Calvinists are preaching a false message .

A child does not have to believe the adoption process in order to be adopted. The child does not choose their adopting parent, the adopting parent chooses them. You need to re-read the scriptures and get them to harmonize.

God predestined those that he choose before the foundation of the world, Eph 1:4, which is the first step in the process of adoption. The second step is to pay the legal fees, which Christ did on the cross. securing them a home in heaven. The third step is to bring them home, which will be done at the last day.

All of God's elect people are born into this world as totally depraved due to Adam's sin. Sometime in their lives God quickens them to a spiritual life with the indwelling of the Holy Spirit.

The "seal",=stamp of authority, is placed upon the Holy Spirit that they already have, as an earnest of their inheritance.

2 Cor 1:21-22, Now he which stablisheth us with you in Christ, and hath anointed us, is God; who hath also "sealed" us, and given the earnest of the Spirit in our hearts.

John 3:27 John answered and said, A man can receive nothing, except it be given him from heaven.

You are correct. It couldn't be any more simple.

Those who repent were given repentance from heaven.

Those who do not repent were not given repentance from heaven. Otherwise, they would be among those who repent....


It is something to marvel at when people TALK about the Christian faith but then show they have no understanding of it. Don't you know that it was God who Saved you? You were not ABLE. That's why you needed to be SAVED.

Saved from what??? What is it that people need to be saved from?

Matthew 1:27 And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name Jesus: for he shall save his people from their sins.

expand...John 3:27 John answered and said, A man can receive nothing, except it be given him from heaven.

Notice when this is said . What has not been given after this is said? . Calvinists never notice the timelines.

Yes, he did, Abraham was accounted as being RIGHTEOUS because he BELIEVED God, go read Galatians 3 real careful, its not saying, like many think, that we all became ONE IN God per se, it is Paul telling the Galatians, WHO HAS BEWITCHED YOU, that you starting ou on the Spirit are now trending towards the flesh (meaning they were trying to become Jews or gain rep-redemption via the practices of the Jewish customs). So when Paul says, there is neither Greek nor Jew, Male nor Female, he doesn't;t really mean there is not males and females OR not Jews and Greeks/Gentiles, what he means is you Galatians do not have to become Jews to be of God, we are all of God nit by our lineage, but by FAITH ALONE. Thus by FAITH ALONE in the Promise, Abraham was made righteous, BEFORE Jesus even died on the cross brother. Go read Galatians chapter 3, and NOTICE THIS BELOW: (it's beautiful)

The Covenant was NOT the Law of Moses, it was ALWAYS the PROMISE: Th Law came 430 years later, thus Abraham was dead by then.

Gal. 3:16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.

17 And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect.

Paul is saying here, Amen, that the LAW which came 430 years after THE PROMISE, can not VOID the Promise, or the original covenant, wh9ch was the Promise of a Seed to wipe away our sins.

There really is no new covenant, but since all the Jews knew was the Law of Moses, they had to be told it was a New Covenant, but basically, the Promise of Jesus was the original Covenant.

So, men were forgiven via their FAITH before Jesus ever died on the cross, it's our FAITH in God to supply that sacrifice that is transcending. Abraham was going to sacrifice his own son, but God provided a sacrifice. Abraham believed God would raise his son back to life if need be.

Same book same people ( Their sins )
Matthew 15:24
“But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.”
A calvinist is not taught to simply read and notice who its speaking about and at what time, nor what changes . A calvinist is happy with being spoon fed the A,B,C s of systematic theology.

The first heaven, 【thirtyfold】
work of The law. (act and believe in god)
The second heaven, 【sixtyfold】
work of faith. (believe Jesus with mouth and heart)
The third heaven,【hundredfold】
work of holy spirit.(spiritual mind)

The second heaven is spiritual to the first heaven,The first heaven still bloody.
The third heaven is spiritual to The second heaven.The second heaven still flesh.

Do you understand that "the house of Israel" is made up of God's people, and is actually the "house of Jacob",Gen 28:33. The "lost sheep" are regenerated babes in Christ that are still feeding on the milk of the word, and are in need of the meat of the word to grow to maturity enough, by being preached the gospel, to come unto a knowledge of the truth.

Save, Saved and Salvation, according to Greek means, deliver, delivered, deliverance.

Born again babes in Christ are delivered from their ignorance of the gospel when they come unto a knowledge of the truth.

Isaiah 28:9-10, Whom shall he teach knowledge? and whom shall he make to understand doctrine? them that are weaned from the milk, and drawn from the breasts. For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept, line upon line, line upon line, here a little, and there a little.

You're right. Sinners can reconsider their bad decisions, like the prodigal son.

I guess there is just no reason for "a calvinist" to chop up the bible and tear pages out that "a calvinist" thinks doesn't apply.

the problem is not the "Calvinist" the issue is "Calvinism". Just like pentecostalism. The "ism" is the issue . When you elitizes the word of God to make authoritative parts of the word of God to use in a legalistic way is a biblical error.

"Elect" the chosen is a biblical teaching. BUT when you focus (man) on what God has chosen over obeying what God said for you to do, you have taken your eye off the ball. The argument has always been eternal security which is Biblical and " IF you abide in me" of those who chosen to walk away from God n willful disobedience, which the word of God shows us can and has happened.

I believe that genuine believers are eternally secure in Christ. I believe that a genuine believer in Christ would never desire to be unsaved and return to a condemned state. I believe that Christ will not lose any who are His. If one "walks away" they were never His. Many profess that which they do not possess.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

The idea that Christ loses one who chooses to walk away is opinionated. Christ doesn't lose any yet those who can and do walk away HE fully knew they would. Man can't call that a loss when God foreknew the ending. Jesus said you must abide and obey.

those in the "ism" see that as a dog whistle you are saying " salvation by works" which it is not.

By "walking away". do you mean committing a sin?, if so, do you claim that you never sin?

I may be a little thick between the ears, but could you explain to me what you mean by "walking away". Do you mean committing a sin?

The scriptures show us one can walk away from the faith. God doesn't force one to be in fellowship with HIM. that is what the term Apostacy means read 2pet 2:20-22
and many other passages

Jesus is Jesus is ' elect ' . Israel is ' elect ' . its ' service ' purpose ect .

Jesus is " Elect'? Jesus is the Elector and has always been Jesus is eternal we were created Jesus was not.

The problem is all 5 points of the calvinist worldview are false.

Would not say all points are false. Debatable yes.

1. T Total Depravity
2. U Unconditional Election
3. L Limited Atonement
4. I Irresistible Grace
5. P Perseverance of the Saints

Green I agree Blue debatable red I disagree