40,000 people. You can ignore that if you like but I find no plausible reason to do so.

You can believe that the dietary laws are a guide for superior nutrition and health if you like but I do not think that is good hermeneutics (interpretation) of the purpose of the laws. I don't think God was saying that if you eat Kosher you won't get COVID 19 or die from it. So yes I will take the vaccine over eating Kosher and I believe God would say "very wise of you my son"
Well once again I’m not a big drug or pharmaceutical guy. Haven’t felt the need to take it. Haven’t had a shot in years and haven’t been sick. Thank God

Mmm, I would question that self perceived wisdom. I would take it as simply rejecting His guidelines, following His commands, and not believing in that He is the healer and deliver of diseases. Once again, it’s not just symbolic. It’s history that the Jewish people wouldn’t catch plagues because they adhered to His guidelines.

I also would think it’s ignorant to deny the capabilities of an already built in immune system that creates its own antibodies, which it is proven that proper nutrition boosts. Not synthetically.

Just hope the best for ya! Keep me posted on how you feel and I would like to know of your experience. So far, by the Grace of God, haven’t felt anything yet. Also don’t wear my mask everywhere I go. ;)
 
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Well once again I’m not a big drug or pharmaceutical guy. Haven’t felt the need to take it. Haven’t had a shot in years and haven’t been sick. Thank God

Mmm, I would question that self perceived wisdom. I would take it as simply rejecting His guidelines, following His commands, and not believing in that He is the healer and deliver of diseases. Once again, it’s not just symbolic. It’s history that the Jewish people wouldn’t catch plagues because they adhered to His guidelines.

I also would think it’s ignorant to deny the capabilities of an already built in immune system that creates its own antibodies, which it is proven that proper nutrition boosts. Not synthetically.

Just hope the best for ya! Keep me posted on how you feel and I would like to know of your experience. So far, by the Grace of God, haven’t felt anything yet. Also don’t wear my mask everywhere I go. ;)
Your own immune system being good enough did not work out so well for 16 million world wide. I am going to get a little help for my immune system with the God given knowledge of vaccines. And I think that is wise. But wisdom is justified of her children.
 

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Your own immune system being good enough did not work out so well for 16 million world wide. I am going to get a little help for my immune system with the God given knowledge of vaccines. And I think that is wise. But wisdom is justified of her children.
That’s if it was solely COVID that was the cause of death without any preexisting conditions. There have been a falsification of records that COVID was the sole cause. There’s also a big payoff if listed as such.

Dad personally talked to a family who’s daughter owned her own clinics and realized that the data didn’t match up. There’s doctors all around the world that are speaking out against this, except the mainstream doesn’t broadcast that, do they? In fact, those with an alternative result are being censored or treated as if their expertise doesn’t matter.
 
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That’s if it was solely COVID that was the cause of death without any preexisting conditions. There have been a falsification of records that COVID was the sole cause. There’s also a big payoff if listed as such.

Dad personally talked to a family who’s daughter owned her own clinics and realized that the data didn’t match up.
I believe the numbers coming from the database here:
https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6
 

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Your own immune system being good enough did not work out so well for 16 million world wide. I am going to get a little help for my immune system with the God given knowledge of vaccines. And I think that is wise. But wisdom is justified of her children.
Looks like a lot! Still rather allow things to take its course through herd immunity, instead of injecting a synthetic mRNA, which could have the potential of messing with the system. Yes, of course we can be assured that it won’t happen by the main stream. The fact is we don’t know the long term effects, and if it has the potential to rewrite our basic genetic function naturally, which doctors have been warning is about.
 

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The whole point of our immune system is to take in the virus in fragments and allow it to write its own code to adapt, naturally. That’s literally how our immune system works. Otherwise we wouldn’t be alive right now anyway. Also, God’s creation is sufficient enough to boost our immunity. Good nutrition, vitamins and minerals, herbs. Don’t know why they don’t promote that, but instead promote a quick fix. How about promoting a healthy lifestyle, instead of fast foods, alcohol, and drugs? Is it money? I think so. We are made into consumers and they have been doing a good job at manipulating us by appealing to the flesh. They’ve mastered it!
 
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The whole point of our immune system is to take in the virus in fragments and allow it to write its own code to adapt, naturally. That’s literally how our immune system works. Otherwise we wouldn’t be alive right now anyway. Also, God’s creation is sufficient enough to boost our immunity. Good nutrition, vitamins and minerals, herbs. Don’t know why they don’t promote that, but instead promote a quick fix. How about promoting a healthy lifestyle, instead of fast foods, alcohol, and drugs? Is it money? I think so. We are made into consumers and they have been doing a good job at manipulating us by appealing to the flesh. They’ve mastered it!
We are fortunate this one was not one of the viruses that has a 90% mortality rate. People would not be talking about eating more broccoli then, they would be Praising God for a vaccine discovery with a 95% success rate. You don't appreciate this vaccine because not enough people are dying.

Telling people that if they eat right and exercise they will not get a virus that our immune system can't defeat isn't true. It would be lying. Don't be that guy. :)
 

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Our scripture repeated teaches that illness is the attack of the enemy and it is the vary nature of who Jesus is that we be well, whole and live in such a way the evil one can touch us not.
That He allows medicine is from His grace and love for us for He told us in these times, these last of the last days that most would hold to an outward form of godliness, denying the power thereof, however His Own would do greater works than He, and we know He never sent anyone to a Dr., the few times it mentioned where He could only heal a few was from they're unbelief, and since we know He is the same, yesterday, today and forever, that must be in effect today.
His command to His disciples was the heal, cleanse, raise, preach. We have strayed from what He taught to where the best anyone has been used of God to carry His healing power to His own has been about 70%.
Jehovah Rapha, the God who heals, is one of his names.
I hope this vaccine is genuine and not a tool of the adversary, but it doesn't look good to many who are Spirit filled and born again and walking in personal, vital relationship with the indwelling Christ and trust in Him to do what He said He would do by protecting us from every scheme of the devil, every fiery dart of the enemy as we wear the full armor of God.
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Our scripture repeated teaches that illness is the attack of the enemy and it is the vary nature of who Jesus is that we be well, whole and live in such a way the evil one can touch us not.
That He allows medicine is from His grace and love for us for He told us in these times, these last of the last days that most would hold to an outward form of godliness, denying the power thereof, however His Own would do greater works than He, and we know He never sent anyone to a Dr., the few times it mentioned where He could only heal a few was from they're unbelief, and since we know He is the same, yesterday, today and forever, that must be in effect today.
His command to His disciples was the heal, cleanse, raise, preach. We have strayed from what He taught to where the best anyone has been used of God to carry His healing power to His own has been about 70%.
Jehovah Rapha, the God who heals, is one of his names.
I hope this vaccine is genuine and not a tool of the adversary, but it doesn't look good to many who are Spirit filled and born again and walking in personal, vital relationship with the indwelling Christ and trust in Him to do what He said He would do by protecting us from every scheme of the devil, every fiery dart of the enemy as we wear the full armor of God.
best wishes
Don't go to the dentist. Believe that your teeth will stay healthy. If you get an abscess just pray. In reality those that believe in divine healing do not think it is antithetical to their faith to get a vaccine. Most of them do not feel that way. Your speaking for yourself and those extremist who take things too far as if Paul healed everyone on demand when we know he left Trophimus in Miletus sick. They ignore such verses and preach and extreme interpretation of healing but they will go to the dentist. I guess their faith is weak for teeth.

I don't have an official poll statistics on my denominational members views on the vaccine but I would imagine that it is about the same as any other poll 30% will say no, 20% will wait, and 50% will get it.

The Assemblies of God is the largest pentacostal denomination in the world and they have the strongest teaching that divine healing is available for every believer, but they don't teach that you should not use medicine or see doctors or take vaccines. Therefore it is not true that those who believe in divine healing don't get vaccines or go to the dentist also.

My guess from 40 years of association with the AOG is that the majority of pentacostals would say that they are extremists that would think or teach that vaccines are not trusting God.

So your world view based on your own circle of friends might be that Spirit filled believers who believe in healing are against all vaccines but I don't think that is reality. That may be your own experience but mine is quite the opposite. But like I said, I have not seen a poll specific to AOG members on the Vaccine. There might be one. I will look it up.
 

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The problem is never on His end, it is always down here.
I shared what scripture teaches, you choose to deny it and lean on your own understanding.
we are seeing the separating of His sheep from the goats in this weaponized virus attack on the world just as He said He would.
 
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The problem is never on His end, it is always down here.
I shared what scripture teaches, you choose to deny it and lean on your own understanding.
we are seeing the separating of His sheep from the goats in this weaponized virus attack on the world just as He said He would.
Calling a believer who Thanks God for vaccine one of the goats is actually an example of having fallen into the snare laid by the devil to divide brothers and sisters by thinking ill of them over the vaccine. This is the actual conspiracy of the enemy and we are aware of his devices. And you can look that up in the scriptures. :)
 

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Didn't call anyone a goat, shared what scripture said, if it touched a nerve take it to the Lord.

goodbye