TONGUES false teaching.

He's correct. People that believe in this nonsense get very upset and angry when others question the practice. Some even go so far as to insinuate one isn't a Christian if they say the modern tongues is just nonsensical babbling that does not come from God. AT least we aren't saying the tongue talkers aren't Christians. We think they are mistaken and in some more rare cases intentionally faking to draw attention to themselves and impress others. I think that's a minority in the churches but it is happening. Even in this thread it has been admitted that much fakery is happening. I think accidental faking is also happening out of ignorance. While well meaning, it is a bad thing to be a part of.

Try reading the verse more closely. It is Paul's mind that is "unfruitful" in that case, not his spirit. In other words, his spirit is actively praying but his mind is not actively praying. You're twisting it to claim that the Holy Spirit is not involved at all.

I don't doubt someone is a Christian if they don't believe that the gift of tongues are for the church today. I think they are needing to study the bible more.

I don't even question whether someone is a Christian if they have fallen into a porn addiction. I just think they need to repent and turn from it before they wake up in hell with eternal regret.

There is however such a thing as inventing an interpretation that is not to be found in 100 commentaries that should be obvious that it is not the correct interpretation and yet held on to in a belligerence that can only be due to intellectual dishonesty.

I think you are willfully refusing to accept the authorial intent of 1 Cor 14:14. It is not hard. You are trying to make it hard to understand but it is not hard to understand.
Your responses are too weird so I am thinking you are not ever going to be intellectually honest and I am bowing out of the conversation. You oppose yourself. And I think you know that you are doing it.

The correct word in 1 Corth. 13:10 for "PERFECT" is COMPLETE.

The written Word of God is the COMPLETED BIBLE!

Have you ever been in one at all???

Not so. The people in those videos are actually the ones who are proving my point!

Was there any interpreation taking place as told to in the Bible.

Were there women speaking in tongues as prohibited by the Bible???

LOL!~ Oh you know he's upset because you and I have known each for a long time? LOL!

It seems you cannot directly address people who have a different view than you anymore than he can. You are offering 'some' or what you say they might insinuate and then mention babbling and defend that mess with saying you are not as bad in your accusations as those who speak in tongues. Only you do not have even a passing acquaintance with me, so kindly do not think you can represent me.

Of course fakery is happening. Do you also understand how many Sunday Christians are going to church now and then?

It is a bad thing to be a part of just ignoring what is taught in scripture.

Really, you have an argument from fallacy and a few other notable excuses going on.

I take it you mean a Pentecostal church. However I am guessing since you could mean a barn, Walmart's, court, any number of things since you have left out what it is you are talking about.

So if you mean a Pentecostal church, yes I have been in one. or 2 or 3 or 4 or more.

I personally have a strong feeling that you are being convicted by the conversation and you are now beginning to realize that what you are doing is not actually Biblical at all.

It is also very telling on your part that you do not confront and speak to the many Scriptures that have been posted which speak against speaking in tongues.

Actually the context of your question came from YOU. I appreciate your atttempt at humor though.
Because I added them my friend hence the parenthesis. TONGUES is the "Context" of the whole chapter.

I don't live on here so I will not be jumping on every post you might insert to respond to me.

There were women speaking in tongues right when the Holy Spirit first descended. There were women in the upper room and the passage clearly states that ALL in the room began to speak in tongues. There goes your theory of all tongues needing to be interpreted right there.

The Bible does not forbid women to speak in church.

Yours is some of the worst exegesis I have come across in recent months.

The rest of your posts will have to wait.

What is obvious is that when confronted with error...those guility ALWAYS resort to personal comments instead of addressing the Scriptures.

Why do you think that is?????

Yes, personal insults are quite common.

! Corinthians 14:34 does not agree with you........
"the women should keep silent in the churches. For they are not permitted to speak, but should be in submission, as the Law also says. "

Since that whole chapter's CONTEXT is the misuse of tongues in the Church in Corinth, and then Paul says...."You woem are to keep silent in church for you are not permitted to speak".

If he is NOT speaking about the CONTEXT then WHAT DO YOU SAY HE IS TALKING ABUT.

Now instead of telling me what I did.....why don't YOU do the exegesis on that verse.

oooo 7 posts. I hope you don't get whiplash.

I am sure all of your objections have been addressed, but like I said maybe later.

I doo not live here either but it seems every time I look at the forum YOU have posted something to me.

Now then......what translation are you reading where it says that "WOMEN in the upper room were speaking in tongues"??????

When you actually read the Scriptures please Notice it doesn't say anything about the "women" from which many Christians believe women also were speaking in tongues.

This is another perfect example of YOU wanting to believe something and then YOU READ INTO the Scriptures what YOU want them to say.

Now THAT my dear friend is what is called "Poor Exegesis"!

So in plain English.......You do not know!

All your scriptures were interpreted but you held fast to your bad hermeneutics. You lost the debate but don't know how to concede.

It's over. The completed canon view is no longer presented by theologians who believe that tongues have faded. They use other arguments because they long ago conceded "that which is perfect is come" is not referring to canon of scripture.

You have not conceded this yet and don't realize that this view was tossed by Theologians that once held it. It is no longer taught in seminaries. It cannot be supported in an academic debate. You're just going to have to keep reading until you learn about this on your own.

I presented an entire Doctoral thesis on it. http://frankviola.org/theperfect.pdf

You are the one that has not confronted the overwhelming proof that the history of the interpretation of 1 Cor 13 has concluded that it is not talking about the canon of scripture but rather the state of perfection post resurrection in eternity or when we have obtained that state which Paul said he said he followed after not to be obtained in this life. the eschaton. You are just being beligerant by saying I have not confronted it.
What you need to say is that you have read and rejected every interpretation and the reasons for the interpretation and have decided that your canon completion view is a better interpretation. That I can respect. But I don't think you have read this paper and reviewed the reasons why the canon of scripture cannot be the correct interpretation because you don't want to be proven wrong.
http://frankviola.org/theperfect.pdf
So there is nothing else to say. Good luck with that.

I am being convicted by the Holy Spirit to not argue with people on the internet, especially about the gift of tongues. It is a waste of time and quickly causes division.