Where does Satan have the courage to fight against the invincible God

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soberxp

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Where does Satan have the courage to fight against the invincible God

Genesis 3:14-15
King James Version
14 And the Lord God said unto the serpent, Because thou hast done this, thou art cursed above all cattle, and above every beast of the field; upon thy belly shalt thou go, and dust shalt thou eat all the days of thy life:

15 And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.

Psalm 33:9
King James Version
9 For he spake, and it was done; he commanded, and it stood fast.

First of all, does God prophesy or command the serpent ?

Is Satan just following order/command from creator?

The Bible says the serpent is a liar of father.
Lying needs motivation and reason,isn't it?

Genesis 3:1
But the serpent is more crafty than all the living creatures of the field, which the LORD God has made.

Genesis 3:4
4 And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die:

not sure:undefined

It is often mentioned in the Bible that you should not tempt your God.

In Genesis, I guess The serpent was testing God's power.I think the reason is the serpent's tone"not sure".I guess The serpent wants to know What is the power of God who made it.Lying needs motivation and reason,isn't it?

When Jesus fasted for 40 days, Satan asked him, can you turn a stone into food?

Luke 11:11
11 If a son shall ask bread of any of you that is a father, will he give him a stone? or if he ask a fish, will he for a fish give him a serpent?

I feel like The serpent think he will get a stone when he ask food.After all, God is the father/creator of The serpent, isn't he?
putting all these clues together,
I feel like the serpent has a strong desire to survive.

Jesus told us love your enemy,Even though it did something irreparable.
Everyone have curiosity, right?
And everyone who makes a mistake will blame others as The mistake is made by others.It seems that the serpent is no exception.remember Job,the serpent always want to throw problems at humans in front of god,and seems that bad things have nothing to do with him/The serpent.It's like we always feel we don't know something between god and Satan.Now it feels like God was educating children/Satan.

Although most Christians will say I sin or die because of the serpent.also says that we have free will.

Is human crime/sin today really caused by invisible forces by Satan?

Do you also want to throw your mistakes to the serpent?

Back to the previous topic

First of all, does God prophesy or command the serpent ?

Is Satan just following order/command from creator?
 

JaumeJ

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At first the Devil wanted to raise his throne above the Most High, he was arrogant.

He was cast out of heaven and now exercises influence up to the third heaven. I have no idea what that is, but because of faith I believe it is so.

If you read in Revelation, you will find that towards the end of what we call time, this age, the Devil will be drunk on the blood of the saints and think he can win against God. It is all workded out and explained, providing it is read.
 

soberxp

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Psalm 33:9
King James Version
9 For he spake, and it was done; he commanded, and it stood fast.

I mean, what do you think of Genesis 3:14-15.
The Genesis 3:14-15 is a prophesy, or
The Genesis 3:14-15 is a command.

Is Satan just following order/command from creator?

It is obvious that enmity has been put between you and Satan.

Think and answer my question first.
Then think about how to make Satan headache,And how does Satan hurt your heel.
 

soberxp

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1 Corinthians 10:9-10
King James Version
9 Neither let us tempt Christ, as some of them also tempted, and were destroyed of serpents.

10 Neither murmur ye, as some of them also murmured, and were destroyed of the destroyer.
 

Blik

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The head demon, the devil, was a beautiful angel at one time. He decided he was just as good as God and people should worship him.

It is a lesson to us to be humble before the Lord, and always learn from the holy spirit and the word.
 
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Lucifer, bearer of light. He wanted to be known as the light since we wouldn't know the difference. God desired to reveal Himself and unite Himself fully to mankind. Lucifer attempted to force his desire to be God in the sight of our first parents. His desire remains to this day to replace God in our sight.
 

oyster67

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Do you also want to throw your mistakes to the serpent?
Sure I do, but that is not what happened. I was a sinner just like me old Grandapapa Adam. Humble Confession and Repentance is required and is not a one time thing. Although I am not a sinner now, it still happens from time to time. Paul goes to great lengths to explain this in Romans 7&8.
 

soberxp

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Sure I do, but that is not what happened. I was a sinner just like me old Grandapapa Adam. Humble Confession and Repentance is required and is not a one time thing. Although I am not a sinner now, it still happens from time to time. Paul goes to great lengths to explain this in Romans 7&8.
Good quote Romans 7&8
After God drove Adam and Eve out of the garden of Eden,god also gives us the ability to have children, Give birth to life as The Salvation.I know that's part of the salvation plan from god.This should have been homework for learning The meaning of life.But it's also a breeding ground for sin as lust.The homework which was ordained to life, actually made us die.
Confucius said:Lewdness is the worst of all sins,Filial piety is the most important of all virtues.
Romans 7:24-25
King James Version
24 O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?

25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.
 

soberxp

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I don't know anything about Lucifer. Most of the time, I read the Bible by myself, combining with some common biblical knowledge.
Does Lucifer's statement come from the book of Enoch?
I read Enoch in detail yesterday. Rebellious angels and serpent are not the same thing.
After reading Enoch, I feel that the book is true.But why do people borrow the story of Enoch and write their own version of Lucifer.
 

Adstar

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Where does Satan have the courage to fight against the invincible God

Genesis 3:14-15
King James Version
14 And the Lord God said unto the serpent, Because thou hast done this, thou art cursed above all cattle, and above every beast of the field; upon thy belly shalt thou go, and dust shalt thou eat all the days of thy life:

15 And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.

Psalm 33:9
King James Version
9 For he spake, and it was done; he commanded, and it stood fast.

First of all, does God prophesy or command the serpent ?

Is Satan just following order/command from creator?

The Bible says the serpent is a liar of father.
Lying needs motivation and reason,isn't it?

Genesis 3:1
But the serpent is more crafty than all the living creatures of the field, which the LORD God has made.

Genesis 3:4
4 And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die:

not sure:undefined

It is often mentioned in the Bible that you should not tempt your God.

In Genesis, I guess The serpent was testing God's power.I think the reason is the serpent's tone"not sure".I guess The serpent wants to know What is the power of God who made it.Lying needs motivation and reason,isn't it?

When Jesus fasted for 40 days, Satan asked him, can you turn a stone into food?

Luke 11:11
11 If a son shall ask bread of any of you that is a father, will he give him a stone? or if he ask a fish, will he for a fish give him a serpent?

I feel like The serpent think he will get a stone when he ask food.After all, God is the father/creator of The serpent, isn't he?
putting all these clues together,
I feel like the serpent has a strong desire to survive.

Jesus told us love your enemy,Even though it did something irreparable.
Everyone have curiosity, right?
And everyone who makes a mistake will blame others as The mistake is made by others.It seems that the serpent is no exception.remember Job,the serpent always want to throw problems at humans in front of god,and seems that bad things have nothing to do with him/The serpent.It's like we always feel we don't know something between god and Satan.Now it feels like God was educating children/Satan.

Although most Christians will say I sin or die because of the serpent.also says that we have free will.

Is human crime/sin today really caused by invisible forces by Satan?
We inherit the curse of sin and so we sin..

Do you also want to throw your mistakes to the serpent?
Please speak in plain clear speech not in vague terminology "" throw your mistakes"" How can one throw something that has no physical form? Yeah i know this is not what you mean but why not talk in clear terms so people don't have to decipher jargon??

Back to the previous topic

First of all, does God prophesy or command the serpent ?
Prophesy = deliver a message from God..

So your question is actually saying does God deliver a message from God to the serpent? this makes no sense.. Again you are not talking in plain speech..

Second part of the question: Does God command satan.. God does place certain limits to what satan can do.. This restraint is mentioned in the Bible..


Is Satan just following order/command from creator?
He is ding what God allows him to do.. So is not able to do anything He wants..
 

JaumeJ

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Satan is the only one created without fear of God.
 

soberxp

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We inherit the curse of sin and so we sin..



Please speak in plain clear speech not in vague terminology "" throw your mistakes"" How can one throw something that has no physical form? Yeah i know this is not what you mean but why not talk in clear terms so people don't have to decipher jargon??



Prophesy = deliver a message from God..

So your question is actually saying does God deliver a message from God to the serpent? this makes no sense.. Again you are not talking in plain speech..

Second part of the question: Does God command satan.. God does place certain limits to what satan can do.. This restraint is mentioned in the Bible..




He is ding what God allows him to do.. So is not able to do anything He wants..
Psalm 33:9
King James Version
9 For he spake, and it was done; he commanded, and it stood fast.

I mean, what do you think of Genesis 3:14-15.
The Genesis 3:14-15 is a prophesy, or
The Genesis 3:14-15 is a command.

If you think that is command,
Is Satan just following order/command from creator?

if Satan could following command from creator , How about US ?
 

Adstar

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Psalm 33:9
King James Version
9 For he spake, and it was done; he commanded, and it stood fast.

I mean, what do you think of Genesis 3:14-15.
The Genesis 3:14-15 is a prophesy, or
The Genesis 3:14-15 is a command.

If you think that is command,
Is Satan just following order/command from creator?

if Satan could following command from creator , How about US ?
3:14 is not a command or a prophecy.. More like a judgement / punishment..

3:15 is a Prophecy..

I stand by my former reply.. Satan is allowed by God to do some things.. But is restrained from doing all the things satan wants to do..

The false teaching that some people push and have is that satan is 100% controlled by God and God forced him to rebel and play the role He has played since the time of creation.. This is not truth.. Satan by his own free will rebeled against God and has been doing his best since that time to stake as many beings with him to where his eternal destination shall be.. The Lake of Fire..
 

soberxp

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3:14 is not a command or a prophecy.. More like a judgement / punishment..

3:15 is a Prophecy..

I stand by my former reply.. Satan is allowed by God to do some things.. But is restrained from doing all the things satan wants to do..

The false teaching that some people push and have is that satan is 100% controlled by God and God forced him to rebel and play the role He has played since the time of creation.. This is not truth.. Satan by his own free will rebeled against God and has been doing his best since that time to stake as many beings with him to where his eternal destination shall be.. The Lake of Fire..
what if the lake of fire is a pic which made by me? ; )
I made a picture long time ago,maybe 2002 years.
Inadvertently used the symbol of Satanism, goat and Pentagram patterns which is on a tombstone in the magma.
At that time, I didn't believe in Jesus and I didn't know Satan.
 

Journeyman

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The transgression of the wicked saith within my heart, that there is no fear of God before his eyes. Psa.36:1

But evil doers hide, because they fear judgement. Those who hurt others are not brave. They're cowards. Demons tremble, because they know what's coming.