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There were no giants of industry pre flood, but there were giants among the people. Metaphorical giants, the extremely wealthy and powerful.
I would respond but I don't think you believe that the bible is the inspired word of God or that you are serious.
 

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So wealthy that their height was recorded in Scripture as "six cubits and a span".

Now that's rich.
There is a big difference between six cubits and a span which is somewhere around 10 feet tall for Goliath, than a 3000 ell tall giant that would be about 1 mile in height.

Wikipedia: The cubit is an ancient unit of length that had several definitions according to each of the various cultures that used the unit. These definitions typically ranged between 444 and 529.2 mm (17.48 and 20.83 in),
 

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i believe its 1. these angels made people with humans and come giants.
Angels (deamons) seek to possess people because they are not physical Beings, they are influencing spirits in a world of physical humans.

i believe its 1. these angels made people with humans and come giants.
In effect you believe God gave angels (Who scripture says neither marry nor are given in marriage) testosterone?

If so then they had to be deliberately designed to be sexually frustrated for eternity, desiring intercourse but being prohibited.

And, then God needed to have of course deliberately also given angels some kind of genetically-adaptable sperm. ( The type that could successfully impregnate human females and create a cross angelic spirit/physical form super-human if they felt like it?)

And, when they came down and deceived woman or raped them or lured them into cross breeding and creating giant offspring with six toes and fingers - God would then have punished these fallen perverted angels by regretting he had made mankind and going on to wipe out almost the entire human population in a flood. (Only for giants to continue thriving after the flood, such as Og and Goliath.)

It is not biblical or logical. Sorry to be so blunt - but it really would not be very glorifying to God to follow that line of
Thought.
 

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I would respond but I don't think you believe that the bible is the inspired word of God or that you are serious.
The bible is the Word of God. I don't know where you get inspired from. And yes I am very serious about the book of Enoch being part of the Word of God. If it were not, then we would also have to toss out the book of Revelation, as much of what is in the book of Enoch which predates the book of Revelation, can be found in the book of Revelation.
 

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To marry is to join together with. When a demon possesses an individual, there is a joining that has taken place.
 

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would someone like t weigh in on who the " daughters of men " and " sons of God " are in Genesis 6:1-4?
It Depends, are you someone who would like to store up some treasure in heaven? Well, with it came to pass, that when men begin to multiply upon the face of the earth that daughters were born unto them.

However, for those who believe that Genesis 1:26 is referring unto them then it would make about as much sense to weigh in with the truth as it would to be to give medicine to a dead person.

And he said unto them, Ye will surely say unto me this proverb, Physician, heal thyself: Luke 4:23
 
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Angels (deamons) seek to possess people because they are not physical Beings, they are influencing spirits in a world of physical humans.



In effect you believe God gave angels (Who scripture says neither marry nor are given in marriage) testosterone?

If so then they had to be deliberately designed to be sexually frustrated for eternity, desiring intercourse but being prohibited.

And, then God needed to have of course deliberately also given angels some kind of genetically-adaptable sperm. ( The type that could successfully impregnate human females and create a cross angelic spirit/physical form super-human if they felt like it?)

And, when they came down and deceived woman or raped them or lured them into cross breeding and creating giant offspring with six toes and fingers - God would then have punished these fallen perverted angels by regretting he had made mankind and going on to wipe out almost the entire human population in a flood. (Only for giants to continue thriving after the flood, such as Og and Goliath.)

It is not biblical or logical. Sorry to be so blunt - but it really would not be very glorifying to God to follow that line of
Thought.
It also obfuscates the intended message of the pattern of the godly falling away by compromising and marrying with (joining in heart and mind) the ungodly culture and worldliness of the ungodly.

The corruption that is in the world through lust. The Light fellowshipping with Darkness which will turn your light into darkness. The Carl Lentz preachers who say you can join with the world to reach them only to learn what the sons of god should have taught him in Gen 6, you will compromise and be assimilated into their culture if you try to do that.

This message is throughout the scriptures but this message requires an examination of your heart and motives and a no compromise approach to worldliness. The Angel / woman = hybrid giant demon babies does not require any change of heart, either contemplated or actualized, It is a Distraction to the foundational truth of a call to be separate from the world.

The book of Enoch was written by a Jewish/Greek syncretic sect sometime between 200 and 100 BC and was never accepted as authentic but was known to be a pseudonymous (false name) work from the start. The writers could not use their own name or they would be stoned by Jewish law based on the ban on prophets. Just because it is old and that fragments were found in the Dead Sea scrolls does not mean it was accepted as scripture. There were collections of writings in libraries among these groups like the Essenses that were not all considered scripture.

But there will always be those who want to believe it because they find it more interesting to talk about fantastic mythical stories and science fiction for it's entertainment value than to discuss the heart issues of a holy no compromising life that the scriptures are talking about when it reveals a godly community calling upon the name of the Lord/ calling themselves by the name of the Lord, and an ungodly community that has no interest in God, a coming Judge, and who speak harsh words against him. The war that we are still in today.

Which camp are you in?
 

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It also obfuscates the intended message of the pattern of the godly falling away by compromising and marrying with (joining in heart and mind) the ungodly culture and worldliness of the ungodly.

The corruption that is in the world through lust. The Light fellowshipping with Darkness which will turn your light into darkness. The Carl Lentz preachers who say you can join with the world to reach them only to learn what the sons of god should have taught him in Gen 6, you will compromise and be assimilated into their culture if you try to do that.

This message is throughout the scriptures but this message requires an examination of your heart and motives and a no compromise approach to worldliness. The Angel / woman = hybrid giant demon babies does not require any change of heart, either contemplated or actualized, It is a Distraction to the foundational truth of a call to be separate from the world.

The book of Enoch was written by a Jewish/Greek syncretic sect sometime between 200 and 100 BC and was never accepted as authentic but was known to be a pseudonymous (false name) work from the start. The writers could not use their own name or they would be stoned by Jewish law based on the ban on prophets. Just because it is old and that fragments were found in the Dead Sea scrolls does not mean it was accepted as scripture. There were collections of writings in libraries among these groups like the Essenses that were not all considered scripture.

But there will always be those who want to believe it because they find it more interesting to talk about fantastic mythical stories and science fiction for it's entertainment value than to discuss the heart issues of a holy no compromising life that the scriptures are talking about when it reveals a godly community calling upon the name of the Lord/ calling themselves by the name of the Lord, and an ungodly community that has no interest in God, a coming Judge, and who speak harsh words against him. The war that we are still in today.

Which camp are you in?
Specifically me? or the all encompassing "YOU"? :p
 

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would someone like t weigh in on who the " daughters of men " and " sons of God " are in Genesis 6:1-4?
“Which was the son of Enos, which was the son of Seth, which was the son of Adam, which was the son of God.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭3

“This is the book of the generations of Adam. In the day that God created man, in the likeness of God made he him; Male and female created he them; and blessed them, and called their name Adam, in the day when they were created.

And Adam lived an hundred and thirty years, and begat a son in his own likeness, after his image; and called his name Seth:

And Seth lived an hundred and five years, and begat Enos:

And Cainan lived seventy years, and begat Mahalaleel:

And Mahalaleel lived sixty and five years, and begat Jared:

And Jared lived an hundred sixty and two years, and he begat Enoch:

And Enoch lived sixty and five years, and begat Methuselah:

And Methuselah lived an hundred eighty and seven years, and begat Lamech:

And Lamech lived an hundred eighty and two years, and begat a son: And he called his name Noah, saying, This same shall comfort us concerning our work and toil of our hands, because of the ground which the Lord hath cursed.”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭5:1-3, 6, 12, 15, 18, 21, 25, 28-29‬ ‭

the world has always had two groups of people the children of God come from his chosen people. The line of Seth on those days , the line of Cain who was exiled from the people of God because he killed Abel the chosen heir ,his line is the line of man.

so Seth replaces Abel as the line of the sons of God which would eventually lead to Jesus Christ the son of God , to make the church the sins of God like in the beginning when they called upon his name and Gods people had mixed with the secular rebellious people. Which corrupted the people of God as introducing sin into thier lives always does

“And Adam knew his wife again; and she bare a son, and called his name Seth: For God, said she, hath appointed me another seed instead of Abel, whom Cain slew. And to Seth, to him also there was born a son; and he called his name Enos: then began men to call upon the name of the Lord.”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭4:25-26‬ ‭KJV‬

and the gospel offers reconciliation to that relationship And life it brings to
Mankind

“But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:

Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.”
‭‭John‬ ‭1:12-13‬ ‭KJV‬‬

There are still on earth today the sons of God who will live and the children of Men who will die.
 

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Giants in the book of Enoch is in reference to the giants of industry. 3,000 ells is somewhere around 6,000 feet. A mans height averaging somewhere around 6 feet makes a giant in the book of Enoch 1,000 times that of an average individual. This 1,000 X comparison between the titans of industry to an ordinary individual has often used. You just have to understand the metaphors. For another example: In Enoch VII:5 man is described sinning against birds, and beasts, and reptiles, and fish.... Now in times past some understood this to mean having sex with these creatures; and as such seemed ludicrous to be having sex with reptiles and fish, it was one of the reasons why the book of Enoch was removed the Bible. When, however, you take into account that the data in the book of Enoch is for and about the final generation who go through the great tribulation (Enoch I:1-2), then the sinning against the Animalia mentioned can be realized in reference to genetic modification that science is currently undertaking on numerous creatures.
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Garee, you are not authorized to misapply and misrepresent Scripture. The evil angels called "sons of God" in the OT were NOT being led by the Spirit of God. They were under Satan's control. They are called "the angels which kept not their first estate" and "the angels which sinned". They are imprisoned and chained in Tartarus for a reason. And that is found in Genesis 6.

So unless you understand the Bible properly, you will continue to sow spiritual confusion and mislead some. The reason human beings are never called "sons of God" in the OT is because that term is applied only to angels (both good and evil). In the book of Job that term is applied primarily to the holy angels.

Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them. (Job 1:6)

Again there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them to present himself before the LORD. (Job 2:1)

Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding. Who hath laid the measures thereof, if thou knowest? or who hath stretched the line upon it? Whereupon are the foundations thereof fastened? or who laid the corner stone thereof; When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy? (Job 38:4-7)

However, in the New Testament, angels are called angels, and the children of God through the New Birth are called "sons of God".
Why would there be a difference here in Job, morning stars=angels sons of God???
The Angels sang & the sons of God shouted It seems to me they are 2 distinct/different types of creature
 
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Why would there be a difference here in Job, morning stars=angels sons of God???
The Angels sang & the sons of God shouted It seems to me they are 2 distinct/different types of creature
Repetition / parallelism? in the book or Job.
In Gen the context of Gen should be used, specifically chapter 4 which mentions both the beautiful women in Cains camp and those who called themselves the sons of God in Seths camp. So not angels in Gen 6. Probably angels in Job.
 

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For all who are bickering over the nature of the "sons of God" in Genesis 6, please do some homework and check out the work of Dr. Michael S. Heiser.
 

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Repetition / parallelism? in the book or Job.
In Gen the context of Gen should be used, specifically chapter 4 which mentions both the beautiful women in Cains camp and those who called themselves the sons of God in Seths camp. So not angels in Gen 6. Probably angels in Job.
yes and due to the fact Gen 6 context of the son of God used there are men, human men because angels don't make the chapter application without men.
 

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Repetition / parallelism? in the book or Job.
In Gen the context of Gen should be used, specifically chapter 4 which mentions both the beautiful women in Cains camp and those who called themselves the sons of God in Seths camp. So not angels in Gen 6. Probably angels in Job.
In "age" do you think Genesis was written before Job or after it?
 

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In "age" do you think Genesis was written before Job or after it?
does that really matter in the context of Job over what is found in Gen 5&6? Job is known to be the oldest Book of the Bible however, Genesis is the first of FIVE books of the law, Job is not. Older doesn't make it more authoritative.