Are WOMEN Pastors Biblical??

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awelight

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Because many of those women believe it would be risking God's displeasure to ban women from ministry of the Word of God.
And we don't understand why others don't see that.

It comes down to interpretation of scripture which is effected by your theological view of God and your relationship with Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit. We wonder how anyone filled with the Holy Spirit would forbid a woman from preaching, and prophesying. Or pastoring if she believed she was following God.

If a woman plants a church and people come and get saved who are you to say that God will be displeased? I think he would be more displeased with your comment than with the woman pastor getting people saved and planting a church where there was none there before.

Use the common sense God gave you. God did not create a rule banning women from preaching the word when men are present and which they are just supposed to obey because he said so. That is not what happened. Your explanation of it should be a red flag that you made a mistake in identifying authorial intent. The Holy Spirit and Paul never said that.

You would have God displeased with a female planting a church in a place where one was needed and getting people saved by the hundreds and declare it is all condemned by God who bans women from doing such things. You would try to make people think that your God is one who on the day of judgment would say to the woman pastor who planted a church and was instrumental in hundreds being saved in a community as a result that her works were wood, hay and stubble because she was a woman. We don't serve the same God if that is your view of yours.
God is displeased with anything that strays from His teaching, regardless of how good one may think it sounds.
 

awelight

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I am going out on a limb here but I am going to guess that if you do a survey that you will find that more authors of commentaries will say that Paul was meaning that "if" an elder is married he must have one wife. Not two or more. Not that he MUST be married.
So using your logic if the majority of commentaries agree that he did not mean the elder or deacon MUST be married and MUST have children then shouldn't that suggest to you that you might be wrong.
I don't no where you got that from. I never stated that an eligible preacher had to be married. If he is married, then only of one wife.
 

Dino246

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... apostle Peter was also unmarried (the Spirit would never rip families apart like that, sending fathers and husbands away from their family), and Jesus told Peter "feed my sheep". A person that pastures the sheep is definitely a PASTOR. So there.
Actually, Peter was married. See Matthew 8:14 and 1 Corinthians 9:5. ;)
 

Dino246

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God is displeased with anything that strays from His teaching, regardless of how good one may think it sounds.
The "God" card, again. Has it occurred to you that your admonition works against you as well? You must have your doctrine absolutely perfect in order to avoid God's displeasure.

smh...
 

awelight

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The "God" card, again. Has it occurred to you that your admonition works against you as well? You must have your doctrine absolutely perfect in order to avoid God's displeasure.

smh...
Actually, you are correct. If I am mishandling God's Word, then He is not pleased. I pray every time I sit down to type on this post, that I will handle His Word correctly and bring Glory to His Matchless Name. I also fully, expect to only be appreciated by a few.
 

Dino246

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Actually, you are correct. If I am mishandling God's Word, then He is not pleased. I pray every time I sit down to type on this post, that I will handle His Word correctly and bring Glory to His Matchless Name. I also fully, expect to only be appreciated by a few.
Ah, so you probably believe that the parable of the sheep and goats is Jesus dividing the Church.
 

SoulWeaver

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Your conclusions on my post are nothing short of ridiculous. They show gross feminine bias, in your tone and conclusions. You still have shown no Scripture to prove a point other than the one made. I maybe the sole voice of reason here but that bothers me little. Let all that hate these commandments pile on together. Your last questions deserve no answer.
"feminine bias"
I just can't :LOL::ROFL::ROFL:
I fairly asked you is this what you believe, that people in a church with a woman preacher are not saved or mostly not saved and just think they have the Holy Spirit? You said yea such church is dead, so you concurred, allowing for "a few sheep" to have been "caught in the situation" (thus the others in that church aren't sheep). Then call me biased when I reiterate your own belief to you?
 

CS1

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Correct I do not find any of the apostles pastoring churches. God called them as apostles not pastors. God has the authority to accomplish His will.

Now if a single man desires to be an evangelist that is a good thing. No women are evangelists.

Now if one pastors a church without the call of God then all the admonitions from scripture need not apply.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
lol an apostle is "one who is sent" what they do? They are also called ' Messenger " they can do the work of evangelist , and a pastor. once they setup they have pastor Shepard the fellowship. And any one can do the work of an evangelist
 

SoulWeaver

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Because many of those women believe it would be risking God's displeasure to ban women from ministry of the Word of God.
And we don't understand why others don't see that.

It comes down to interpretation of scripture which is effected by your theological view of God and your relationship with Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit. We wonder how anyone filled with the Holy Spirit would forbid a woman from preaching, and prophesying. Or pastoring if she believed she was following God.

If a woman plants a church and people come and get saved who are you to say that God will be displeased? I think he would be more displeased with your comment than with the woman pastor getting people saved and planting a church where there was none there before.

Use the common sense God gave you. God did not create a rule banning women from preaching the word when men are present and which they are just supposed to obey because he said so. That is not what happened. Your explanation of it should be a red flag that you made a mistake in identifying authorial intent. The Holy Spirit and Paul never said that.

You would have God displeased with a female planting a church in a place where one was needed and getting people saved by the hundreds and declare it is all condemned by God who bans women from doing such things. You would try to make people think that your God is one who on the day of judgment would say to the woman pastor who planted a church and was instrumental in hundreds being saved in a community as a result that her works were wood, hay and stubble because she was a woman. We don't serve the same God if that is your view of yours.
The people who oppose us on this thread believe that churches planted by biological women are dead churches, without Holy Spirit, and there only may be "a few sheep caught in the situation" who will quickly make exit to find a male pastor.

Yes, as I said this would be a dead church. That does not mean that a few sheep might not be caught in this temporary situation but the Spirit will enlighten them, through the Scriptures and they will come out from there.
 

Dino246

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Fair point, I missed this, what about Paul? He was an overseer and said himself to be single.
Paul was apparently single. 1 Corinthians 7:7 seems to imply that he was not married. There certainly is nothing in Scripture saying that he was married. :)
 

Magenta

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Fair point, I missed this, what about Paul? He was an overseer and said himself to be single.
Paul was apparently single. 1 Corinthians 7:7 seems to imply that he was not married.
There certainly is nothing in Scripture saying that he was married. :)
Paul could have been married at one point, and and a widower.

Some think this due to 1 Cor 7:8 :)

Now to the unmarried and the widows I say: It is good for them to stay unmarried, as I do.

There is nothing to confirm nor deny that he could have once been married.
 
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I don't no where you got that from. I never stated that an eligible preacher had to be married. If he is married, then only of one wife.
Probably crossed over which scriptures were were interpreting. Two lines of thought were going on in our previous discussions. Can a woman be a pastor based on the verses about an elder being a husband seemed to have taken the wrong turn in what Paul was trying to say. He was talking about being blameless and men have tried to say he was teaching that women will never be allowed. Then someone also was saying that not only must he be a man but he must be married and have children. I take issue with both of these ideas based on this verse. It is not conclusive that all women were banned just because Paul used these examples to explain what it meant to be blameless.
 
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Correct I do not find any of the apostles pastoring churches. God called them as apostles not pastors. God has the authority to accomplish His will.

Now if a single man desires to be an evangelist that is a good thing. No women are evangelists.

Now if one pastors a church without the call of God then all the admonitions from scripture need not apply.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
There have been many women evangelist in the history of the church and there still are today. Just imagine all those people saved from hearing a woman evangelist being in heaven one day and Roger saying. I don't approve, because she is a woman, not allowed, against the rules, and God would say. "is that really who you think I am?"
 

SoulWeaver

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Paul could have been married at one point, and and a widower.

Some think this due to 1 Cor 7:8 :)

Now to the unmarried and the widows I say: It is good for them to stay unmarried, as I do.

There is nothing to confirm nor deny that he could have once been married.
I agree with your and dino's observations. Thanks.(y)
 
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Paul could have been married at one point, and and a widower.

Some think this due to 1 Cor 7:8 :)

Now to the unmarried and the widows I say: It is good for them to stay unmarried, as I do.

There is nothing to confirm nor deny that he could have once been married.
True in a sense. I would basically agree with you here, with some added information.

Paul was a member of the Sanhedrin (as one 'in training', raised at the feet of Gamaliel; Acts 22:3), and all members of the Sanhedrin had to be married according to OT stipulations and even Rabbinical ones, since they were the 'Elders' of the Nation, along with the High Priest (who also had to be married).

What Paul was during and or after such, scripture is not explicit here. Yet, I find that too many use Paul as the 'out', the excuse, the model of standard for roles of "Deacon" and "Elder/Bishop", when Paul held no such offices, though called "an Apostle", as one sent forth to the Gentiles by Jesus Christ and not made so by men:

Gal_1:1 Paul, an apostle, (not of men, neither by man, but by Jesus Christ, and God the Father, who raised him from the dead;)

So, even if Paul were single, or remained single throughout, this cannot be used as a standard or foundation of measurement for the offices of "Deacon" and "Elder/Bishop", when Paul specifically wrote 1 Timothy 3, and so many other texts on the subject.

Some attempt to cite Philemon 1:9 to say that Paul was an "Elder/Bishop", but the text refer to "age" and not "office":

Phm 1:9 Yet for love's sake I rather beseech thee, being such an one as Paul the aged, and now also a prisoner of Jesus Christ.​

Paul spoke of his old age, not an ordained office in this context.

So, let none of us abuse Paul as the foundational example, even if I were to grant he was an exception to the rule of 1 Timothy 3 (though I do not grant such).

The example from Genesis to Revelation in matters of leadership of church authority/offices are married males with children, in every single case.

Anyways, I am bowing out of this thread. It is becoming toxic, and has far strayed from the intent of the OP. If persons need further examples of what I refer to, please simply contact me.
 
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The people who oppose us on this thread believe that churches planted by biological women are dead churches, without Holy Spirit, and there only may be "a few sheep caught in the situation" who will quickly make exit to find a male pastor.
He does not get out much. Especially not world wide. Women are being used by God to shake the world and millions are being saved. It is only going to increase...
17“‘And in the last days it shall be, God declares,
that I will pour out my Spirit on all flesh,
and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy,
and your young men shall see visions,
and your old men shall dream dreams;
18even on my male servants and female servants
in those days I will pour out my Spirit, and they shall prophesy.