Science and the bible

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Blik

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It is one thing to utilize scientific study to confirm what scripture says. It is another thing altogether to utilize it to deny what scripture says.

Think about it...
Lets apply your reasoning to the discovery that the earth is not a square. Scholars told man that scripture told them of the four corners of the earth so the earth would have to be a square. Science proved the earth was a sphere. If your reasoning is the correct way to reason, that we must not use science to help us understand scripture, then we would have to believe the earth is a square. If we use science to help us with understanding scripture, we see that scripture is telling us the extent of something. That is not saying science is smarter than the Lord, it is telling us the meaning of a scripture passage.
 

soberxp

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It's like God is not almighty,
Paradox of God
Some people said:"God can't draw lines that are parallel and intersect."
Of course, from a theological point of view, God is the Almighty.
From a scientific point of view, a Russian scientist said that "parallel lines can intersect", but it was not confirmed at the time of his death until 12 years after his death
Let's not discuss how this problem is proved.I was thinking about a real science problem,Einstein said that space can be distorted.
Human beings have discovered black holes, and have confirmed the existence of black holes.
A black hole is an infinitely large mass and infinitely small volume.
So when two parallel lines or parallel rays were drawn into the black hole,was it the moment when two parallel lines were parallel and intersect at the same time ? Because space warps around the black hole .

Hope you can understand what I mean .
 

Magenta

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It's like God is not almighty,
Paradox of God
Some people said:"God can't draw lines that are parallel and intersect."
Of course, from a theological point of view, God is the Almighty.
From a scientific point of view, a Russian scientist said that "parallel lines can intersect", but it was not confirmed at the time of his death until 12 years after his death
Let's not discuss how this problem is proved.I was thinking about a real science problem,Einstein said that space can be distorted.
Human beings have discovered black holes, and have confirmed the existence of black holes.
A black hole is an infinitely large mass and infinitely small volume.
So when two parallel lines or parallel rays were drawn into the black hole,was it the moment when two parallel lines were parallel and intersect at the same time ? Because space warps around the black hole .

Hope you can understand what I mean .
It's all Greek to me :giggle::geek::unsure::oops::unsure::geek::giggle:
 

soberxp

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It's all Greek to me:giggle::geek::unsure::oops::unsure::geek::giggle:

Let me say a simple one,Science and the bible.

About the tower of Babel,

In the Bible, God doesn't like to see people build the tower of Babel. From a scientific point of view, it's not conducive to agricultural life, and it's not conducive to commercial life. You can't spend all your energy going up and down stairs all day. There were no elevators or running water at that time.

From a practical point of view, God says that if they do the same thing together, nothing can stop them.
This global epidemic(corona 19) is a good example. Take China for example. Almost all Chinese people do the same thing together, wear masks, don't go out, don't work for a long time,then the epidemic is simply under control.

This is the actual situation combined with Scripture.
 

UnoiAmarah

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Second: This doesn't work for those who believe the days were not 24 hours in length.
Then would it work for those who do think the day is 24 hours? Considering what is written in John 11:9
Jesus answered, Are there not twelve hours in the day?

A third thing I just remembered is the gap theory where the first two verses of Gen 1 aren't part of day one.
Since the darkness was upon the face of the deep from the beginning until God saw the light in Genesis 1:4, then when he divided the light then how can not be accounted for as the first day, seeing it is written in Genesis 1:5 that the evening and the morning were the first day? Just putting forth a talking point...
 

soberxp

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Jesus answered, Are there not twelve hours in the day?
In ancient China, twelve hours represented the present twenty-four hours
 

GaryA

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Both.


Science is never incorrect. :) Scientists are sometimes (ofttimes) incorrect. Scientists are also sinners; many with a unified agenda that is not any part of science.

True science & the Bible are in perfect harmony. Always practice science under the authoritative light of the Bible, with the understanding that science is finite in its scope. The miraculous and the divine are beyond its scope.

The Bible's revelation is unilateral and doesn't come about by scientific inquiry.
I understand what you are saying - and, I like the 'sentiment' of it. However, there is such a thing as "bad science" - in which case, the statement "science is never incorrect" cannot be applied truthfully or factually.

And then - there is this:

1 Timothy 6:

20 O Timothy, keep that which is committed to thy trust, avoiding profane and vain babblings, and oppositions of science falsely so called:

This is talking about "false science" - something that is called 'science' - that is not even [real] science - that opposes [real] science.

And, there is a-whole-lotta-that in modern science.

If you consider the definition of the word 'science' - then - there is a big difference between this 'science':

Daniel 1:

4 Children in whom was no blemish, but well favoured, and skilful in all wisdom, and cunning in knowledge, and understanding science, and such as had ability in them to stand in the king's palace, and whom they might teach the learning and the tongue of the Chaldeans.

- and modern science.

I realize that you are making a point about pure/true/real science "always being correct" - and that, some scientists make it unpure/untrue/unreal.

Please be careful in making a statement like "science is never incorrect" without clarifying explicitly which definition of 'science' you are using.

I use the phrase "modern science" for that very reason and purpose - to differentiate it from pure/true/real science. That is to say - "modern science" is part true and part false.

I know that the 'default' definition ought-to-be pure/true/real science. However, in modern times this simply is not true. In the absolute majority of cases, when someone hears/reads the word 'science', it is modern science that is being referred to and that they are thinking of.

Other than this one singular thing regarding that particular phrase, I totally agree with the rest of your post. :)
 

UnoiAmarah

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Didn't know that 12 hours being 24 hours in China,

So were those 12 hours measured @ 15 cubits long?
 

UnoiAmarah

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I know that the 'default' definition ought-to-be pure/true/real science. However, in modern times this simply is not true. In the absolute majority of cases, when someone hears/reads the word 'science', it is modern science that is being referred to and that they are thinking of.
Modern science should be called what it is, Catholic Science. To get funded for research projects, most turn to the Catholic Church which is the largest source for funding, and whether told or just feel obligated they tend to justify what the Catholic sciences hold as being true.
 

GaryA

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1 Timothy 6:

20 O Timothy, keep that which is committed to thy trust, avoiding profane and vain babblings, and oppositions of science falsely so called:

This is talking about "false science" - something that is called 'science' - that is not even [real] science - that opposes [real] science.

And, there is a-whole-lotta-that in modern science.
Modern science should be called what it is, Catholic Science. To get funded for research projects, most turn to the Catholic Church which is the largest source for funding, and whether told or just feel obligated they tend to justify what the Catholic sciences hold as being true.
YEP.
 

Magenta

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Let me say a simple one,Science and the bible.

About the tower of Babel,

In the Bible, God doesn't like to see people build the tower of Babel. From a scientific point of view, it's not conducive to agricultural life, and it's not conducive to commercial life. You can't spend all your energy going up and down stairs all day. There were no elevators or running water at that time.

From a practical point of view, God says that if they do the same thing together, nothing can stop them.
This global epidemic(corona 19) is a good example. Take China for example. Almost all Chinese people do the same thing together, wear masks, don't go out, don't work for a long time,then the epidemic is simply under control.

This is the actual situation combined with Scripture.
The tower of Babel was about men wanting to glorify themselves rather than serve God...

Then they said, "Come, let us build ourselves a city, with a tower that
reaches to the heavens, so that we may make a name for ourselves...
 

soberxp

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The tower of Babel was about men wanting to glorify themselves rather than serve God...

Then they said, "Come, let us build ourselves a city, with a tower that
reaches to the heavens, so that we may make a name for ourselves...
Yes, men want to glorify themselves,a proud look of men, can you go up and down stairs of 666 floors and still work without elevator and toilet and running water?
 

Blik

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Then would it work for those who do think the day is 24 hours? Considering what is written in John 11:9
Jesus answered, Are there not twelve hours in the day?



Since the darkness was upon the face of the deep from the beginning until God saw the light in Genesis 1:4, then when he divided the light then how can not be accounted for as the first day, seeing it is written in Genesis 1:5 that the evening and the morning were the first day? Just putting forth a talking point...
God did not create the sources of light until the fourth day, (sun and moon) On the first day there were no sources of light.

In the ancient Hebrew language, on the first day God created "owr', or enlightenment and on the fourth day God created "maor" or the sun.
 

GaryA

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Lets apply your reasoning to the discovery that the earth is not a square. Scholars told man that scripture told them of the four corners of the earth so the earth would have to be a square. Science proved the earth was a sphere. If your reasoning is the correct way to reason, that we must not use science to help us understand scripture, then we would have to believe the earth is a square. If we use science to help us with understanding scripture, we see that scripture is telling us the extent of something. That is not saying science is smarter than the Lord, it is telling us the meaning of a scripture passage.
No - that is not my reasoning. That is your reasoning and interpretation of my words onto what you have already decided is true.

Here is my reasoning - stated in a way that uses some of your words for reference - so that you may better understand:

Not 'scholars' - but scripture itself - told man about the four corners of the earth.

Since scripture interprets itself, I will believe what scripture says about the earth.

Scholars who are deceived by modern science - and use it to interpret scripture - [will] misinterpret scripture.

Rather than use science to interpret scripture, people should use scripture to interpret science.

Science should never ever ever be used to say "the bible does not say that" - it should only be used to confirm what the bible does say.

Modern 'science', so-called, has declared that the earth is a spinning ball flying through space - but, has actually proven nothing.

My reasoning is correct.

I am pretty sure I did not say that science should not be used to help us to understand scripture. If I did, then I apologize. (Please show me where I said that, and I will do my best to correct it.) I certainly believe that the study of [real] science can be useful in helping us to understand certain things in scripture.

What I know I have said - and still stand by it - is that science should not be used to interpret scripture. There is a difference. And a BIG one at that!

So - let me say again:

It is one thing to utilize scientific study to confirm what scripture says. It is another thing altogether to utilize it to deny what scripture says.

Think about it...
 

UnoiAmarah

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On the first day there were no sources of light.
So you sure about that? Mind answering a couple questions, just to make sure your are not AI....

1. What is the first number you see to the left -------> 2 5 8 Do you 2, or do you see 258 ?

2. Is seven a number or a word?

Take heed therefore that the light which is in thee be not darkness. Luke 11:35
 

HillsboroMom

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How did science come into existence? Is it not through the discovery of natural laws? And who put those natural laws into the universe? Was it not God Himself. There is no conflict between GENUINE science and the Bible.
Amen!