Civil war coming to America?

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In the event of a coup or a takeover, would you take up arms to restore lawful authority to America?

  • Yes. I would take up arms until every last traitor was rounded up and put on trial.

    Votes: 4 13.8%
  • Yes, but in a limited manner. I would take up arms to protect my community from traitors.

    Votes: 1 3.4%
  • No, I would not take up arms, unless my family was directly threatened.

    Votes: 6 20.7%
  • No, I would not take up arms. All forms of killing are sin.

    Votes: 3 10.3%
  • Other. The above actions do not properly describe the action I would take.

    Votes: 15 51.7%

  • Total voters
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SophieT

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Foreclosure crisis? What foreclosure crisis? Nothing to see there since Obama dismissed it.

POLITICS
Obama Failed to Mitigate America's Foreclosure Crisis
The country’s first black president contributed to a significant disintegration of wealth for people of color.
DAVID DAYENDECEMBER 14, 2016

KEVIN LAMARQUE / REUTERS
This article is part of a series of responses to Ta-Nehisi Coates’s story “My President Was Black.” You can read other responses to the story here.
In My President Was Black, Ta-Nehisi Coates ably documents the material and representational advances of the past eight years. But any rendering of Barack Obama’s legacy is incomplete without including his failure to arrest the foreclosure crisis, or to hold anyone accountable for the widespread damage it inflicted.

oh and just a side note? Obama was as much white as he was black. Let's cut the nonsense.

I agree with Coates that “there is nothing mere about symbols,” and Obama’s meaning to black America looms large. But that achievement must contend with Obama’s culpability for the greatest disintegration of black wealth in recent memory.

If Obama ever reads this critique, I suspect he’d mutter under his breath, as he disclosed to Coates he does habitually when confronted with activist demands. “Where I got frustrated at times was the belief that the president can do anything if he just decides he wants to do it,” Obama grumbles.
Nothing is sadder than a man who disclaims his power to preserve his reputation. The presidency is subject to countless veto points and constraints, but the foreclosure disaster was unique; Congress had already given the incoming president the authority to act.
Obama the candidate ran on allowing bankruptcy judges to cut balances on primary mortgages; Obama’s administration actively whipped against the policy. Obama’s transition team earmarked up to $100 billion in funds appropriated through Bush’s bank bailout to mitigate foreclosures; eight years later only around $21 billion has been spent. Obama the president promised 4 million mortgage modifications; to date less than a million have been successfully achieved.

No Republican sign-off was necessary for Obama’s Home Affordable Modification Program (HAMP). The Treasury Department alone decided to run it through mortgage companies that had financial incentives to foreclose rather than modify loans. Treasury never saw the program as a relief vehicle, but a way to “foam the runway” for the banks, allowing them to absorb inevitable foreclosures more slowly. Homeowners were the foam being crushed by a jumbo jet in that scenario, squeezed for as many payments as possible before ultimately losing their homes.
 
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SophieT

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#82
Nothing is sadder than a man who disclaims his power to preserve his reputation. The presidency is subject to countless veto points and constraints, but the foreclosure disaster was unique; Congress had already given the incoming president the authority to act.
Obama the candidate ran on allowing bankruptcy judges to cut balances on primary mortgages; Obama’s administration actively whipped against the policy. Obama’s transition team earmarked up to $100 billion in funds appropriated through Bush’s bank bailout to mitigate foreclosures; eight years later only around $21 billion has been spent. Obama the president promised 4 million mortgage modifications; to date less than a million have been successfully achieved.

Lest we forget....:unsure:
 

Lisamn

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Believe as you will, but from an economics point of view Trump's tax cuts
on corporate profits incentivized offshoring for some types of production and it also raised after-tax profits causing a surge in the American dollar.
Overvaluation of the American dollar counters any attempt to reshore American manufacturing.
Tax cuts means that companies can afford to give raises, hire more people and expand. It is a win/win for the companies and employees.

I think a problem really is that Americans want high wages and that makes it hard to produce in America. So, Americans have to do other jobs that will pay those wages than want to live large off McDonald’s. That just kills those jobs as then the employer can’t pay those types of wages or they hire more and give less hours which doesn’t help anyone.

What doesn’t help American companies is all the regulations. I want to open a business but in it I will have to have 4 sinks!! 4 sinks!! That’s crazy to me. Business owners know exactly how much the government interferes with business...they think they are owed some of someone’s hard work.
 
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KT88

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#84
They crashed...when Obama became president..
The crash happened during the G.W. Bush administration, Obama inherited that. I don't know where you get your information, it's not from any factual source
 
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EleventhHour

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#85
Tax cuts means that companies can afford to give raises, hire more people and expand. It is a win/win for the companies and employees.
If economics was that easy there would never be a down turn in the economy.
Reagan would be proud.
 
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SophieT

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#86
The crash happened during the G.W. Bush administration, Obama inherited that. I don't know where you get your information, it's not from any factual source
And totally mismanaged it. Made it worse with thousands losing their homes.

Denial does not serve any purpose as the other posts regarding Obama's mismanagement shows. Further, he even tried to bail out Wall Street. Cause he was the people's president. Well no. Actually, he was an underqualified community organizer.

Nothing is sadder than a man who disclaims his power to preserve his reputation. The presidency is subject to countless veto points and constraints, but the foreclosure disaster was unique; Congress had already given the incoming president the authority to act.

Obama the candidate ran on allowing bankruptcy judges to cut balances on primary mortgages; Obama’s administration actively whipped against the policy. Obama’s transition team earmarked up to $100 billion in funds appropriated through Bush’s bank bailout to mitigate foreclosures; eight years later only around $21 billion has been spent. Obama the president promised 4 million mortgage modifications; to date less than a million have been successfully achieved.


No Republican sign-off was necessary for Obama’s Home Affordable Modification Program (HAMP). The Treasury Department alone decided to run it through mortgage companies that had financial incentives to foreclose rather than modify loans. Treasury never saw the program as a relief vehicle, but a way to “foam the runway” for the banks, allowing them to absorb inevitable foreclosures more slowly. Homeowners were the foam being crushed by a jumbo jet in that scenario, squeezed for as many payments as possible before ultimately losing their homes.
 

Lisamn

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If economics was that easy there would never be a down turn in the economy.
Reagan would be proud.
Economics is that easy....

The crash happened during the G.W. Bush administration, Obama inherited that. I don't know where you get your information, it's not from any factual source
Lol..its easy to blame then fix things. Obama/Biden didn’t fix anything but allowed things to get worse...their policies didn’t just go into affect with trump and that gave us maga. It only took trump a year or so to maga...obama never could.
 
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SophieT

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Into the Maw
How Obama-era economics failed us.
By Ryan Cooper
APRIL 6, 2020

From left: Larry Summers, Christina Romer, Timothy Geithner, Barack Obama, Ben Bernanke, and Sheila Bair at the white House in 2009. (Mandel Ngan / Getty)

When Barack Obama took office, he faced the biggest combination of crisis and opportunity that any incoming president had since Franklin Delano Roosevelt. In 1932 the Great Depression had ravaged the country and was only getting worse. Even as he prepared to move into the White House, a fresh wave of banking panic swept through the nation, and it was clear that if Roosevelt was to save American democracy, he needed to put forward a sweeping set of reforms, which is exactly what he did via two major rounds of policy initiatives in 1933 and 1935.
BOOKS IN REVIEW
FIREFIGHTING: THE FINANCIAL CRISIS AND ITS LESSONS
By Ben S. Bernanke, Timothy F. Geithner, and Henry M. Paulson Jr.
Buy this book
A CRISIS WASTED: BARACK OBAMA’S DEFINING DECISIONS
By Reed Hundt
Buy this book
In 2008, Obama faced a similar crisis: The economy was in free fall, and the financial system was gripped by panic. Unemployment had not yet come anywhere close to Depression levels, but like FDR, Obama had the opportunity—even the mandate—to enact far-reaching reforms. Unfortunately, he did not use this opportunity. Faced with a shattering economic breakdown, Obama and his key advisers largely sought to restore the wobbly precrisis status quo, inaugurating a decade of economic stagnation and dislocation that culminated in the election of Donald Trump.
The story of Obama’s missed opportunity to fix the rot in the American economy is frequently noted by the left, but it is also the subject of two recent books written mainly by Obama administration insiders—A Crisis Wasted: Barack Obama’s Defining Decisions, by Reed Hundt, who worked on Obama’s transition team, and Firefighting: The Financial Crisis and Its Lessons, by Ben Bernanke, Tim Geithner, and Henry Paulson (the former Goldman Sachs chairman and CEO who served as George W. Bush’s treasury secretary). The former is a brutal and devastating indictment of Obama’s strategic missteps as he confronted the crisis, while the latter attempts an apologia for the Bush-Obama crisis management strategy that inadvertently confirms Hundt’s key points. What both books show is that Obama and his administration burned up most of their political capital rescuing the banks from a crisis caused by their own mistakes, and they offer us a warning about doing the same thing again as we face yet another potentially disastrous recession.


well oops :cautious:
 
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SophieT

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What do you post when you cannot reply because the truth reveals...well, the truth, and not the lie you wish to present?

You make this face:


a virtual 'no comment'
 
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KT88

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#91
Lol..its easy to blame then fix things. Obama/Biden didn’t fix anything but allowed things to get worse...their policies didn’t just go into affect with trump and that gave us maga. It only took trump a year or so to maga...obama never could.
You are affixing blame to Pres. Obama for a crash that happened before he took office. You ignore graphs of economic growth and the fall in unemployment rate. This is denial of realities.
 

Lisamn

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You are affixing blame to Pres. Obama for a crash that happened before he took office. You ignore graphs of economic growth and the fall in unemployment rate. This is denial of realities.
I said he didn’t fix it when he was president for 8 years...but wants to take credit for someone else’s work when he’s no longer president.

I didn’t ignore the fall in the unemployment rate..you didn’t read that graph correctly. Its good that the unemployment rate fell...more people had jobs.
 
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KT88

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What do you post when you cannot reply because the truth reveals...well, the truth, and not the lie you wish to present?'
What you are presenting is one sided and ignores the fact that Mitch McConnell hamstrung Pres. Obama's efforts as he's been doing with the covid relief. Mitch only looks out for the wealthy and that's what happened during that stimulus period.
 

Lisamn

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What you are presenting is one sided and ignores the fact that Mitch McConnell hamstrung Pres. Obama's efforts as he's been doing with the covid relief. Mitch only looks out for the wealthy and that's what happened during that stimulus period.
Its always someone else’s or something‘s fault..but never Obama’s.
 
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KT88

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I didn’t ignore the fall in the unemployment rate..you didn’t read that graph correctly. Its good that the unemployment rate fell...more people had jobs.
How "you didn’t read that graph correctly'? There is only one way to read, the way it's presented:

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KT88

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#97
Its always someone else’s or something‘s fault..but never Obama’s.
I'm not saying he did a perfect job, there were many factors involved in the "deal". Any president has to deal with both the house and the senate.

In my opinion they should have let the banks sink with the crisis they created due to deregulation brought in by the previous GOP gov. They didn't deserve a a bail out. They got off far too easily.
 

Lisamn

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How "you didn’t read that graph correctly'? There is only one way to read, the way it's presented:

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I was talking about the this one and how you said I didn’t read it correctly..when it was you

No he didn't, the economy was rising and unemployment rates were declining. The Graph from the whitehouse article you gave shows that:






U.S. Unemployment Rate Falls to 50-Year Low

The Trump Administration’s pro-growth agenda provides job creators with the framework they need to expand their businesses and offer more opportunities for workers.
https://www.whitehouse.gov/articles/u-s-unemployment-rate-falls-50-year-low/

This is what the left has hated trump for....he was able to make America great again.
Wrong conclusion.

Ya..the unemployment rate did go up last year...happens when you close a country down and not let people work unhindered...the government again making things worse. I also can’t say its trumps fault...he wanted to reopen America but the local governments..governors and mayors wouldn’t.
 

Lisamn

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I'm not saying he did a perfect job, there were many factors involved in the "deal". Any president has to deal with both the house and the senate.

In my opinion they should have let the banks sink with the crisis they created due to deregulation brought in by the previous GOP gov. They didn't deserve a a bail out. They got off far too easily.
Lol...but everything is trumps fault...double standards.

The bailout was Obama’s fault.